No one knows why we invaded and occupied Afghanistan.

christiefan915 said:
That's true. I have to point out, though, that many of these cons praised the withdrawal plan when it came to trump.
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As I stated in a previous post there's been 20 years of bi-partisan failure in Afghanistan. No one gets off the hook.

When you're the President you get credit for a lot of things as well as blame. Many people don't seem to take blame well when it's directed at someone they voted for. It's a team/tribalism mindset. It's a ride or die mentality, "you're my dawg and I'm going to back you no matter what". And we're seeing that here.
 
cawacko said:
Let's just put this on the table. We've been in Afghanistan for 20 years and there has been plenty of bi-partisan failure throughout the past two decades. So people need to stop with this idea that 'their side' has no blame here.

And I do not understand the position of people who say all that matters is we leave and how we do so is basically irrelevant. History is replete with actions taken for short-term gains that had long-term negative consequences. Again, this isn't saying we needed to stay in Afghanistan forever. Rather how we leave is important.

We'll see how this plays out going forward.
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I think you are looking at all this in pragmatic logical ways and without politics clouding it all up. Actually I appreciate that in people.

I am not trying to play down anything here except the rhetoric, but Donald Trump and Biden were going to be criticized for TAKING THE STAND to get us out- And both were going to be criticized regardless as to how they did it. And this one was going to be as bad as we have ever seen of any war we couldn't finish the way we wanted it to but still had to end it.

Presidents get a lot of blame no matter what they do or don't do!

But Biden announced he wanted to get out troops and those Afghanistan people that helped us and all Americans by August 31st.

My calendar say's it's only August 19th- and we will take all the time we need till the job at hand is done.

But we are not going to please everyone and it will not be pretty- as these things never are!

I think it may be wise for Biden's State Department to sit down at the table with the Taliban and hash this thing out.

I know Americans don't want to negotiate with terrorist organizations, but this time it is different, as they now rule that country.
 
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democrats are falling all over themselves to justify the murder and rape of woman and children by the failure of a white, racist democrat president. One just cannot make this shit up.
 
Grumpy said:
And do you want to know why they praised The Donald's plan ... BECAUSE HE HAD ONE ... unlike hojo who quit and ran
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Do you know that Biden basically followed the trump plan? And that what changed was the date? So I'm not following your comment about quitting and running. There was no point in entering into new negotiations with the Taliban when part of the original withdrawal plan already occurred under trump. IMO.

"President Biden said Monday that his decision to pull American forces from the country stemmed from a deal that former President Donald Trump’s administration had negotiated with the Taliban.
“When I came into office I inherited a deal that President Trump had negotiated with the Taliban,” Biden said at the White House, adding, “The choice I had to make as your president was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season.

“There was only the cold reality of either following through on the agreement to withdraw our forces or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops into combat in Afghanistan, lurching into the third decade of conflict,” Biden said.


https://news.yahoo.com/biden-points...mp-to-explain-afghanistan-exit-215848097.html
 
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"President Biden said Monday that his decision to pull American forces from the country stemmed from a deal that former President Donald Trump’s administration had negotiated with the Taliban.
“When I came into office I inherited a deal that President Trump had negotiated with the Taliban,” Biden said at the White House, adding, “The choice I had to make as your president was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season.

“There was only the cold reality of either following through on the agreement to withdraw our forces or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops into combat in Afghanistan, lurching into the third decade of conflict,” Biden said.
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Hmmm ... August is " the middle of the spring fighting season." ... YEP ... hojo unintelligent babble.
 
Grumpy said:
And do you want to know why they praised The Donald's plan ... BECAUSE HE HAD ONE ... unlike hojo who quit and ran
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His plan was to pick the winner and he chose the Taliban over the Afghan government.

Former President Donald Trump gushed about the prospect of a Taliban-led Afghanistan last year, predicting that once they took over the country, they would devote themselves to killing terrorists.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ban-who-would-then-kill-terrorists/ar-AANqcsV
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Geeko Sportivo said:
Nor can they tell us how Biden is the blame for any of the shit they are blaming him for.

Just wild ass accusations from people who have not a clue about what they are talking about!
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Yes we can or I can biden didnt have a good exit plan that resulted in the government there falling way to fast.the with drawl was poorly planned with far to many American and afgan people who needed removed with out the resources in place and proper notifacation. This resulted in the non necessary loss of life and eqt.
 
christiefan915 said:
Do you know that Biden basically followed the trump plan? And that what changed was the date? So I'm not following your comment about quitting and running. There was no point in entering into new negotiations with the Taliban when part of the original withdrawal plan already occurred under trump. IMO.

"President Biden said Monday that his decision to pull American forces from the country stemmed from a deal that former President Donald Trump’s administration had negotiated with the Taliban.
“When I came into office I inherited a deal that President Trump had negotiated with the Taliban,” Biden said at the White House, adding, “The choice I had to make as your president was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season.

“There was only the cold reality of either following through on the agreement to withdraw our forces or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops into combat in Afghanistan, lurching into the third decade of conflict,” Biden said.


https://news.yahoo.com/biden-points...mp-to-explain-afghanistan-exit-215848097.html
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Biden finally found a Trump plan worth keeping lol? Why couldn’t Biden keep the remain in Mexico plan or Trump’s energy plan?

So, where in the Trump Afghanistan plan did it saying anything about leaving 10k citizens behind along with our only airbase and munitions?
 
BidenPresident said:
But we are supposed to be in a crisis because Biden ended it. Don't buy it.

The people trashing Biden cannot tell us why the war existed in the first place.
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The war started as a cover for the mess Bush got you into: aggression tends to go down big with the American voter.

The problem is not the ending that involvement, but that it has been ended with no care whatever for those who trusted 'the West'. It's a mug's game.
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
The war started as a cover for the mess Bush got you into: aggression tends to go down big with the American voter.

The problem is not the ending that involvement, but that it has been ended with no care whatever for those who trusted 'the West'. It's a mug's game.
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Careful now iolo, that statement might get you labeled a Trumper.
 
Bulletbob said:
Yes we can or I can biden didnt have a good exit plan that resulted in the government there falling way to fast.the with drawl was poorly planned with far to many American and afgan people who needed removed with out the resources in place and proper notifacation. This resulted in the non necessary loss of life and eqt.
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There have been no loss of life- YET bob!

The Americans there should have left months ago instead of waiting for the last minute. Trump announced that the troops would be coming home and started moving them home back in 2020. They were originally supposed to be gone by his plan in June 2021. The Americans were supposed to be long gone by now of their own accord and by Commercial airliner- NOT GOVERNMENT TRANSPORT. These are not Government employees- These are people that work for the supply chain and are part of the Military Industrial Complex and contractors etc.

Had they left when they were supposed to, we could be using those military transport planes to remove all the Afghans we need to get out. This is only Aug 20th, and the deadline is August 31st.
 
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