NK's weaponization of North's "Hwasong-14" ICBM.

[dukkha]

Your choice of the word "idiot" is appropriate, but not in the way you think it is.

Real men, real leaders, and the Presidents of global super powers do not bluster on Twitter, do not issue threats on twitter, and do not berate and harangue allies on twitter. Even uber-conservative Ted Cruz is criticizing the way your Orange Clown is blustering.

We have diplomatic channels to do shit like that. Once you start blustering and bellowing on Twitter, you are going to be committed and you open yourself up to being weakling that makes empty threats. Speak softly and carry a big stick. Teddy Roosevelt, no?

I actually can't even remember the last time Putin threatened to annihilate a country on Twitter. But we both know Putin is about ten times more cunning than your hapless, flaccid, orange clown.

Oh please.
Trump is telling lil Kim the days of "strategic patience" by the Obama administration is over.
We are NOT going to have to "just live " with a nuclear NK -despite Susan Rice's counsel to do so.

Trump's tweets are enough to convey the fact that time is running out for China, or sanctions or whatever alternative is not going to last forever. That's all that matters with NK. They need to know for sure a status quo of lil Kim being an existential threat to us cannot stand forever.

Hopefully China steps up - but if they don't we are going to take our self defense in our own hands and are not going to put ourselves in a possible demise posture for anyone.

 

[Bigdog]

Cypress's racism has blinded his judgement and perception.

 

[blackascoal]

Q.how long has NK had an ICBM that can survive re-entry, carrying a miniaturized warhead and be guided in it's terminal phase to target?
A. like in the last 6 months? year maybe?

IOWs for all his blustering it's only now that he is an existential threat.
And his rhetoric is so jingoistic/warlike it HAS to be taken as such.

Like i've told you many times you don't understand- or you choose not to look at- how weapons systems impact abilities/geopolitics .
Cold War 2 is the classic example. You never seem to think there is ENOUGH tank division running around Poland.
You've laughed when I tell you the reason Russia has developed tactical battlefield nukes is to make up for force inferiority..

What happens when lil Kim can fire off a couple of these at the same time? will our 50-50 ABM system be able to intercept them all?

"Q.how long has NK had an ICBM that can survive re-entry"
.. that brings up a salient point.

Trump: North Korea intercontinental missile 'won't happen'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38492947

Trump's redline .. it did happen. What did Trump do about it?

Trump just set his own, uncrossable 'red line' — and North Korea crossed it instantly
President Donald Trump has drawn a red line for himself by pledging to attack North Korea, but it's unlikely he will live up to his promise, experts said
The incident is seen as yet another example of Trump undermining American credibility and escalating tensions in the Korean Peninsula
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/09/tru...ne--and-north-korea-crossed-it-instantly.html

You don't get it. You and the rest of the Trumpheads are big fans of WWE bluster .. but it's pointless and seriously damaging to US credibility to have the clown continuing to bluster like a schoolboy.

There are only military options for NK, there are no military solutions for NK. The ONLY solutions lie in diplomatic efforts through the same UN that Trump hates.

Wait ,, did you mention the Russians? You love Putin, right?

Putin says putting pressure on North Korea is a 'dead-end road'

(CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin has weighed into the North Korea crisis, warning the US and others against going down a "dead-end road" and calling for talks to resolve the issue.

"Russia believes that the policy of putting pressure on Pyongyang to stop its nuclear missile program is misguided and futile," Putin said in an article released Thursday by the Kremlin, ahead of the BRICS summit in Xiamen, China.

"The region's problems should only be settled through a direct dialogue of all the parties concerned without any preconditions. Provocations, pressure and militarist and insulting rhetoric are a dead-end road," Putin said.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/31/asia/putin-north-korea/index.html

You aren't as smart about geopolitical analysis as you think you are .. or wherever you're getting this amateurish bluster from.

 

[blackascoal]

Cypress's racism has blinded his judgement and perception.

:0) .. that from an actual racist.

Pretty sure your clown comments brought a smile to Cypress's face.

 

[dukkha]

"Q.how long has NK had an ICBM that can survive re-entry"
.. that brings up a salient point.

Trump: North Korea intercontinental missile 'won't happen'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38492947

Trump's redline .. it did happen. What did Trump do about it?

Trump just set his own, uncrossable 'red line' — and North Korea crossed it instantly
President Donald Trump has drawn a red line for himself by pledging to attack North Korea, but it's unlikely he will live up to his promise, experts said
The incident is seen as yet another example of Trump undermining American credibility and escalating tensions in the Korean Peninsula
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/09/tru...ne--and-north-korea-crossed-it-instantly.html

You don't get it. You and the rest of the Trumpheads are big fans of WWE bluster .. but it's pointless and seriously damaging to US credibility to have the clown continuing to bluster like a schoolboy.

