Nine out of ten economists agree: Sports stadium subsidies are dumb

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Posted on April 1, 2013 by Neil deMause

The Tampa Bay Times ran a story on Saturday headlined “How much do the Tampa Bay Rays boost the local economy?“, and for once, this one talked to actual economists. The result was an article that provides an excellent primer on how it is exactly that despite all the people you see attending games and spending money, study after study shows that sports teams have minimal economic impact.


Do local economies see increased activity when a sports team is playing?


In 2008, [Holy Cross economist Victor] Matheson studied sports projects from across the country to see if taxable sales rose after stadiums were built. The study also examined whether tax collections dipped when sports leagues shut down for strikes or lockouts.


“There was simply not any bump at all,” Matheson said.


But what happens to all that money that fans are spending, then?


When a couple spends $100 for dinner and a movie, much of that money goes to waiters, ticket takers and other local workers and suppliers. Those people, in turn, spend their paychecks on rent, food and other sectors of the local economy.


Each dollar of original spending can contribute $3 to $4 to economic activity and job creation.


Professional sports mute this ripple effect.


“Spending that goes on inside a stadium tends to flow into the pockets of a relatively few, high-income individuals who live a large portion of the year outside the city,” [University of Maryland economist Dennis] Coates said. “Much of that money flows out.”


What about all those economic impact studies released by the teams that show massive tourism revenues as the result of sports spending?


One, commissioned by the Rays, noted that 160,000 tickets were bought via credit cards with out-of-state addresses — presumably tourists. Since the average Florida tourist spent $775 on their visit, the study estimated that the Rays added $122 million to the economy. The actual impact could be higher, the study suggested, because the credit card count did not capture cash-paying tourists.


However, this methodology failed to distinguish between tourists coming specifically for Rays games and tourists who came for other reasons and just happened to take in a ball game.


“A person in town to visit relatives or attend a business meeting or conference is already in town,” said Matheson, the Holy Cross professor. “That visitor would have stayed in a hotel room, gone out to dinner, even if the Rays had not had a game.”


The economists note other reasons why sports spending is overblown (some studies could be double-counting fans for each game that they attend even if they’re in town for an entire series, among other things); the whole article is worth reading. And when you’re done with that, check out Shadow of the Stadium’s rundown of other reports on how economists nearly unanimously agree that stadium subsidies are a really, really bad idea. Not that economists are always right, but it should if nothing else put the burden of proof on team owners to show why the heck they should be getting hundreds of millions of dollars in public cash, when nobody can spot any significant public benefits.
 
What these subsidies boil down to is taxpayers subsidizing wealthy peoples entertainment. Economist aside, if a pro-sports club is such a great business proposition it should be able to stand on its own merit as a business. Why would it need subsidies from taxpayers?
 
What these subsidies boil down to is taxpayers subsidizing wealthy peoples entertainment. Economist aside, if a pro-sports club is such a great business proposition it should be able to stand on its own merit as a business. Why would it need subsidies from taxpayers?

Economically I agree these teams should support themselves. The San Francisco Giants showed how a stadium can be built and succeed with private money only so it can be done. From a reality situation don't we subsidize the 'arts' in the name of community and culture? This makes me a hypocrite but if we subsidized the arts with tax dollars I'm fine with that money going to sports stadiums instead.
 
What these subsidies boil down to is taxpayers subsidizing wealthy peoples entertainment. Economist aside, if a pro-sports club is such a great business proposition it should be able to stand on its own merit as a business. Why would it need subsidies from taxpayers?

You don't think poor and lower class people enjoy sports? They may not be able to attend a game but many of them sure do support their local teams.
 
Economically I agree these teams should support themselves. The San Francisco Giants showed how a stadium can be built and succeed with private money only so it can be done. From a reality situation don't we subsidize the 'arts' in the name of community and culture? This makes me a hypocrite but if we subsidized the arts with tax dollars I'm fine with that money going to sports stadiums instead.

Agree. And while, as Mott says, sports are "wealthy peoples [sic] entertainment," sports also provide entertainment for plenty of poor folks. While they might not get to attend games in person, plenty enjoy games in various (TV, radio, fantasy games, etc.) ways. Besides I like to watch a good football game much mor than I want to see some ballet or opera.mi know that doesn't make me the cultured snob so many [liberals] would like me to be but, hey! that's me. :)
 
What these subsidies boil down to is taxpayers subsidizing wealthy peoples entertainment. Economist aside, if a pro-sports club is such a great business proposition it should be able to stand on its own merit as a business. Why would it need subsidies from taxpayers?
You subsidize a lot of things for the wealthy!
 
