Newtown - the case for seeing the photos

[Red Mule]

I'm guessing geography is not your strong suite either.

LOL !!!

 

[Jarod]

The photos should be released if the families agree.

I certainty will not willingly look at them.

 

[Rune]

I'm guessing geography is not your strong suite either.

Since you couldn't figure it out on your own, I mispelled your name on purpose, as a sign of the disdain I feel for you.

In other words, I don't respect you enough to spell your name correctly.

 

[Rune]

Ok, I'm trying to catch up here -

But the German govt would have killed Jews even if the Jews still had guns. Look at our country - no confiscation, but we've killed Indians; we've locked up Jews; we killed the people in Waco; we blew up houses in Philadelphia; we've locked up polygamists in mass raids; we killed Eric Weaver (think that's the right name)

And that was with no confiscation of guns. What Hitler did or didn't do re gun control has no application to this country; and it doesn't matter if you have guns - if the govt wants you, it will get you.

What protects you in this country is our system of laws and our courts - doesn't always work, sometimes takes a long time, but it's more sure than the guns you clutch in your hands.

I actually have to go on a business trip for the rest of the day, but I will go over this with you later, if you so desire.

 

[Bfgrn]

So far this week, only Seiara or whatever her name is.
You can choose to believe that creeping, ever increasing gun control efforts do not have an end game in mind if you like.

History tells me otherwise, and I trust history more than a mouth foaming retard who doesn't recognize his own brethren.

You idiot sectors of the liberal faction cost us the 2000 election with disasterous results for the entire world.
Keep helping the GOP stay in power, moron.

OK, I am going to refrain from insults and see if we can have a civil talk.

1) Sierra has a right to an opinion. But that is all it is. That opinion has no backing from conservatives and almost no backing from liberals. And Sierra is not a Congressman or Senator.

2) History...what history, Germany, Poland, Zimbabwe? You can only look at American history. If you look at the American history of gun legislation, there is absolutely no basis for any fear of "creeping, ever increasing gun control." My God, the Senate couldn't even pass universal background checks, something that over 90% of the citizens support. And that Manchin-Toomey bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a registry and creates a new penalty for misusing records to create a registry - a felony punishable by 15 years in prison. In fact, a registry was already outlawed, and the amendment extra outlawed it.

 

[Sierra]

Since you couldn't figure it out on your own, I mispelled your name on purpose, as a sign of the disdain I feel for you.

In other words, I don't respect you enough to spell your name correctly.

Mature too, I see.

 

[Red Mule]

OK, I am going to refrain from insults and see if we can have a civil talk.

1) Sierra has a right to an opinion. But that is all it is. That opinion has no backing from conservatives and almost no backing from liberals. And Sierra is not a Congressman or Senator.

2) History...what history, Germany, Poland, Zimbabwe? You can only look at American history. If you look at the American history of gun legislation, there is absolutely no basis for any fear of "creeping, ever increasing gun control." My God, the Senate couldn't even pass universal background checks, something that over 90% of the citizens support. And that Manchin-Toomey bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a registry and creates a new penalty for misusing records to create a registry - a felony punishable by 15 years in prison. In fact, a registry was already outlawed, and the amendment extra outlawed it.

Maybe it's because I have no fear that our government isn't some creation of the devil, but I am having a hard time understanding this fear of a gun registry. If every gun were registered and identified by owner, would not this make law enforcement much better? If my wife or children are gunned down, don't I want the murderer found and prosecuted? If the reason to have a gun is to defend your home or go hunting and target shooting, how does a registry hurt?

No... The ONLY thing that makes sense is that some people fear the authorities knowing they own a gun. Not just a gun, but a specific gun. Then they must either plan on breaking the law or fear the government taking their guns away. The first group SHOULD be afraid, but still watched. The second group is probably a lost cause.

Fear of Gun Registry = fear of our government. I guess it's time to put on the tin-foil hats and duck the stealth helicopters buzzing your home.

 

[Sierra]

OK, I am going to refrain from insults and see if we can have a civil talk.

1) Sierra has a right to an opinion. But that is all it is. That opinion has no backing from conservatives and almost no backing from liberals. And Sierra is not a Congressman or Senator.

Did I say somewhere that all guns should be banned? Are you all confusing me with someone? We own two rifles so we have supported the gun manufacturing industry. I would also not go backpacking in Alaska without a gun powerful enough to shoot a charging grizzly bear. I actually prefer to do my backpacking in the nice, safe SIERRAS.

I don't know why Rune is talking smack about me so please don't encourage he/she because I would much rather put my energies into educating and feeding poor children than trying to take guns away from selfish, delusional, narcissistic idiots.

 

[leaningright]

I guess it's time to put on the tin-foil hats and duck the stealth helicopters buzzing your home.

Drones .... They're called drones.

 

[leaningright]

... because I would much rather put my energies into educating and feeding poor children than trying to take guns away from selfish, delusional, narcissistic idiots.

Good. Focus your energies there and we're teammates. I suspect that we already have put forth similar efforts (ie. been on the same team) already, having read that statement.

 

[Bfgrn]

Did I say somewhere that all guns should be banned? Are you all confusing me with someone? We own two rifles so we have supported the gun manufacturing industry. I would also not go backpacking in Alaska without a gun powerful enough to shoot a charging grizzly bear. I actually prefer to do my backpacking in the nice, safe SIERRAS.

I don't know why Rune is talking smack about me so please don't encourage he/she because I would much rather put my energies into educating and feeding poor children than trying to take guns away from selfish, delusional, narcissistic idiots.

