No More D.C. Voucher Money

Solitary said:
This is absolutely true, BAC. Education is not valued here. Truly a shame.
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Too easy to just blame the students for failure.

Although I want to be clear that I'm not suggesting this is what leaningright is doing at all.

Additionally, fatherhood is not valued in this country, and motherhood is more important than childhood.

A devastating reality for young males, particularly black ones.
 
blackascoal said:
Too easy to just blame the students for failure.

Although I want to be clear that I'm not suggesting this is what leaningright is doing at all.

Additionally, fatherhood is not valued in this country, and motherhood is more important than childhood.

A devastating reality for young males, particularly black ones.
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I was not blaming students, I was making a statement about our society as a whole.

The quest for knowledge has been replaced by a quest for a degree worth money. People do not care if their kids learn or if they keep lkearning, they only care about the status of having a kid in a good college.

Merit Scholarships get reported on page 9 of the newspaper, football scholarships get reported on page 1 or 2.
 
In a completely different direction, I think a return to good Vocational Training programs would be very good for our school systems.
 
Solitary said:
I was not blaming students, I was making a statement about our society as a whole.

The quest for knowledge has been replaced by a quest for a degree worth money. People do not care if their kids learn or if they keep lkearning, they only care about the status of having a kid in a good college.

Merit Scholarships get reported on page 9 of the newspaper, football scholarships get reported on page 1 or 2.
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My apologies if I wan't clear .. I wasn't suggesting that you were blaming the students either .. I was agreeing with you.

And I agree with what you've said here.
 
Superfreak said:
Let me guess, the woman was your mother and you were that special little girl who wanted to fax something? It seems to fit with what you might be able to learn at USC.
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Actually I got this story off your personal wikipedia page. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
 
I real happy about the vouchers getting canned in DC...it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of voters....

I only hope that Obamas tax policy gets passed on the fast track too....the people really need to experience the wonder of Obamas policies as soon as humanly possible....:clink:
 
bravo said:
I real happy about the vouchers getting canned in DC...it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of voters....

I only hope that Obamas tax policy gets passed on the fast track too....the people really need to experience the wonder of Obamas policies as soon as humanly possible....:clink:
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After experiencing the wonder of republican policies .. the world can't wait to get with Obama's policies .. as fast as humanly possible.

There is little to zero difference between private svhools and public schools, so I also agree with you .. ending vouchers in DC and everywhere else in America couldn't happen to a better nation.
 
LOL

Good to see they stopped it. What a waste of money it was trying to educate and improve the life of minorities, when we all know they were never going to get jobs and make anything of themselves except follow in their parents footsteps and be another minority living on welfare, committing crimes and selling drugs.

Wonder how they like Obama now!
 
webbway said:
LOL

Good to see they stopped it. What a waste of money it was trying to educate and improve the life of minorities, when we all know they were never going to get jobs and make anything of themselves except follow in their parents footsteps and be another minority living on welfare, committing crimes and selling drugs.

Wonder how they like Obama now!
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Yeah minorities couldn't even hope to do anything like be Secretary of State, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, CEO of American Express, or anything else worthwhile.

lol

And webbway, you have accomplished what?
 
blackascoal said:
I applaud your motivation of students brother, but it isn't just the "welfare mentality" that affects them. Many failing students aren't coming from welfare homes and come from homes that are middle class. In fact, there aren't that many welfare homes left.

Education is not taken seriously in this country and we spend more money bulding prisons than schools or colleges .. then we target students to fill the prisons.

We exist in a society based on McSuccess where oppulence, celebrity, and material are more valued than work ethics and education. Too often students get in the way of its parents strive to keep up and far too many come home from school everyday to an empty house where TV and video games assume the role of parenting.
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I agree wholeheartedly with most of what you say. You and I come from two very different places in life and two very different locales, I think. The families I deal with are rural, white or American Indian, poor, and very un-educated. They are the kind of people that yankees think about when they think "southerner." The socio-economic break down of students in our school is 80%-20% - Poor to Middle Class. We have had two students come here in the past 21 years whose parents had an income of over $100,000. And this that you say:

We exist in a society based on McSuccess where oppulence, celebrity, and material are more valued than work ethics and education. Too often students get in the way of its parents strive to keep up and far too many come home from school everyday to an empty house where TV and video games assume the role of parenting.
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It is so true. But a lot of the kids that go home to empty houses here are going home to empty houses, not because their parent(s) are at work, but becuase their parent(s) are out drinking or at one of the 3 casinos within a 50 mile radius.

