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And as some seek justification for their fears, anger, self loathing and paranoia in the Republican Party and the 2nd amendment their intolerance and racial prejudices become very plain for anyone paying attention to see. Sad. Just sad. I long for the days of a Dwight D. Eisenhower Republican Party. I fear there will never be another one like that or even approaching that. The pukes have alienated themselves far too many times and too deep this time. This will show for years if not decades.
 
And as some seek justification for their fears, anger, self loathing and paranoia in the Republican Party and the 2nd amendment their intolerance and racial prejudices become very plain for anyone paying attention to see. Sad. Just sad. I long for the days of a Dwight D. Eisenhower Republican Party. I fear there will never be another one like that or even approaching that. The pukes have alienated themselves far too many times and too deep this time. This will show for years if not decades.

I agree with much of what you said. But the 2nd amendment? How is that justification for their fears, anger, self-loathing and paranoia?
 
I agree with much of what you said. But the 2nd amendment? How is that justification for their fears, anger, self-loathing and paranoia?

You have totally misread and misquoted me, wb. I hate it when ppl do that and I've really kept it quite simple and without any significant nuance.
 
You have totally misread and misquoted me, wb. I hate it when ppl do that and I've really kept it quite simple and without any significant nuance.

"And as some seek justification for their fears, anger, self loathing and paranoia in the Republican Party and the 2nd amendment their intolerance and racial prejudices become very plain for anyone paying attention to see."

Ok, so you said that "some seek justififcation for their fears, anger, self-loathing and paranoia...", so I got that part right.

And you said that they seek this justification "...in the Republican Party and the 2nd amendment". So I got that part right. And you stated that by seeking justification in those two places, their "...intolerance and racial prejudices become very plain for anyone paying attention to see".



If I am misreading, please clarify what you mean. Since the entire point of all of this is communication, it is up to both sides of a discussion to make their points as clear as possible. I asked a simple question. Rather than bemoan my misreading or misquoting (and I quoted it accurately), why not make an effort to communicate your point.
 
I must have missed it too. A big part of what I read was very relevant but the dig at the 2nd ammendment ... I don't get it
 
"And as some seek justification for their fears, anger, self loathing and paranoia in the Republican Party and the 2nd amendment their intolerance and racial prejudices become very plain for anyone paying attention to see."

Ok, so you said that "some seek justififcation for their fears, anger, self-loathing and paranoia...", so I got that part right.

And you said that they seek this justification "...in the Republican Party and the 2nd amendment". So I got that part right. And you stated that by seeking justification in those two places, their "...intolerance and racial prejudices become very plain for anyone paying attention to see".



If I am misreading, please clarify what you mean. Since the entire point of all of this is communication, it is up to both sides of a discussion to make their points as clear as possible. I asked a simple question. Rather than bemoan my misreading or misquoting (and I quoted it accurately)bullshit, why not make an effort to communicate your point.

You continue to misread and misquote. If you continue to do so I will simply stop communicating with you and I think that would be a shame as I think we share in many ways.
 
You continue to misread and misquote. If you continue to do so I will simply stop communicating with you and I think that would be a shame as I think we share in many ways.

Look, you are new here so let me try and help you out.

You posted a statement. I read it and asked a question about it. You claim I misquoted and misread you statement. Someone else sees the same thing that I did.

Now I am a fairly bright guy. Leaning is a teacher and a pretty bright fellow too. So if two people read your statement and see the same thing, perhaps you should try and clarify what you mean instead of dodging around it with all this faux outrage about being misquoted and misread.

My question quoted you fine.

In another thread you posted "Last I checked this is a participatory game." So participate in the discussion already and quite playing games.
 
Look, you are new here so let me try and help you out.

You posted a statement. I read it and asked a question about it. You claim I misquoted and misread you statement. Someone else sees the same thing that I did.

Now I am a fairly bright guy. Leaning is a teacher and a pretty bright fellow too. So if two people read your statement and see the same thing, perhaps you should try and clarify what you mean instead of dodging around it with all this faux outrage about being misquoted and misread.

My question quoted you fine.

