No Reward for Being Right on Iraq

so muslim extremists are more violent on average, than christian ones? who gives a shit? they're both extreme and neither represents the vast majority of the faithful of their respective faiths. You need to talk to bravo about that so that you guys can maintain your united, mouths-firmly-planted-around-Dubya's-rectum position.

Still haven't answered my questions.
 
Second time you've said this, toots. I don't know what it means, I am not a cat, I have no tail.

I've asked you a question, and you aren't answering it.

Don't jackasses have tails? And I already answered your question.

No, unfortunately for you, I am not ignorant.

Yes, Dixie. You are ignorant. You are also opinionated, obstinate, obtuse, and fucking crazy.
 
Don't jackasses have tails? And I already answered your question.

1.) You are not Rana.
2.) You haven't answered the question I posed to Rana.

Yes, Dixie. You are ignorant. You are also opinionated, obstinate, obtuse, and fucking crazy.

Let me reaffirm, it does not bother me that you apparently think calling me names is a substitute for valid debate points. I realize, in the retard center, this may be how you and other retards settle debates, but it doesn't work here.
 
Not what alqaeda does. There is a difference between "exploiting" the religion and "perverting" the religion. You and Rana are exploiting the religion, alqaeda perverts it. The KKK exploits the religion, Westboro perverts it.

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You're talking yourself in circles again.

The KKK uses the religion as a cover for their agenda, just as Al Qaeda does. There really isn't a difference here, Dixie. They are both extremist groups with a violent agenda, who hide behind religion.
 
You're talking yourself in circles again.

The KKK uses the religion as a cover for their agenda, just as Al Qaeda does. There really isn't a difference here, Dixie. They are both extremist groups with a violent agenda, who hide behind religion.

You're wrong again, Lummox... a familiar position for you!

Neither use religion as a cover for their agendas, their agendas are right out there in the wide open for everyone to see. The KKK exploits Christianity to promote it's agenda. No Christian denomination recognizes them, and they are not recognized as a Christian organization. alQaeda perverts the teachings of Islam to advance their agenda. They are very much a part of the religion and a totally religious organization.

Now, I understand you think "nuance" is a fancy French facial cream, but it's actually something that applies here. It may be too much for us to expect an idiot like yourself to grasp.
 
1.) You are not Rana.
2.) You haven't answered the question I posed to Rana.

I've answered two questions here. And I'll call you "names" because the words are true. You are truly ignorant and the only argument you've won is inside your twisted mind.

The people of Iraq are in no better shape than they were ten years ago. The only difference is there was a different dictator in power and the population of the nation was about 300,000 greater.

Being a part of a religious sect trumps the name of whatever entity with borders you live within. That can change anytime and has through centuries.

Your religious identity doesn't.

This question wasn't addressed to Rana.

When was the last suicide bombing (or any type bombing) conducted by Westboro? When was the last time a Westboro follower sawed off someone's head, with or without praising God? When was the last time Westboro mutilated or stoned someone for not following the tenets of Christianity as they preached it?


I made my questions bolder and bigger so you could read them, I am still waiting for answers.


But I'll answer it.

That's not the Westboro MO. (Modus Operandi)

If you'd like proof of other Christian violence, see this post:

Tell that to General Laurent Nkunda, Mile Budak, or the Birom Christians of Nigeria who slaughtered and even ate the carcasses of Muslims.

 
You're wrong again, Lummox... a familiar position for you!

Neither use religion as a cover for their agendas, their agendas are right out there in the wide open for everyone to see. The KKK exploits Christianity to promote it's agenda. No Christian denomination recognizes them, and they are not recognized as a Christian organization. alQaeda perverts the teachings of Islam to advance their agenda. They are very much a part of the religion and a totally religious organization. .

See that latter, bolded part? You can say that about the KKK as well. There is no difference.

You're fabricating a difference, because you are trying to defend Christianity & impugn Islam. I see both religions the same, and hold neither responsible for their extremists.
 
