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So, not even a vague idea regarding how we would have engaged NK militarily over the past decade or so?
Got it. Thanks for the great input. Keep on solving those world problems.
NK backs down on Guam
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So, not even a vague idea regarding how we would have engaged NK militarily over the past decade or so?
Got it. Thanks for the great input. Keep on solving those world problems.
no.what we need is effective foreign policy ..here it is.
how do you know it was an"empty threat?" Do you think maybe-just possibly- lil Kim backed down because of the pushback from Trump w/implied military action?
But that would mean giving a win to Trump on foreign policy - and a very big defusing of a threat.
We can't have that -can we??
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Where?
What is different today from a month ago? The situation that Trump created went away?
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how do you know it was an"empty threat?" Do you think maybe-just possibly- lil Kim backed down because of the pushback from Trump w/implied military action?
But that would mean giving a win to Trump on foreign policy - and a very big defusing of a threat.
We can't have that -can we??
Have you observed Kim at all over the years?
I'm not holding my breathe with anticipation. damn the torpedors -never credit Trump.
That would be a violation of "the resistance"
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I sincerely hope you know how funny and satisfying your anger is to us, that you have been driven to the edge of insanity by Trump being your president.
disengenous bullshit for you to say "Trump created the situation". Lil Kim was doing the threats.
It's not over, but this round is thanks to standing up to a threat
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Trump acted like a petulant child (as usual), and you're upset we're not giving him "credit."
What was the threat? Attacking Guam? Refresh my memory - how did that come about again?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ike-nuclear-missile-kim-jong-un-a7883516.html
so the ICBM attacks on Japan..Trump should not have said anything?
The fact Kim is an existential threat now - and not before the ICBMS- Trump should just stay quiet?
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It may be hard to believe, but there are quite a few options between "staying quiet" and vowing to unleash "fire and fury" the likes of which the "world has never seen."
I can't believe that people think the latter is sound policy.
North Korea Crisis: How Events Have Unfolded Under Trump
( for those who have amnesia)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-crisis-how-events-have-unfolded-under-trump-n753996
he isolated country is barred by United Nations resolutions from carrying out ballistic missile tests or from having a nuclear arms program. Nonetheless, North Korea thumbed its nose at the resolutions — conducting several ballistic missile tests this year alone and five nuclear tests since 2006, including two last year.
The defiant stance has led Trump to ratchet up the rhetoric — promising to show North Korea "fire and fury" if it continues on a perilous path with even more missile tests.
The regime fired its first intercontinental ballistic missile on July 4, a significant step forward in its weapons program. The United States blasted the move, firing warning missiles and vowing to hold Pyongyang accountable at the United Nations.
July 4: North Korea fires its first intercontinental ballistic missile. The regime declares itself a “proud nuclear state.” The ICBM would have a range of at least 3,500 miles – and be capable of reaching Alaska. In response, the United States and South Korea fire missiles into South Korea’s territorial waters off the east coast — moves that could be seen as a warning message.
July 6: Trump vows to "confront very strongly" the regime's "very, very bad behavior" in test-launching missiles. "I have some pretty severe things that we’re thinking about," he tells reporters in Poland. "Something will have to be done."
July 7: Two U.S. B-1B Lancer bombers fly from Guam to the Korean peninsula where they "practiced attack capabilities by releasing inert weapons at the Pilsung Range" in South Korea. Two U.S. military officials said it was intended to "send a clear message" to North Korea following the ICBM test.
July 21: The U.S. State Department announced that American citizens would soon be banned from traveling to North Korea. The "geographical travel restriction" would take effect late August. It would include certain restrictions for "humanitarian" reasons. The travel ban was announced a month after Warmbier's death.
July 28: North Korea fires its second intercontinental ballistic missile. It flew approximately 1,000 kilometers and landed in the Sea of Japan within Japan's exclusive economic zone, according to the Pentagon. "We cannot accept these repeated provocations by North Korea and we made our protest to the North Koreans using the strongest words possible," a Japanese government spokesman said.
Pentagon: North Korea Launches Another Ballistic Missile 1:29
July 29: The United States tested its Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system in Alaska, which successfully detected, tracked and intercepted a ballistic missile.
July 30: The United States and allies flew supersonic bombers and fighter jets over the Korean Peninsula during a 10-hour show of force against North Korea. Trump and Abe spoke, with the U.S. president assuring the Japanese prime minister that the United States stood by its ally. Abe later said he "fully agreed" with Trump that China should do more to stop North Korea's weapons program.