There are only military options for NK, there are no military solutions for NK. The ONLY solutions lie in diplomatic efforts through the same UN that Trump hates.

Wait ,, did you mention the Russians? You love Putin, right?

Putin says putting pressure on North Korea is a 'dead-end road'

(CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin has weighed into the North Korea crisis, warning the US and others against going down a "dead-end road" and calling for talks to resolve the issue.

"Russia believes that the policy of putting pressure on Pyongyang to stop its nuclear missile program is misguided and futile," Putin said in an article released Thursday by the Kremlin, ahead of the BRICS summit in Xiamen, China.

"The region's problems should only be settled through a direct dialogue of all the parties concerned without any preconditions. Provocations, pressure and militarist and insulting rhetoric are a dead-end road," Putin said.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/31/asia/putin-north-korea/index.html

You aren't as smart about geopolitical analysis as you think you are .. or wherever you're getting this amateurish bluster from.

the first link is back before Trump took office. NK's ICBM development has sprung forward at a staggering speed.
I think they are getting tech from Iran - who are also quickly developing the missile tech at rapid speeds
( and in violation of the P5+1 agreement) - but NK engineering looks to be good also.

I can't read your 2nd link - I'm not taking off adblock, but it looks to be a re-hash of Trump fire and fury remarks.

So what are you complaining about? the rhetoric?
Note Putin also says talks are needed without pre-conditions, but it's not like Putin has to worry about NK's nukes
~~

1. we are using the UN to sanction
2. what is there to talk about? Is there any evidence talks produce anything ? ( no)
they are just used as a stall by NK.

Once again you seem to not see how the game has changed. Now NK is talking about using an EMP weapon

How North Korea could wipe out electrical networks across the US with a high-altitude EMP blast

*North Korea warns of 'super-powerful' electro-magnetic pulse attack on US
*The secretive state tested a 100-kiloton thermonuclear weapon on Sunday
*That would be a 'city killer' bomb, five times larger than Nagasaki atomic bomb
*But detonation in the high atmosphere could create devastating EMP attack
*Potential to wipe out electrical grid over virtually all of the continental US
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Korean-EMP-attack-cripple-electric-grid.html

thermonuclear bombs
EMP blasts
ICBM improvements to re-entry survivability and terminal phase guidance
miniaturization

^ which of the above do you think we can live with? Especially with NK's constant improvements?
The days of "strategic patience" are over -that was Obama kicking the can down the road to Trump.
You can't just hope this all goes away anymore

 

[blackascoal]

the first link is back before Trump took office. NK's ICBM development has sprung forward at a staggering speed.
I think they are getting tech from Iran - who are also quickly developing the missile tech at rapid speeds
( and in violation of the P5+1 agreement) - but NK engineering looks to be good also.

I can't read your 2nd link - I'm not taking off adblock, but it looks to be a re-hash of Trump fire and fury remarks.

So what are you complaining about? the rhetoric?
Note Putin also says talks are needed without pre-conditions, but it's not like Putin has to worry about NK's nukes
~~

1. we are using the UN to sanction
2. what is there to talk about? Is there any evidence talks produce anything ? ( no)
they are just used as a stall by NK.

Once again you seem to not see how the game has changed. Now NK is talking about using an EMP weapon

How North Korea could wipe out electrical networks across the US with a high-altitude EMP blast

*North Korea warns of 'super-powerful' electro-magnetic pulse attack on US
*The secretive state tested a 100-kiloton thermonuclear weapon on Sunday
*That would be a 'city killer' bomb, five times larger than Nagasaki atomic bomb
*But detonation in the high atmosphere could create devastating EMP attack
*Potential to wipe out electrical grid over virtually all of the continental US
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Korean-EMP-attack-cripple-electric-grid.html

thermonuclear bombs
EMP blasts
ICBM improvements to re-entry survivability and terminal phase guidance
miniaturization

^ which of the above do you think we can live with? Especially with NK's constant improvements?
The days of "strategic patience" are over -that was Obama kicking the can down the road to Trump.
You can't just hope this all goes away anymore

SEE OBAMA AND THE IRANIAN NUKE DEAL.

Iran nuclear: Trump extends Obama's 'worst deal ever'
MAY 2017
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39950827

Trump grudgingly admits Obama’s Iran nuclear deal is working
JULY 2017
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-grudgingly-admits-obamas-iran-nuclear-deal-working

In under 2 months, Trump was forced to change his position on a landmark deal that halted Iran's nuke program that both he and YOU have claimed were bad deals. Quite obviously neither Trump nor you knew what you were talking about.