In another thread you posted "Last I checked this is a participatory game." So participate in the discussion already and quite playing games.

He's basically denying what he's written. Can someone say troll?
 
I must have missed it too. A big part of what I read was very relevant but the dig at the 2nd ammendment ... I don't get it

My dig was not in any way directed towards the 2nd amendment but to those that would hide behind it or purposely confuse the definition of a well regulated militia to include stepping into the Capital grounds with an AK47 strapped to their back and a long barrel semi-automatic pistola strapped to their leg is a bit much for this old NRA member to accept. REREAD WHAT I WROTE. DON'T MISQUOTE. OR GET OUT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU ARE UNEQUIPPED TO COMPREHEND.
 
My dig was not in any way directed towards the 2nd amendment but to those that would hide behind it or purposely confuse the definition of a well regulated militia to include stepping into the Capital grounds with an AK47 strapped to their back and a long barrel semi-automatic pistola strapped to their leg is a bit much for this old NRA member to accept. REREAD WHAT I WROTE. DON'T MISQUOTE. OR GET OUT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU ARE UNEQUIPPED TO COMPREHEND.

Look, I have no idea why you decided to be a prick about this. But a simple explanation for a poorly worded statement is not an unreasonable request.

And I assure you, I am quite well equipped to comprehend normal conversations and even those on a fairly high intellectual level. What I have little patience for is some noobie, pseudo-intellectual making statements and then refusing to discuss them because he claims he was misquoted or misread. If someone doesn't understand, then explain it to them.

No where in your statement did you say anything that resembles what you posted in post #11. So how about cooling the fuck down and having a conversation??

Now, as for the bit about purposely confusing the definition of militia, you need to read some of the Federalist Papers and the thoughts of the founding fathers concerning the reasons for the 2nd amendment. And also, you need to check with the numerous higher court opinions that state that the 2nd amendment does, in fact, speak to a right of the people to keep and bear arms.


Now, do you still want to play? Or shall we start an actual discussion?
 
My dig was not in any way directed towards the 2nd amendment but to those that would hide behind it or purposely confuse the definition of a well regulated militia to include stepping into the Capital grounds with an AK47 strapped to their back and a long barrel semi-automatic pistola strapped to their leg is a bit much for this old NRA member to accept. REREAD WHAT I WROTE. DON'T MISQUOTE. OR GET OUT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU ARE UNEQUIPPED TO COMPREHEND.

Ok, lets try again. You say you are an old member of the NRA, and that your dig was at those who hide behind the 2nd amendment or purposely confuse the definition of a well regulated militia.

The AK and the semi-auto pistol aside, what examples can you give to help me understand who you are digging at? Is it those who wanted the "assault rifle" ban removed? Those who believe in open carry? Conservatives in general? Who exactly was your dig aimed at?
 
Look, you are new here so let me try and help you out.

You posted a statement. I read it and asked a question about it. You claim I misquoted and misread you statement. Someone else sees the same thing that I did.

Now I am a fairly bright guy. Leaning is a teacher and a pretty bright fellow too. So if two people read your statement and see the same thing, perhaps you should try and clarify what you mean instead of dodging around it with all this faux outrage about being misquoted and misread.

My question quoted you fine.

In another thread you posted "Last I checked this is a participatory game." So participate in the discussion already and quite playing games.

WTF? Are you the nOOB police? I've been doing this a while, snot nose, se don't get insolent with me. I don't give one fuck about how bright you, leaning or anyone else is. I'm pretty bright, too, even if I am an old man and not so up to snuff on computer tech stuff. Capische'?

Let me repost that post and again I ask you to simply reread it and don't misquote me as I made no dig at the 2nd amendment but more towards the 2nd amendment nuts. In any event, you and your little pumpkins are welcome to continue your stupidities. That's no fault of mine.

Here goes:

And as some seek justification for their fears, anger, self loathing and paranoia in the Republican Party and the 2nd amendment their intolerance and racial prejudices become very plain for anyone paying attention to see. Sad. Just sad. I long for the days of a Dwight D. Eisenhower Republican Party. I fear there will never be another one like that or even approaching that. The pukes have alienated themselves far too many times and too deep this time. This will show for years if not decades.
 