Economically I agree these teams should support themselves. The San Francisco Giants showed how a stadium can be built and succeed with private money only so it can be done. From a reality situation don't we subsidize the 'arts' in the name of community and culture? This makes me a hypocrite but if we subsidized the arts with tax dollars I'm fine with that money going to sports stadiums instead.

The money that goes to the arts is small potatoes and this sort of attitude leads to growing budget problems as everybody demands a piece of the taxpayer for their favorite welfare recipients.
 
The money that goes to the arts is small potatoes and this sort of attitude leads to growing budget problems as everybody demands a piece of the taxpayer for their favorite welfare recipients.

Sports is my "arts" so if the government is determined to spend money on the arts I want it to go to sports.
 
Sports is my "arts" so if the government is determined to spend money on the arts I want it to go to sports.

Like I said, this sort of attitude turns into everybody pilling on to steal from the taxpayers. Fuck your arts. Pay for em yourself.
 
Like I said, this sort of attitude turns into everybody pilling on to steal from the taxpayers. Fuck your arts. Pay for em yourself.

I already stated I think sports stadiums should be paid for themselves. I gave the Giants stadium as an example. So don't get mad at me.
 
The money that goes to the arts is small potatoes and this sort of attitude leads to growing budget problems as everybody demands a piece of the taxpayer for their favorite welfare recipients.

People who watch/participate/benefit in and from the arts are small potatoes compared to those who watch/participate/benefit in and from sports. When their small potatoes are done away with then take the sports subsidies away. Until then ...

I really don't even care here. I would rather neither get subsidized but I hate it when I hear how what goes to the arts doesn't amount to much.
 
I already stated I think sports stadiums should be paid for themselves. I gave the Giants stadium as an example. So don't get mad at me.

I am not mad at you. I just think that rationale is a bad one. It leads to more and more government. Get rid of funding for the arts if its an issue. Don't exacerbate and entrench it by subsidizing more things.

I am a sports fan and have been to a lot more games than I have been to events at our Performing Arts Center. I don't think the latter is getting much in way of taxes, though.
 
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People who watch/participate/benefit in and from the arts are small potatoes compared to those who watch/participate/benefit in and from sports. When their small potatoes are done away with then take the sports subsidies away. Until then ...

I really don't even care here. I would rather neither get subsidized but I hate it when I hear how what goes to the arts doesn't amount to much.

That is stupid. It just leads to more and more interest groups lining up for their turn at the government bonanza and more people who are diminished not benefiting.
 
Economically I agree these teams should support themselves. The San Francisco Giants showed how a stadium can be built and succeed with private money only so it can be done. From a reality situation don't we subsidize the 'arts' in the name of community and culture? This makes me a hypocrite but if we subsidized the arts with tax dollars I'm fine with that money going to sports stadiums instead.
I have no problem with that if you have a community consensus but when it's being sold as a business plan, well then if it's such a great business deal why would it need subsidies?

They tried that crap here in Columbus with our NHL Hockey Team. Wanted the taxpayers of Franklin County to pay for a new arena. It was put up for a vote and the community consensus to that this was not worth raising taxes. That it was, in essence, subsidizing entertainment for the affluent and that this was not an appropriate use of the tax payers dollars.

After it was voted down, Nationwide Insurance stepped forward with the capital to build the new Arena. The arena certainly has benefited business in the downtown area and it did it without subsidies from the taxpayers.

Anyways, when we discuss doint such a thing for public services it's called socialism. Isn't this a form of reverse socialism?
 
another clear example of how idiots can be led to believe anything from the mouths of politicians. GW Bush still owes the city of Arlington over 7 million for for ranger stadium. Jerry Jones got half a billion for his cowboy stadium and the tax revenue isn't what they said it was going to be.
 
another clear example of how idiots can be led to believe anything from the mouths of politicians. GW Bush still owes the city of Arlington over 7 million for for ranger stadium. Jerry Jones got half a billion for his cowboy stadium and the tax revenue isn't what they said it was going to be.

This. This is why I am against such subsidies. Still like my Dallas Cowboys though. :)
 
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