Global diplomacy .. not tweeting out childish attacks on your allies .. is the only way to peace.

Bluster is just bullshit for lemming clowns, not serious foreign policy. That requires the adults.

 

[dukkha]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Korean-EMP-attack-cripple-electric-grid.html
theoretically, a sufficiently powerful bomb detonated at an altitude of 249 miles would wipe out all electronics in the US, save the southernmost top of Florida and the easternmost states - as well as affecting Canada and Mexico.

That altitude is roughly the orbit of the International Space Station and other low-Earth orbit satellites.

North Korea has already demonstrated its ability to reach this altitude with two satellite launches, in 2012 and 2016, which some experts believe were tests of an EMP launch trajectory.

'EMP is one of the small number of threats that can hold our society at risk of catastrophic consequences,' William Graham, chairman of the Commission To Assess The Threat To The US From An EMP Attack, told Congress in 2012.

'Our vulnerability is increasing daily, as our use and dependence on electronics and automated systems continues to grow.'

 

[dukkha]

SEE OBAMA AND THE IRANIAN NUKE DEAL.

Iran nuclear: Trump extends Obama's 'worst deal ever'
MAY 2017
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39950827

Trump grudgingly admits Obama’s Iran nuclear deal is working
JULY 2017
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-grudgingly-admits-obamas-iran-nuclear-deal-working

In under 2 months, Trump was forced to change his position on a landmark deal that halted Iran's nuke program that both he and YOU have claimed were bad deals. Quite obviously neither Trump nor you knew what you were talking about.

Global diplomacy .. not tweeting out childish attacks on your allies .. is the only way to peace.

Bluster is just bullshit for lemming clowns, not serious foreign policy. That requires the adults.

it IS a shiitty deal-what did we get from Iran run-wild in the middle east with a geo-political alliance w/Russia?

While there is some delay on their nukes they are going full bore out on the ICBM technology
*hey maybe that AEGIS system we deployed in Romania was prescient and was not just done to yoke Putin?*
~~
Trump changed his mind ( although no guarantees State will continue to certify it) because
the deal was so FRONT LOADED with PLANELOADS OF CASH TO IRAN that certification or not
doesn't really matter anymore?

 

[blackascoal]

it IS a shiitty deal-what did we get from Iran run-wild in the middle east with a geo-political alliance w/Russia?

While there is some delay on their nukes they are going full bore out on the ICBM technology
*hey maybe that AEGIS system we deployed in Romania was prescient and was not just done to yoke Putin?*
~~
Trump changed his mind ( although no guarantees State will continue to certify it) because
the deal was so FRONT LOADED with PLANELOADS OF CASH TO IRAN that certification or not
doesn't really matter anymore?

Surely Trump could have easily just blustered Iran into a better deal .. given how well that bullshit is working for him on North Korea .. red lines and such. :0)

Dude, you understand nothing.

 

[dukkha]

Surely Trump could have easily just blustered Iran into a better deal .. given how well that bullshit is working for him on North Korea .. red lines and such. :0)

Dude, you understand nothing.

WTF are you talking about? The deal was set before Trump took office.

The Obama administration REFUSED TO LINK Iranian behavior ( besides nukes) to the deal
so Iran continues it's hegemonic ways unchecked and flush with new cash

That allows their expeditionary forces to continue their Shi'a Crescent domination.
It allows them to fund the Houthis in Yemen, etc.

 

[dukkha]

I seriously cannot think of ANY Obama foreign policy "wins"

 

[dukkha]

Crimea- which I do not blame solely on Obama since NATO expansion happened before his watch
but his meddling in the Euromaiden did directly effect the outcomes

Syria- refusing to even talk to Putin effectively shuts us out of any peace negotiations

Egyptian sanctions -unwanted or needed and opening up Egypt trade/weapons purchases to Putin

Iran deal

Libyan destruction

,,,,, did I miss any?

 

[blackascoal]

WTF are you talking about? The deal was set before Trump took office.

The Obama administration REFUSED TO LINK Iranian behavior ( besides nukes) to the deal
so Iran continues it's hegemonic ways unchecked and flush with new cash

That allows their expeditionary forces to continue their Shi'a Crescent domination.
It allows them to fund the Houthis in Yemen, etc.

Who said it wasn't?

I'm responding to your stupid claim that it was a 'shitty deal'

NEWSFLASH: It's working ..

 

[blackascoal]

Iran nuclear talks: 'Historic' agreement struck

World powers have reached a deal with Iran on limiting Iranian nuclear activity in return for the lifting of international economic sanctions.

