"no one is coming to take your guns"

ZappasGuitar said:
You're asking me if I'm the stupid one?

After you make a patently ridiculous statement like you did above?

Tell us please, which state do you think might pass such a law anytime soon?

Can't think of one? Well that's because it's just another BS strawman argument.

How desperate you must be to postulate such irrational nonsense.
Click to expand...
it's fucking hilarious that you can postulate all this idiotic shit and it means something, but you have the idiocy to castigate another for doing it. this is your typical liberal thinking, thanks.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
This has eliminated all personal possession of firearms? Been effective in decreasing it? Made it significantly more difficult to get firearms?

You still enjoy a right to bear arms without significant limit, unless you are a felon or are clinically insane.
Click to expand...
so your going to go with the moronic liberal ideology of as long as anyone gets to own a single shot 22 or 410, then you still enjoy a 2nd Amendment right?

tell us what the 2nd Amendment was written to protect. the right to hunt quail?
 
Cave Johnson said:
Go buy a lemat then. I mean, if nothings changed...
Click to expand...

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=3496

Thttp://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=3496his is not legal? Even if it isn't its not the only sort of gun there is. Oooooohhhhh maybe in another 50 years they will ban another type of gun. Then what? It's all creeping towards??? More mostly useless legislation. There have been exponentially more guns introduced to the market than have been banned. New innovations will continue and the laws will not limit them all or even likely keep up very effectively.

I am sorry, I don't just can't be bothered to give a fuck that you can't own each and every gun you can imagine and have it without any sort of regulatory controls.

I am firmly pro choice but if they made a law banning late term abortions so long as it allowed for exceptions in the case of severe fetal deformity and impacts to the mothers health, I would not care much. You so called libertarians don't seem to give a fuck about the fact that many states are trying desperately to eliminate a woman's reproductive rights and access to abortion.

I am strongly in support of religious freedom including freedom from religion. Don't much care about the "one nation under god", "in god we trust" or government prayers. Again, I don't hear you guys saying much about the intense push to respect certain religions.

I support gun rights. But it's not the only right I support, any more important than the others and I certainly don't see any reason to believe it is under significant threat. In most areas, Democrats have gotten punished severely whenever they have touched on it and I don't expect that is going to change much.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so your going to go with the moronic liberal ideology of as long as anyone gets to own a single shot 22 or 410, then you still enjoy a 2nd Amendment right?

tell us what the 2nd Amendment was written to protect. the right to hunt quail?
Click to expand...

No, I am going to continue pointing out that your notion that limiting your access to any type of weapon (nuclear, biological or ballistic) is a fundamental violation of your right to bear arms, is fucking stupid and not the best argument of those who actually support the right to bear arms.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
No, I am going to continue pointing out that your notion that limiting your access to any type of weapon (nuclear, biological or ballistic) is a fundamental violation of your right to bear arms, is fucking stupid and not the best argument of those who actually support the right to bear arms.
Click to expand...
claiming to support the right to bear arms for hunting squirrels does not make you a gun rights supporter, period. to think otherwise is fucking stupid.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=3496

This is not legal? Even if it isn't its not the only sort of gun there is. Oooooohhhhh maybe in another 50 years they will ban another type of gun. Then what? It's all creeping towards??? More mostly useless legislation. There have been exponentially more guns introduced to the market than have been banned. New innovations will continue and the laws will not limit them all or even likely keep up very effectively.

I am sorry, I don't just can't be bothered to give a fuck that you can't own each and every gun you can imagine and have it without any sort of regulatory controls.

I am firmly pro choice but if they made a law banning late term abortions so long as it allowed for exceptions in the case of severe fetal deformity and impacts to the mothers health, I would not care much. You so called libertarians don't seem to give a fuck about the fact that many states are trying desperately to eliminate a woman's reproductive rights and access to abortion.

I am strongly in support of religious freedom including freedom from religion. Don't much care about the "one nation under god", "in god we trust" or government prayers. Again, I don't hear you guys saying much about the intense push to respect certain religions.