Aug. 2: The U.S. military successfully test-launched an ICBM from California, just days after the North Korean test. An Air Force statement said the test was not a response to the North Korean action, but show that America's nuclear enterprise is "safe, secure, effective and ready to be able to deter, detect and defend against attacks on the United States and its allies." The ICBM was equipped with a test reentry vehicle, which officials said showed it traveled about 4,200 miles to the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands.
Aug. 5: The U.N. Security unanimously approved tough new sanctions against North Korea due to its weapons program. The sanctions include a ban on coal and other exports that are worth over $1 billion. Nikki Haley, the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N., called it "the most stringent set of sanctions on any country in a generation."
Aug. 7: North Korea responds to the sanctions with a statement vowing to respond to the United States with a "severe lesson" with nuclear force if Washington responds with military action.
Aug. 8: Trump promised "fire and fury like the world has never seen" if North Korea continues to threaten nuclear action. "They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," he said during a press availability at his Bedminster Golf Club.
The remarks came shortly after it was revealed that U.S. intelligence agencies believe North Korea could put a nuclear weapon on a missile. A U.S. official said this doesn't mean that North Korea has fielded a nuclear-tipped ICBM; they still have to establish that they can deliver a weapon that survives reentry. After Trump's comments, North Korea announced it was "seriously reviewing" a plan to strike near the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles.
Aug. 9: Tillerson, en route to Guam for a refueling stop after visiting Asia, backed Trump's "fire and fury" remarks. But he denied there was an imminent threat, saying, "I think Americans should sleep well at night."
Aug. 10: Trump doubled down on his previous promise of "fire and fury," telling reporters that maybe that statement wasn't "tough enough." He later said that he was watching the situation in Guam closely.
Aug. 11: Trump continues his heated rhetoric against North Korea, tweeting that, "Military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely. Hopefully Kim Jong Un will find another path!"
( for those who have amnesia)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-crisis-how-events-have-unfolded-under-trump-n753996
he isolated country is barred by United Nations resolutions from carrying out ballistic missile tests or from having a nuclear arms program. Nonetheless, North Korea thumbed its nose at the resolutions — conducting several ballistic missile tests this year alone and five nuclear tests since 2006, including two last year.
The defiant stance has led Trump to ratchet up the rhetoric — promising to show North Korea "fire and fury" if it continues on a perilous path with even more missile tests.
The regime fired its first intercontinental ballistic missile on July 4, a significant step forward in its weapons program. The United States blasted the move, firing warning missiles and vowing to hold Pyongyang accountable at the United Nations.
July 4: North Korea fires its first intercontinental ballistic missile. The regime declares itself a “proud nuclear state.” The ICBM would have a range of at least 3,500 miles – and be capable of reaching Alaska. In response, the United States and South Korea fire missiles into South Korea’s territorial waters off the east coast — moves that could be seen as a warning message.
July 6: Trump vows to "confront very strongly" the regime's "very, very bad behavior" in test-launching missiles. "I have some pretty severe things that we’re thinking about," he tells reporters in Poland. "Something will have to be done."
July 7: Two U.S. B-1B Lancer bombers fly from Guam to the Korean peninsula where they "practiced attack capabilities by releasing inert weapons at the Pilsung Range" in South Korea. Two U.S. military officials said it was intended to "send a clear message" to North Korea following the ICBM test.
July 21: The U.S. State Department announced that American citizens would soon be banned from traveling to North Korea. The "geographical travel restriction" would take effect late August. It would include certain restrictions for "humanitarian" reasons. The travel ban was announced a month after Warmbier's death.
July 28: North Korea fires its second intercontinental ballistic missile. It flew approximately 1,000 kilometers and landed in the Sea of Japan within Japan's exclusive economic zone, according to the Pentagon. "We cannot accept these repeated provocations by North Korea and we made our protest to the North Koreans using the strongest words possible," a Japanese government spokesman said.
Pentagon: North Korea Launches Another Ballistic Missile 1:29
July 29: The United States tested its Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system in Alaska, which successfully detected, tracked and intercepted a ballistic missile.
