No Reward for Being Right on Iraq

maineman said:
Is the religion of Islam our enemy?

What enemy of ours was McVeigh fighting for? What enemy of ours was Holmes fighting for?
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Thats what ALL of the Islamist terrorists tell us in no uncertain terms....don't you believe them ?

McVeigh I already commented on and Holmes's insanity is obvious in his personality....unlike the Muslims, they claim no war on America for a god or political cause.
 
maineman said:
ah well... the argument that never ends...

let's just end it. let's just agree to disagree. you can continue to believe that shock, awe, invasion, conquest and occupation is the american way to spread democracy around the world, and I will continue to think otherwise. neither of us will be around in fifty years to see if our various predictions about the world at that time came true or not.
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Is this your latest strawmen bullshit when you've been schooled ....." shock, awe, invasion, conquest and occupation is the american way to spread democracy"

Lame at best....
 
NOVA said:
Thats what ALL of the Islamist terrorists tell us in no uncertain terms....don't you believe them ?

McVeigh I already commented on and Holmes's insanity is obvious in his personality....unlike the Muslims, they claim no war on America for a god or political cause.
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so, I take it then, that you must believe that the members of Westboro Baptist Church speak for all of Christendom?

and YOU were the one who brought Islam into this part of the discussion by misreading what I had written in a response specifically about McVeigh and Holmes.

moron.
 
NOVA said:
Is this your latest strawmen bullshit when you've been schooled ....." shock, awe, invasion, conquest and occupation is the american way to spread democracy"

Lame at best....
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excuse me.... but were those not the exact methods we used to bring Iraq into the fold of peace loving, kumbaya singing, multi-cultural democratic countries? If I am in error, please point out which one we did not use... shock? awe? invasion? conquest? occupation? do tell.
 
maineman said:
ah well... the argument that never ends...

let's just end it. let's just agree to disagree. you can continue to believe that shock, awe, invasion, conquest and occupation is the american way to spread democracy around the world, and I will continue to think otherwise. neither of us will be around in fifty years to see if our various predictions about the world at that time came true or not.
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Yeah, but we never "conquered and occupied" Iraq. We defeated the tyrant ruler's army, we toppled the regime, and we were present in Iraq until the people could establish a functional government and provide their own security. There is no other way to "plant democracy" other than to topple the tyrant leader, so that's what we did. We're not doing this all around the world, no one has EVER suggested we do so, that would be insane. We did it in Iraq because Iraq sits in the middle of radical Islam, and wiser men than us had decided that we need to fight that radical ideology with a counter-ideology.

No, this argument doesn't end in a draw. You lose and I win! Reason being, I have made my arguments and you've not refuted them, and you have made arguments that I've destroyed. You can continue to remain ignorant and cling to defeated arguments, but I can't do anything about that, Mainey.
 
maineman said:
Is the religion of Islam our enemy?

What enemy of ours was McVeigh fighting for? What enemy of ours was Holmes fighting for?
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The LEFT are the only ones who want to lump radical Islamists with peaceful Muslims, and claim the right is against them all. The problem I have, and others on the right have, is with RADICALISM of Islam. Can you people TRY to get that through your bigoted heads? No one is advocating we kill all the Muslims! No one is hating on Muslims as a whole! You continue to insinuate this is our position, and it's absurd.
 
semantic pretel logic. we invaded a sovereign nation, we conquered it, and our forces occupied it for nearly a decade. you can spin that anyway you'd like to.
 
in reply to #66, I would direct you to #61. maybe you need to have a talk with bravo and get him on the same page.
 
NOVA said:
Thats what ALL of the Islamist terrorists tell us in no uncertain terms....don't you believe them ?

McVeigh I already commented on and Holmes's insanity is obvious in his personality....unlike the Muslims, they claim no war on America for a god or political cause.
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maineman said:
so, I take it then, that you must believe that the members of Westboro Baptist Church speak for all of Christendom?

and YOU were the one who brought Islam into this part of the discussion by misreading what I had written in a response specifically about McVeigh and Holmes.

moron.
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What part of my post don't you understand that led you to make such an inaccurate claim about the Westboro Church and ALL of Christendom.....

Is you reading comprehension that fucked up.....does ALL of the Islamist terrorists mean all Islamist's to you ?

Did you miss the PERTINENT word in the sentence ?


Dixie...
"The LEFT are the only ones who want to lump radical Islamists with peaceful Muslims, and claim the right is against them all."
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And that is exactly what you did.....lump RADICALS with the PEACEFUL ....why ?...... because you're either stupid or a partisan asshole or both.
 
maineman said:
semantic pretel logic. we invaded a sovereign nation, we conquered it, and our forces occupied it for nearly a decade. you can spin that anyway you'd like to.
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And it couldn't and wouldn't have happened without the assistance of the Democrats in Congress....

Thats how we do things in the US......we have a democratic vote by the Congress and proceed accordingly.....