I support gun rights. But it's not the only right I support, any more important than the others and I certainly don't see any reason to believe it is under significant threat. In most areas, Democrats have gotten punished severely whenever they have touched on it and I don't expect that is going to change much.
Click to expand...

No, you don't. Your opinions in this thread thus far have made that very clear to us all. You can spout whatever rationalization you like, but at the end of the day you are anti-freedom. This is a terrible shame, as I used to view you as a great Libertarian voice once.
 
Cave Johnson said:
No, you don't. Your opinions in this thread thus far have made that very clear to us all. You can spout whatever rationalization you like, but at the end of the day you are anti-freedom. This is a terrible shame, as I used to view you as a great Libertarian voice once.
Click to expand...

Note how, once you highlighted the fact the gun Billy mentions can indeed be bought, Billy the Liar merely ignores that fact.
 
Bet Baxter, Mott, Et all agree with this...

G4jS3Si.jpg
 
Cave Johnson said:
No, you don't. Your opinions in this thread thus far have made that very clear to us all. You can spout whatever rationalization you like, but at the end of the day you are anti-freedom. This is a terrible shame, as I used to view you as a great Libertarian voice once.
Click to expand...


Ahhh, it looks like someone does not like being proven wrong and is going to have a little tantrum. I am no gun expert but it appears you are not quite as knowledgeable about the legality of the Lemat as you claimed.

You can't point to one gun law I have stated any support for just ones I am not all that concerned about. There is no reason to use appeals to emotion, fear and paranoia to make your arguments.

I am sorry, but I see little proof that you, Grind or the conspiratard doucehbag are libertarians. Maybe branch out a little bit and quit focusing on your hobbies, only.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
Ahhh, it looks like someone does not like being proven wrong and is going to have a little tantrum. I am no gun expert but it appears you are not quite as knowledgeable about the legality of the Lemat as you claimed.
Click to expand...
It's black powder, not a gun (see why language matters), therefore I'm right. Unless you want to buy one in a smokeless powder variety. Go on, do it. No balls.

You can't point to one gun law I have stated any support for just ones I am not all that concerned about.
Click to expand...
And you're not concerned about them because you don't care about freedom. Bet you don't have a problem with the NSA either.
There is no reason to use appeals to emotion, fear and paranoia to make your arguments.
Click to expand...
Calling for more freedom and the vigilance of rights isn't paranoia or fear.

I am sorry, but I see little proof that you, Grind or the conspiratard doucehbag are libertarians. Maybe branch out a little bit and quit focusing on your hobbies, only.
Click to expand...
Ok there buddy. Whatever you say.
 
Cave Johnson said:
No, you don't. Your opinions in this thread thus far have made that very clear to us all. You can spout whatever rationalization you like, but at the end of the day you are anti-freedom. This is a terrible shame, as I used to view you as a great Libertarian voice once.
Click to expand...

i did too. rstring used to be at the top of his game. but then he came back to JPP and something changed. I am convinced he had a mental breakdown. He was really rambly for a while. Then he emerged like a butterfly from a shitstained cacoon and morphed into the anti-freedom fake libertarian he is today.
 
Democrats have gotten punished severely whenever they have touched on it and I don't expect that is going to change much.
Click to expand...

only because pro-gun rights people have kept up the fight and have refused to compromise. the less fervor on our side, the more successful the gun grabbers will be. I am not letting up, and never will.
 
Cave Johnson said:
It's black powder, not a gun (see why language matters), therefore I'm right. Unless you want to buy one in a smokeless powder variety. Go on, do it. No balls.

And you're not concerned about them because you don't care about freedom. Bet you don't have a problem with the NSA either.
Calling for more freedom and the vigilance of rights isn't paranoia or fear.

Ok there buddy. Whatever you say.
Click to expand...

Is it legal or not? It appears to be legal.