The people of Iraq are in no better shape than they were ten years ago. The only difference is there was a different dictator in power and the population of the nation was about 300,000 greater.

Not only is this totally false, it is absurd beyond any reasonable belief. First of all, there is no dictator in Iraq, the people hold elections just like we do, and the president is elected as a result. They also elect a Parliament, and have a Constitution, which forms the basis for their laws. This wasn't the case under Saddam, he WAS the law. Under his regime, hundreds of thousands of Kurds were gassed to death, and there is no way of knowing how many Iraqi lives were saved by removing him from power. But the most glaring absurdity is, you are comparing a brutal tyrant dictator, known as "The Butcher of Baghdad," to functioning western-style Jeffersonian democracy. In your 'profound' opinion, these are "the same thing!"

Being a part of a religious sect trumps the name of whatever entity with borders you live within. That can change anytime and has through centuries.

Your religious identity doesn't.

No, your religion does not change the fact that you are an American living in the US. There are FAR more religions and religious sects in America than Iraq, and it has not caused any instability regarding our government or identity as a nation. We also need to go back to the statement I was addressing... "There is no nationalistic bond which binds "Iraqis" together." Yes, there is... being an Iraqi. The fact that there are differing religious views, has nothing to do with national identity.

This question wasn't addressed to Rana.

Nope, posed a different question to Rana, go read the thread.

But I'll answer it.

That's not the Westboro MO. (Modus Operandi)

If you'd like proof of other Christian violence, see this post:

The questions were pretty straightforward, and they didn't ask if this was Westboro's MO. The point was made that Westboro represents an extreme Christian view, as alQaeda represents an extreme Muslim view, and I acknowledged that, then asked a series of questions so we can compare the level of extremism. The point is, Christian extremists don't commit acts of terror in the name of God. Tribal Nigerian cannibals, notwithstanding.
 
Not only is this totally false, it is absurd beyond any reasonable belief. First of all, there is no dictator in Iraq, the people hold elections just like we do, and the president is elected as a result. They also elect a Parliament, and have a Constitution, which forms the basis for their laws. This wasn't the case under Saddam, he WAS the law. Under his regime, hundreds of thousands of Kurds were gassed to death, and there is no way of knowing how many Iraqi lives were saved by removing him from power. But the most glaring absurdity is, you are comparing a brutal tyrant dictator, known as "The Butcher of Baghdad," to functioning western-style Jeffersonian democracy. In your 'profound' opinion, these are "the same thing!"



No, your religion does not change the fact that you are an American living in the US. There are FAR more religions and religious sects in America than Iraq, and it has not caused any instability regarding our government or identity as a nation. We also need to go back to the statement I was addressing... "There is no nationalistic bond which binds "Iraqis" together." Yes, there is... being an Iraqi. The fact that there are differing religious views, has nothing to do with national identity.



Nope, posed a different question to Rana, go read the thread.



The questions were pretty straightforward, and they didn't ask if this was Westboro's MO. The point was made that Westboro represents an extreme Christian view, as alQaeda represents an extreme Muslim view, and I acknowledged that, then asked a series of questions so we can compare the level of extremism. The point is, Christian extremists don't commit acts of terror in the name of God. Tribal Nigerian cannibals, notwithstanding.

Eric Rudolph
 
See that latter, bolded part? You can say that about the KKK as well. There is no difference.

You're fabricating a difference, because you are trying to defend Christianity & impugn Islam. I see both religions the same, and hold neither responsible for their extremists.

No Lummox. You can't say that about the KKK, because they are not recognized by any Christian religious organization. There are no preachers or pastors out there promoting the agenda of the KKK. There are no Christian schools teaching the views of the KKK. There have been no Popes or Cardinals upholding and endorsing the violence of the KKK. No Christian-based religion supports the KKK in any way, and most Christians denounce their actions. This is NOT the case for alQaeda.
 
