Nice healthcare rules

The guidance, drawn up by the Nuffield Council, is not compulsory but advises doctors that medical intervention for very premature children is not in the best interests of the baby, and is not 'standard practice'.

Miss Capewell, who has had five miscarriages
 
Tinfoil is an admitted racist and a global warming denier. It shouldn't surprise anyone he can read a story about an unrelated healthcare system and a non-mandatory decision and call it proof that government healthcare systems are inherently evil.

Tinfoil please kill yourself.
 
tinfoil said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gives-birth-just-days-22-week-care-limit.html

Sad story. Sick rules. Only governemnt could devise such uncaring healthcare

Fuck, you goverment healthcare people are a sick breed.
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Good job this kind of thing would never occur in the US, isn't it?

Oh hang on a minute.

From your article printed in the horrendous Daily Mail
The guidelines were drawn up by the Nuffield Council on Bioethics after a two-year inquiry which took evidence from doctors, nurses and religious leaders.

But weeks before they were published in 2006, a child was born in the U.S. which proved a baby could survive at earlier than 22 weeks if it was given medical treatment.

Amillia Taylor was born in Florida on October 24, 2006, after just 21 weeks and six days in the womb. She celebrated her second birthday last year.

Doctors believed she was a week older and so gave her intensive care, but later admitted she would not have received treatment if they had known her true age.
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And curse you for making me read that god-awful shitrag of a newspaper.
 
odd....I recall when debating the issue of statistics on infant mortality in the US I mentioned that the EU had a policy of not attempting care for children that didn't meet certain requirements and I was told I was a liar.....go figure....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
odd....I recall when debating the issue of statistics on infant mortality in the US I mentioned that the EU had a policy of not attempting care for children that didn't meet certain requirements and I was told I was a liar.....go figure....
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Maybe that's because the EU doesn't set domestic health policy?
 
Do any of you brilliant folks have any clue what the standard practice is in the United States for premature babies born at a gestational age of 22 weeks or fewer?
 
Here's how the present health care system operates.

(Excerpt) Charleston, West Virginia: Johanna Ridenour is a part of the president's fight-back. Democrats want people to tell their own stories about the shortcomings of America's health care system. She has answered the call of public radio in West Virginia and wants people to know what she has been through. She's a bright and bubbly student, who looks much younger than her 24 years. Except for her hands, which are twisted like an old woman's by arthritis, a condition she has had since she was 16............

When she had a job and health insurance, it was nearly worthless to her. It covered $500 worth of prescription drugs. That would buy her enough of her main medicine for two weeks but she needs lots of other pills as well.

She managed to get onto a programme run by a drug company which gave her a free supply. But the corporate road to hell is paved with good intentions: their programme was designed for those without cover, and when they found out she had insurance, the free drugs stopped. For more than a year she was in agony, her mother had to carry her to the bathroom and she could only walk on crutches......

She says: "Medicine and health should not be a business and it should not be about money... When did people become so selfish that because someone doesn't make as much money as them, they should die?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/

When did people become so selfish that because someone doesn't make as much money as them, they should die?"

Check out her picture. If I was 30 years younger.......
 
"Only governemnt could devise such uncaring healthcare"

The denials of healthcare via quota & manufacturing excuses about pre-existing conditions by insurance companies are legendary.

What country do you live in?
 
tinfoil said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gives-birth-just-days-22-week-care-limit.html

Sad story. Sick rules. Only governemnt could devise such uncaring healthcare

Fuck, you goverment healthcare people are a sick breed.
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1) The Daily Mail, I think, is a reactionary Murdoch publication

2) The intelligent and educated posters on the thread schooled you on the extent to which it's feasible and possible to provide medical treatment to a baby born this premature.

3) You obviously appear to believe that private, for-profit insurance companies are compassionate and caring. I hope you never get cancer or diabetes and are reduced to shopping for insurance on the internet, or pleading with an insurance agent to cover you. Has Medicare ever kicked anyone off for having pre-existing conditions? I think not.

4) You're a racist.



TINFOIL, July 2009: "FUCK YOU NIGGERS!!!"
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PostmodernProphet said:
document a "standard practice" in the US....
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You can check the endnotes in the article for sourcing. And I'd just note for the record that 21 weeks and 6 days is the youngest premature baby to ever have survived. I'd also note that the UK has guidelines for care - much like private hospitals in the US have - not strict rules.


Decisions to initiate or forgo intensive care for extremely premature infants are highly controversial. In some centers, intensive care is provided to all very premature infants. In most centers, intensive care is provided selectively on the basis of specific gestational-age thresholds. Such care is likely to be routinely administered at 25 weeks’ gestation but may be provided only with parental agreement at 23 to 24 weeks, and only “comfort care” may be given at 22 weeks.
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http://www.aap.org/nrp/pdf/Tyson-NEJM.pdf
 
PostmodernProphet said:
ah, my mistake then....I should have said "one of those chunks of land that banded together to call themselves the EU so people wouldn't forget who they were"......
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That would have been a little better as all those bits of land all have different healthcare services, governments, and guidelines on the healthcare those governments provide.

It also saves you from looking like you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
 
TurdFerguson said:
You can check the endnotes in the article for sourcing. And I'd just note for the record that 21 weeks and 6 days is the youngest premature baby to ever have survived. I'd also note that the UK has guidelines for care - much like private hospitals in the US have - not strict rules.




http://www.aap.org/nrp/pdf/Tyson-NEJM.pdf
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the introduction to the article shows there is no uniform standard in the US.......each hospital makes it's own choices....and that likely in conjunction with the parent's wishes....
 
charver said:
That would have been a little better as all those bits of land all have different healthcare services, governments, and guidelines on the healthcare those governments provide.

It also saves you from looking like you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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except that the article in the opening post showed that I did know what I'm talking about.....
 
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