Are you suggesting that because there is a loophole the law is effective in restraining your liberty? That's a strange one.

I am not concerned because there is no credible threat to the right to keep and bear arms. It is more secure now than it was twenty years ago even if you cant buy a smokeless Lemat.

Why are you not concerned about the limits on a woman's right to control her reproduction? Why are you not concerned about protecting people from illegal searches? Why are you not concerned about equality before the law?

The courts have found a way to protect our rights from significant restraint while still allowing the legislature to provide relief to the will of the masses. If they were to take the half baked absolutist positions that sty ignorantly advances our entire constitutional system would have been scrapped by now. Sty lives in a fantasy world. He is not sane.

Calling for more freedom is fine but I rarely see that. Instead I see someone utilizing paranoia and fear about how they are coming for our guns.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I don't think that's a fair assessment of Topper at all. The fact that he pokes fun at the irrational and religious reverence towards guns of some doesn't mean he's "anti-gun" at all. The fact that he points out some cold hard facts about guns that you may not like doesn't mean you can dismiss those facts because "He wants to take your guns." He doesn't. He's trying to make you think.

In fact this near religious worship of guns is what puts off and frustrates many about gun enthusiast. Particularly the right wing NRA trailer park crowd.

The fact that we want to have a discussion about implementing common sense methods to keep nut jobs from having access to military style weapons so they can't gun down elementary school kids doesn't mean we want to take your guns or that we want European style gun control or that we don't believe in 2nd amendment rights. That is complete nonsense and what it really shows is the irrational border line fanaticism of some gun enthusiast.

The fact that we don't want wack jobs having access to military style weapons doesn't mean we want to take your guns away. The fact that we don't want to live our lives in an armed camp or in fear doesn't mean we want to take anyones arms away. The slippery slope argument the NRA and their supporters present speaks more to fanaticism than it does to gun advocacy. The fact that you don't feel safe going to a public place such as a movie theater, unless your packing heat, speaks to far greater social problems that need to be addressed than anything ever having to do with guns. None of that means that anyone wants to take your guns away or implement European style gun control or violate anyones 2nd amendment rights.

We simply want to be able to go to a movie or send our kids to school without some total nutjob, showing up with enough armaments to break the siege of Bastogne cause...well...it's not Bastogne! That and most of us don't believe that the answer to gun violence is more guns.

The NRA's slippery slope argument that any common sense methods that deny the mentally insane and criminals easy access to military style weapons will open the gate to taking our guns is utter nonsense. Something can be done to prevent these tragedies happening and more guns is not the answer. That's treating the symptom and not the problem.
Click to expand...

What is the difference between a military style weapon and a military functioning weapon? The difference is a Ferrari will go 200 miles per hour and a kit car, Ferrari style, body on a Volkswagen frame and engine is still a Volkswagen. The guns function differently, and the clip size is irrelevant because a smaller clip can be changed quicker than you can say "irresponsible gun control."
 
Asa said:
What is the difference between a military style weapon and a military functioning weapon? The difference is a Ferrari will go 200 miles per hour and a kit car, Ferrari style, body on a Volkswagen frame and engine is still a Volkswagen. The guns function differently, and the clip size is irrelevant because a smaller clip can be changed quicker than you can say "irresponsible gun control."
Click to expand...

Note: This is a more effective argument than...

41b154ade2f929a9b0e399e99c1a0c8c5e4f58a409fd39764e4704924154c777.jpg
 
Grind said:
only because pro-gun rights people have kept up the fight and have refused to compromise. the less fervor on our side, the more successful the gun grabbers will be. I am not letting up, and never will.
Click to expand...

I don't think the paranoia helps much. Blaming video games and attacking free speech rights does not help. Real libertarians have already backed off the NRA due to that sort of thing. Also, making a hero out of a sociopath and playing on racial fears does not do the right to bear arms a service.

The fact that you will vote for any Republican that promises not to vote for new gun laws, has probably helped to limit our rights in other areas.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top