July 30: The United States and allies flew supersonic bombers and fighter jets over the Korean Peninsula during a 10-hour show of force against North Korea. Trump and Abe spoke, with the U.S. president assuring the Japanese prime minister that the United States stood by its ally. Abe later said he "fully agreed" with Trump that China should do more to stop North Korea's weapons program.
Aug. 2: The U.S. military successfully test-launched an ICBM from California, just days after the North Korean test. An Air Force statement said the test was not a response to the North Korean action, but show that America's nuclear enterprise is "safe, secure, effective and ready to be able to deter, detect and defend against attacks on the United States and its allies." The ICBM was equipped with a test reentry vehicle, which officials said showed it traveled about 4,200 miles to the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands.
Aug. 5: The U.N. Security unanimously approved tough new sanctions against North Korea due to its weapons program. The sanctions include a ban on coal and other exports that are worth over $1 billion. Nikki Haley, the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N., called it "the most stringent set of sanctions on any country in a generation."
Aug. 7: North Korea responds to the sanctions with a statement vowing to respond to the United States with a "severe lesson" with nuclear force if Washington responds with military action.
Aug. 8: Trump promised "fire and fury like the world has never seen" if North Korea continues to threaten nuclear action. "They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," he said during a press availability at his Bedminster Golf Club.
The remarks came shortly after it was revealed that U.S. intelligence agencies believe North Korea could put a nuclear weapon on a missile. A U.S. official said this doesn't mean that North Korea has fielded a nuclear-tipped ICBM; they still have to establish that they can deliver a weapon that survives reentry. After Trump's comments, North Korea announced it was "seriously reviewing" a plan to strike near the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles.
Aug. 9: Tillerson, en route to Guam for a refueling stop after visiting Asia, backed Trump's "fire and fury" remarks. But he denied there was an imminent threat, saying, "I think Americans should sleep well at night."
Aug. 10: Trump doubled down on his previous promise of "fire and fury," telling reporters that maybe that statement wasn't "tough enough." He later said that he was watching the situation in Guam closely.
Aug. 11: Trump continues his heated rhetoric against North Korea, tweeting that, "Military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely. Hopefully Kim Jong Un will find another path!"
no. we did the same during the Cold War.
we warned of "massive retaliation" if the Soviet Union used ICBM's.
You can't dither around. you have to set clear red lines
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red lines are something liberals do not understand, pink lines , yes
Callinectes
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NOBODY DID .. including the Cheetos Clown.
Kim does this all the time.
Wait .. you think he was really going to attack Guam?
Personally, I never thought he was gonna ATTACK Guam, but I did think he might launch a few in their direction as a "test". The problem there is primitive guidance systems. When he launches these things, it's like giving a drunk blind man a rifle with a scope on it. There's always a chance you're not going to hit what you're aiming at. Face it. Someone blinked and it wasn't Trump. And you're right, dumpling boy does this all the time, but I have NEVER heard an American president respond simply with a threat of force before. Trump 1-Dumpling Boy, Obama, Bush and Clinton 0
jmotivator
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Your irony is intense. No, this exchange hasn't happened before. Let me run you though how this used to be done versus how this played out:
Old way:
1) North Korea does something aggressive, tests a bomb, launches a test missile..
2) President and Western World tell him to stop while China and Russia stay quiet
3) North Korea issues demands before they will stop (money, food, etc.)
4) Western Nations capitulate, give NK what hey want, and NK continues building nukes
How it happened this time:
1) North Korea does something aggressive, tests a bomb, launches a test missile..
2) POTUS unilaterally threatens NK and demands a stop of aggression
3) North Korea assumes the current POTUS is like other POTUS and ups the threat
4) POTUS ups the threat again and turns to China and Russia
5) China and Russia blink and decide to back POTUS and agree to sanctions
6) NK, still not getting it, float the idea of an attack on Guam
7) POTUS doesn't budge
8) NK backs down, having not only not gotten any concessions, but earned some new sanctions
What do you think the chances are that the NK regime will challenge the current POTUS again? The current POTUS has sent a clear message to the NK regime that under the current POTUS they can only lose in such stand-offs.
i do not automatically believe it- but there is a straight line from the Uk manufacturer to the type of engines
we think they have.
It's a much simpler assessment then the garbage thrown together by Clapper- not that he can't be correct
but his non-classified assessment was long on speculations with the FBI not doing the investigation
You automatically don't believe it but you believe it
oh okay
Althea
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Excellent idea. You have no idea what you're talking about
Althea
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Is English your first language?