US President Barack Obama said that with the deal, "every pathway to a nuclear weapon is cut off" for Iran.

And President Hassan Rouhani said the "historic" deal opened a "new chapter" in Iran's relations with the world.

Negotiations between Iran and six world powers - the US, UK, France, China, Russia and Germany - began in 2006.

The so-called P5+1 want Iran to scale back its sensitive nuclear activities to ensure that it cannot build a nuclear weapon.

Iran, which wants crippling international sanctions lifted, has always insisted that its nuclear work is peaceful.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33518524

 

[Bigdog]

:0) .. that from an actual racist.

Pretty sure your clown comments brought a smile to Cypress's face.

Gee, my name is BAC ... if only Hitler had nukes he wouldn't have got a bullet in the head. Therefore, all countries should have nukes.

Stupid, stupid rationale. .

Racism is a Socialist plank.

 

[blackascoal]

Gee, my name is BAC ... if only Hitler had nukes he wouldn't have got a bullet in the head. Therefore, all countries should have nukes.

Stupid, stupid rationale. .

Racism is a Socialist plank.

:0) A ignorant racist clown upset because his sheet if off.

Priceless.

Obviously you don't know the definition of rationale either. :0) Are you supposed to be an example of 'white supremacy?'

 

[Bigdog]

:0) A ignorant racist clown upset because his sheet if off.

Priceless.

Obviously you don't know the definition of rationale either. :0) Are you supposed to be an example of 'white supremacy?'

The Socialist racists traded in their sheets for hoodies, bandanas and sunglasses.

White Supremacy? You're the one that wants massa lib whitey to feed, clothe, and house you.

 

[blackascoal]

The Socialist racists traded in their sheets for hoodies, bandanas and sunglasses.

White Supremacy? You're the one that wants massa lib whitey to feed, clothe, and house you.

Sure dummy, everyone knows it bandana wearing socialists who are the real racists in this country.

As far as my needing to beg white people

 

[dukkha]

Who said it wasn't?

I'm responding to your stupid claim that it was a 'shitty deal'

NEWSFLASH: It's working ..

^ incredible ignoring of the events

Iran will soon have ICBMs armed with nukes by way of North Korea.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...-way-north-korea-team-trump-must-act-now.html
the Trump administration is now facing a much bigger problem: the potential for North Korea and Iran to collaborate on long-range missile technology that can be used to strike our allies and the homeland.

In many respects, the evidence is right out in the open of past collaboration, according to some experts.

In an interview with Fox News, Jeffrey Lewis, an expert at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey explained that “the very first missiles we saw in Iran were simply copies of North Korean missiles.” He also noted that “over the years, we've seen photographs of North Korean and Iranian officials in each other's countries, and we've seen all kinds of common hardware.”

Many experts have been warning for years now that Tehran and Pyongyang have been trading missile technology.

Breakout time isn't unlmited -Obama claims it delayed Iran's nuclear developments by about a decade-
it's probably much sooner since we can't inspect their military facilities

Iran laid the groundwork to develop nuclear weapons on a moment's notice
Moreover, even now there are signs Iran in the long-term has no plans to abandon its nuclear program—and all that implies for the possible development of nuclear weapons.

Iran “has the capability to initiate mass production of advanced centrifuges on short notice.” Centrifuges are the machinery that enriches uranium and creates the fissile material needed to make a nuclear weapon.

While Iran may make the specious claim it has the right to do so in coming years, on practical grounds there should be no reason for Iran to devote resources to this activity if it does not intend, as it so claims, to pursue a nuclear weapons capability. Mass production of advanced centrifuges, if carried out, would give Iran a decided advantage if it wanted to shorten a rush to a nuclear weapon.

Similarly, Iran continues to develop its ballistic missile program,
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...he-groundwork-to-develop-nuclear-weapons-on-a

there is also evidence Iran and North Korea use the same type of ballistic missile development in the rapid development of NKs ICBMs

 

[dukkha]

Iran violating U.S. deal with secret nukes research, opposition group says
Iran is cheating on its historical deal with the U.S. by secretly conducting research into nuclear weapons components such as bomb triggers and enriched uranium, the main Iranian opposition group said Friday.

The regime is doing engineering and weaponization testing at a walled military complex south of Tehran,

The NCRI-MEK report came the day after Secretary of State Rex Tillerson lambasted Iran for its expansionist terrorist activities in the region which he said violated the spirit of the JCPOA. He called the deal a “failed approach” since Iran can break out and build bombs after 10 years.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/21/iran-cheat-deal-nuclear-research-opposition-group/