When and if that FACT seeps through your thick skull and gets adsorbed by your little brain, help Thingy1 understand it....
 
maineman said:
semantic pretel logic. we invaded a sovereign nation, we conquered it, and our forces occupied it for nearly a decade. you can spin that anyway you'd like to.
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Nope. We did invade the country to overthrow Saddam and defeat his military regime. We did not "conquer" Iraq, that would have involved us flying the US flag over the capital and installing our own government. We were present inside Iraq for ten years, training Iraqi security forces, so they could defend their new democracy. This is NOT spin, this is FACT. YOU are the one spinning, and curiously, you are spinning the exact same shit as the radicalized Muslims.

If you want examples of US conquest and occupation, we can talk about Guam, Puerto Rico, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Hawaii before it was a state. Those are examples of places where we conquered and occupied. Iraq is not.
 
maineman said:
in reply to #66, I would direct you to #61. maybe you need to have a talk with bravo and get him on the same page.
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I've never heard Bravo say we need to wipe out ALL MUSLIMS! If he has, I disagree with him and think that's wrong. This is the same as the illegal immigration debate, you liberals have tried to cleverly lump everyone into the same group, I don't know if this is caused by your profound bigotry and inability to understand nuance, or what... but somehow, you believe that people who oppose radical Islamic terror, are against all Muslims, just like you think people who oppose illegal immigration are opposed to all immigrants. For some reason, you can't distinguish the difference, and I think it has something to do with your bigoted minds, which prevents you from seeing people as anything more than a stereotype.
 
NOVA said:
And it couldn't and wouldn't have happened without the assistance of the Democrats in Congress....

Thats how we do things in the US......we have a democratic vote by the Congress and proceed accordingly.....


When and if that FACT seeps through your thick skull and gets adsorbed by your little brain, help Thingy1 understand it....
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Again - there was nothing in the resolution, at all, that forced Bush's hand on anything. No action was mandated.
 
Thing1 said:
Again - there was nothing in the resolution, at all, that forced Bush's hand on anything. No action was mandated.
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No on can force the president to do anything he doesn't want to do.

No Congressional approval, no war....its that simple....

The decision to oust Saddam was made under Clinton, the method was determined by the military and agreed to by Bush, approval was given, history. IN THAT ORDER.




I can post the infamous quotes in case you forgot them, just ask.
 
Bravo: You need to get to the Bush Presidential Library ASAP. You'll love it:

UNIVERSITY PARK, Tex. — More than four years after leaving office, former President George W. Bush has a question for America: So what would you have done?

In a new brick-and-limestone museum, visitors to an interactive theater will be presented with the stark choices that confronted the nation’s 43rd president: invade Iraq or leave Saddam Hussein in power? Deploy federal troops after Hurricane Katrina or rely on local forces? Bail out Wall Street or let the banks fail?

The hypothetical exercise, which includes touch screens that let users watch videos of “advisers” before voting on whether they would make the same choices that Mr. Bush did, revisits the most consequential moments of his administration. In the process, the country is being asked to re-evaluate the two-term president who presided over some of the most tumultuous years in the nation’s history.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/us/politics/hitting-rewind-bush-museum-says-you-decide.html?_r=0
 
NOVA said:
No on can force the president to do anything he doesn't want to do.

No Congressional approval, no war....its that simple....

The decision to oust Saddam was made under Clinton, the method was determined by the military and agreed to by Bush, approval was given, history. IN THAT ORDER.


I can post the infamous quotes in case you forgot them, just ask.
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Post all you want. Not one of them calls for invasion. Nor did any of the Congressional Dems who voted for the resolution.

Invasion was Bush's call. The war was his call. It will always be his call, and his war.

You can squawk all you want on a message board. It doesn't matter; history doesn't see it like you do. The vast, vast majority of people don't see it like you do. Even Bush doesn't see it like you do. So squawk away.
 
George W. Bush Says 'History Will Judge' His Record?!!

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Bravo.... tell me again what exactly was it that all the Islamist terrorists tell us in no uncertain terms?

If you go back and reread post #61, you will see that you are saying that all the islamist terrorists are telling us that Islam is our enemy... or, put another way, all the islamist terrorists are attempting to speak on behalf of all of Islam.

NOW do you understand the Westboro reference, or are you just way more obtuse than I figured you for?
 
maineman said:
Bravo.... tell me again what exactly was it that all the Islamist terrorists tell us in no uncertain terms?

If you go back and reread post #61, you will see that you are saying that all the islamist terrorists are telling us that Islam is our enemy... or, put another way, all the islamist terrorists are attempting to speak on behalf of all of Islam.

NOW do you understand the Westboro reference, or are you just way more obtuse than I figured you for?
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The last one says the same as the others ,...Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has told investigators that they acted out of jihadist sentiment

Do I have to explain what 'jihadist sentiment' means also ?
 
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