You say that many "failing students" don't necessarily come from Welfare Homes but from the "middle class" families. I absolutely agree and didn't mean to imply that these students came only from welfare families. They definitely come from all stripes. I am so excited when I get a kid from a poorer family who shows great potential and performs well at the Jr. High level. The challenge for me is to keep that kid from following the path that their parent's followed and motivate them to take advantage of getting an education. In 21 years I bat about 50/50 with these kids. It isn't good enough for me. I get frustrated that by the time a potentially good student gets to upper high school he/she would want to live a life and put their own kids through a life described in the above paragraph.
 
Here is my opinion. You pay for your towns school period. If you still want a private school then pay on your own. We cant have people taking money out of the towns school budget for vouchers.

The only caveat I would put in is that you should have a school choice for your region within a certain circumference (as in a couple towns with similar economic conditions) from your home.

Now if you start telling me that they are going to bus inner city kids into my town that I pay 2500 a month to live in and 7K a year in taxes because I work my ass off then I totally take back what I said above.
 
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I am against vouchers only becaue I know that many conservative polititians desire to end universal public education and belive that we should have two classes of education.
 
I tend to agree that many Republican politicians would like to end public education as we know it but I have this problem with ending the voucher system:

Thinking about the situation of friends and relatives of mine in OKC who are mostly middle income, if I were them I would definitely want to send my kids to a private school. As a teacher, if the state is going to spend $10,000 per kid for them to go to the public school, what is wrong with spending $5000 for the kid to go to a private school. If the parents are willing to work hard and make up the difference for their kids to go to a better (and in most cases, safer) school then more power to them. This is also motivation for the public schools to perform better. If they want to keep students in thier school, do a better job.

I am 100% pro-public education. I am also 100% pro-accountability for these institutions.

As a teacher I realize that when you have to try to educate every kid out there that there are limits to what you can accomplish (as to the accountability mentioned above) but proficiency ratings like some I have seen are horrendous and make it look like no one is teaching anything to anyone.

Public schools are going to have to set some common sense goals. Bush's NCLB doesn't include common sense but it was a step in a good direction, IMO.
 
The main thing I disagree with removing a voucher system is basically one-size fits all hasn't been working. While we get a "public is just as good" at the same time we get "we suck at math and sciences and have fallen behind other industrialized nations". We need to change the system as it is, radically. First vocational schools need to be revisited, vouchers and other systems as people think of them should be tried and discarded if they do not work.

We can't keep repeating the same thing over and over and expecting sudden increases in science and math.

For some children the private school environment can be the most beneficial and I prefer to get the most out of the money we all spend on education rather than insist it be spent in the particular way we already know has put us behind other nations....

It's circular logic to reason that because they are relatively the "same" that there can be no benefit from changing what we already know fails.
 
Jarod said:
I am against vouchers only becaue I know that many conservative polititians desire to end universal public education and belive that we should have two classes of education.
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Who desires to end public education? Seriously, where do you come up with this? And two classes of education? Compared to what what we have today?
 
And what of the impact on education of homelife?
Prioritiories?
Vidiot babysitters.

Education starts at home.
Is Drivin from home.
Is finished in school.
 
cawacko said:
Who desires to end public education? Seriously, where do you come up with this? And two classes of education? Compared to what what we have today?
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I believe actions speak louder than words. I have often thought this about the Bush's, my former gov. Jeb Bush and the reciently former president Bush. I have seen published reports claiming that the former presidnet has expressed this view in his younger years.

Many conservatives belive that if your family cant pay for a good education, you dont get a good education. If your family can pay for it, then thats great they should buy you a great education. This would lead to two classes of education. Former President Bush, JR. so much expressed his view that education is an entitlement that should be eliminated and that the government should not be paying for it at all, and that he would like to let it wither on the vine.
 
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