Let me reaffirm, it does not bother me that you apparently think calling me names is a substitute for valid debate points. I realize, in the retard center, this may be how you and other retards settle debates, but it doesn't work here.

Irony at its finest.
 
No Lummox. You can't say that about the KKK, because they are not recognized by any Christian religious organization. There are no preachers or pastors out there promoting the agenda of the KKK. There are no Christian schools teaching the views of the KKK. There have been no Popes or Cardinals upholding and endorsing the violence of the KKK. No Christian-based religion supports the KKK in any way, and most Christians denounce their actions. This is NOT the case for alQaeda.

So, you truly believe there are no churches that promote the agenda of the KKK? You are an idiot.
 
No, your religion does not change the fact that you are an American living in the US. There are FAR more religions and religious sects in America than Iraq, and it has not caused any instability regarding our government or identity as a nation. We also need to go back to the statement I was addressing... "There is no nationalistic bond which binds "Iraqis" together." Yes, there is... being an Iraqi. The fact that there are differing religious views, has nothing to do with national identity.

People in Iraq may, in fact, acknowledge that they are Iraqis... the difference being the importance they place upon that label and the strength of any "bond" created by that label.

I view myself as an American, first and foremost. Other allegiances - state, political party, branch of service - are secondary to my view of myself as a citizen of the United States.

Iraqis are family members first, clan members second, shiites or sunnis or kurds third, and "Iraqis" way down the list and any bond of sense of kinship with other Iraqis who are of a different religious sect is minuscule and irrelevant.
 
The people of Iraq are in no better shape than they were ten years ago. The only difference is there was a different dictator in power and the population of the nation was about 300,000 greater.

Being a part of a religious sect trumps the name of whatever entity with borders you live within. That can change anytime and has through centuries.

Your religious identity doesn't.

God. You're such a dumbfuck!~

When was the last suicide bombing (or any type bombing) conducted by Westboro? When was the last time a Westboro follower sawed off someone's head, with or without praising God? When was the last time Westboro mutilated or stoned someone for not following the tenets of Christianity as they preached it?


I made my questions bolder and bigger so you could read them, I am still waiting for answers.

Scott Roeder. Michael F. Griffin. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill. John Salvi. James Kopp.

So now Dixie's got like ten names from us and has miraculously disappeared!

 
People in Iraq may, in fact, acknowledge that they are Iraqis... the difference being the importance they place upon that label and the strength of any "bond" created by that label.

I view myself as an American, first and foremost. Other allegiances - state, political party, branch of service - are secondary to my view of myself as a citizen of the United States.

Iraqis are family members first, clan members second, shiites or sunnis or kurds third, and "Iraqis" way down the list and any bond of sense of kinship with other Iraqis who are of a different religious sect is minuscule and irrelevant.

They place a pretty large importance on it, because 70% of them are consistently showing up at the polls to hold Jeffersonian-style democratic elections, and have been doing so for a decade. When 70% of any population holds something universally important, it is certainly not miniscule or irrelevant. You may have wished it was going to turn out that way 10 years ago, but it hasn't. The country didn't devolve into Civil War as you so often predicted. You were WRONG!

Every day, the Iraqi Security Forces go out there and kill a few more terrorist thugs who want to destroy their new Arab Democracy, These ISF agents most certainly share a common objective and purpose as Iraqis. In fact, all the aspects of Jeffersonian-style democracy seem to be functioning normally in Iraq, people continue to seek political office, even after repeated assassinations and attempts...none of this sounds like people who don't give a shit. So your argument you once cherished so proudly and defiantly here, has fallen completely apart in ten years. Yet here you are again, attempting to throw it up and see if it flies one more time! Amazing!
 
I love how Dixie keeps repeating that predictions of a civil war were "WRONG!"

Dix, let me lay it out for you: the anti-war crowd was RIGHT, about every single friggin' thing. And you were as wrong as you could be, about Iraq and a good solid 8 gazillion things since Iraq started.

So, pipe down.
 
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