I honestly didn't see the post he/she was talking about. I just took his/her word for it. Sorry...

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

There is a term for people like you...a simp.

Tell me pea brain. WHO is proposing confiscation of all guns in America?

I'll be waiting...have an adult help you before your nap time.

Feinstien did. Several state bills have had confiscation as requirements (though those bills have thus far been defeated). There is a minority of those who do propose confiscation among the public, and we can see a significant number of them here on the board. To pretend otherwise is to be willfully ignorant.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Regarding Newtown and other loss of children's lives to guns, here is a stat that caught my attention...

The impact of gun violence is especially pronounced among juveniles and adolescents. The firearm homicide rate for children under 15 years of age is 16 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. - From: http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/gun_violence/sect01.html

Did you get that? Kids in the US are dying at not just double or triple the next highest country, they are being shot and killed (gun homicide) at 16 TIMES the rate of 25 other countries COMBINED!
I think to say this does not demand change requires a very uncaring mind set. Maybe if everyone just had to see what the first responders in Newtown were confronted with they would get off political ideology and find ways to change this terrible statistic.

So what change do you therefore propose?

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Ok, I'm trying to catch up here -

But the German govt would have killed Jews even if the Jews still had guns. Look at our country - no confiscation, but we've killed Indians;

Actually, we did confiscate there guns. Or tried to anyways. But you know what else we did? We NEGOTIATED with them. How do you think those reservations came about? It wasn't because our government felt terribly charitable.

we've locked up Jews; we killed the people in Waco; we blew up houses in Philadelphia; we've locked up polygamists in mass raids; we killed Eric Weaver (think that's the right name)

And you're ok with agents of the government that does these thigns having an even greater disparity of power? Doesn't make sense to me.

And that was with no confiscation of guns. What Hitler did or didn't do re gun control has no application to this country; and it doesn't matter if you have guns - if the govt wants you, it will get you.

Yes, just ask all those who rose up against Ghadfi. He'll tell you.

What protects you in this country is our system of laws and our courts - doesn't always work, sometimes takes a long time, but it's more sure than the guns you clutch in your hands.

No, what protects our country is eternally keeping the government in check, something a few generations of our citizens haven't done very well.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Maybe it's because I have no fear that our government isn't some creation of the devil, but I am having a hard time understanding this fear of a gun registry. If every gun were registered and identified by owner, would not this make law enforcement much better?

No. How could it?

If my wife or children are gunned down, don't I want the murderer found and prosecuted?

Registries have NEVER been effective in solving crimes.

If the reason to have a gun is to defend your home or go hunting and target shooting, how does a registry hurt?

Why should I have to register it in the first place? What business is it of the governments to know of what I own?

No... The ONLY thing that makes sense is that some people fear the authorities knowing they own a gun.

[Citation Needed]

Not just a gun, but a specific gun. Then they must either plan on breaking the law...

[Citation Needed]

...or fear the government taking their guns away.

Are you to suggest that such a thing would never happen?

The first group SHOULD be afraid, but still watched.

Yes, we should wiretapp people without warrants too, and search their cars and homes for the hell of it. Afterall, if you have nothing to hide, why be afraid?

The second group is probably a lost cause.

Yes, I can see where a distrust of government is seen as a lost cuase to one such as yourself.

Fear of Gun Registry = fear of our government. I guess it's time to put on the tin-foil hats and duck the stealth helicopters buzzing your home.

Sure is. Not like the Justice department issued statements saying that they can kill American citizens without trial or anything.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Maybe it's because I have no fear that our government isn't some creation of the devil, but I am having a hard time understanding this fear of a gun registry. If every gun were registered and identified by owner, would not this make law enforcement much better? If my wife or children are gunned down, don't I want the murderer found and prosecuted? If the reason to have a gun is to defend your home or go hunting and target shooting, how does a registry hurt?

No... The ONLY thing that makes sense is that some people fear the authorities knowing they own a gun. Not just a gun, but a specific gun. Then they must either plan on breaking the law or fear the government taking their guns away. The first group SHOULD be afraid, but still watched. The second group is probably a lost cause.

Fear of Gun Registry = fear of our government. I guess it's time to put on the tin-foil hats and duck the stealth helicopters buzzing your home.

if after seeing the last 35 years of our government go from bad to worse and you're NOT afraid of the government, you have no business graduating junior high school

 

[Bfgrn]

Feinstien did. Several state bills have had confiscation as requirements (though those bills have thus far been defeated). There is a minority of those who do propose confiscation among the public, and we can see a significant number of them here on the board. To pretend otherwise is to be willfully ignorant.

ALL guns?

 

[Red Mule]

if after seeing the last 35 years of our government go from bad to worse and you're NOT afraid of the government, you have no business graduating junior high school

And yet I managed somewhat better than that.

As far as the previous reply and a gun registry... It is true that a gun registry that does not exist will have no evidence of solving a crime.

But, knowing what gun was used and who it belonged to has helped convict murderers.
Do you claim otherwise?
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Back to Newtown photos, yes they should be stuck directly in the face of every single person that thinks we do not need better gun control.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

ALL guns?

Yes.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

And yet I managed somewhat better than that.

As far as the previous reply and a gun registry... It is true that a gun registry that does not exist will have no evidence of solving a crime.

But, knowing what gun was used and who it belonged to has helped convict murderers.
Do you claim otherwise?

Yes, as there is no evidence of any registry being used to as a basis for solving a crime. Secondly, you're claiming registries don't exist already. There are ton's of registries through the nation.