My dig was not in any way directed towards the 2nd amendment but to those that would hide behind it or purposely confuse the definition of a well regulated militia to include stepping into the Capital grounds with an AK47 strapped to their back and a long barrel semi-automatic pistola strapped to their leg is a bit much for this old NRA member to accept. REREAD WHAT I WROTE. DON'T MISQUOTE. OR GET OUT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU ARE UNEQUIPPED TO COMPREHEND.

I post this on your behalf leaningright.


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Ok, lets try again. You say you are an old member of the NRA, and that your dig was at those who hide behind the 2nd amendment or purposely confuse the definition of a well regulated militia.

The AK and the semi-auto pistol aside, what examples can you give to help me understand who you are digging at? Is it those who wanted the "assault rifle" ban removed? Those who believe in open carry? Conservatives in general? Who exactly was your dig aimed at?

Show me where my post was not as I relate here, there or in any way otherwise in this thread? The semi-auto pistol and AK aside? Ha!! Who needs more examples of fears, hate, anger, self loathing and paranoia? I think I've explained already who I am digging at. Only a fool or an idiot could confuse that.
 
My dig was not in any way directed towards the 2nd amendment but to those that would hide behind it or purposely confuse the definition of a well regulated militia to include stepping into the Capital grounds with an AK47 strapped to their back and a long barrel semi-automatic pistola strapped to their leg is a bit much for this old NRA member to accept. REREAD WHAT I WROTE. DON'T MISQUOTE. OR GET OUT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU ARE UNEQUIPPED TO COMPREHEND.


You mis-read and mis-understand the Second Amendment and deny what you wrote.....

The dig was directed at the Republican Party and obviously the 2nd amend....those are your words....." in the Republican Party and the 2nd amendment "

and if you don't understand what is meant in the 2nd Amendment by "THE PEOPLE"....you're an idiot.....

because it means exactly that ....THE PEOPLE....and its to be understood to mean the THE PEOPLE every place it is written.....

It doesn't mean one thing in one amendment and something else in a different amendment.....

If you can't express yourself plainly, shove the fuck off....

seek justification for their fears, anger, self loathing and paranoia in the 2nd amendment....Those are your words and they make no sense
 
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WTF? Are you the nOOB police? I've been doing this a while, snot nose, se don't get insolent with me. I don't give one fuck about how bright you, leaning or anyone else is. I'm pretty bright, too, even if I am an old man and not so up to snuff on computer tech stuff. Capische'?

Let me repost that post and again I ask you to simply reread it and don't misquote me as I made no dig at the 2nd amendment but more towards the 2nd amendment nuts. In any event, you and your little pumpkins are welcome to continue your stupidities. That's no fault of mine.

Here goes:

And as some seek justification for their fears, anger, self loathing and paranoia in the Republican Party and the 2nd amendment their intolerance and racial prejudices become very plain for anyone paying attention to see. Sad. Just sad. I long for the days of a Dwight D. Eisenhower Republican Party. I fear there will never be another one like that or even approaching that. The pukes have alienated themselves far too many times and too deep this time. This will show for years if not decades.


Jeez, you really don't want to participate in a discussion, do you? And I am far from being a "snot nose".

I have tried to engage you in a conversation or a discussion. But you got your panties in a wad and keep ranting on and on about being misquoted and that we are misreading what you said. But the funny thing is, you don't actually state what I misquoted or what anyone is misreading. Which tells me you are either clueless or a troll.

Now, if my badgering you for clarification is getting under your skin, just wait till you meet the others on this board. I am one of the polite ones. But I don't suffer fools lightly and I do request that people clarify what they mean.

You are all for wanting someone to answer the questions about their posts in the thread about 21 Indulgences, but now you don't want to do it yourself.



Wouldn't clarifying what you meant or discussing the things said be easier than this continued ranting and dancing around the topic?

Look, I'm old. So my time is more valuable to me. So either get busy participating (as you said this was about) or I'll leave you to your own devices and the more hostile members of the forum.
 
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