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Please.... Do tell us all the wonderful ways we are now BETTER than we were Jan. '09?

C'mon asswipes, give us the list!

No reason to be insulting.

January, 2009: Economy tanking, badly.

July, 2010: Economy clearly on the rebound; IMF says no double-dip, and stock market back on its feet after much better than expected earnings reports.

'Nuff said. Things are better today than they were in January, 2009.
 
Wasn't he the head of the U.S. Senate? Or something like that.

No, but he was Sec. of War under Pierce. He actually opposed secession, and even made an anti-secession speech on Independence Day, 1858 in Portland, ME, while a US Senator. Nevertheless, he joined the cause and became President of the CSA.
 
No, but he was Sec. of War under Pierce. He actually opposed secession, and even made an anti-secession speech on Independence Day, 1858 in Portland, ME, while a US Senator. Nevertheless, he joined the cause and became President of the CSA.

Thx.
 
No reason to be insulting.

January, 2009: Economy tanking, badly.

July, 2010: Economy clearly on the rebound; IMF says no double-dip, and stock market back on its feet after much better than expected earnings reports.

'Nuff said. Things are better today than they were in January, 2009.

:lmao:

You've got to be kidding me! We've lost over 4 million jobs, unemployment is still at nearly 10%, with absolutely NO signs of decline ahead, as this administration continues it's war on business and corporate America! Not to mention, our taxes are about to skyrocket, and inflation is heading our way at breakneck speed. By this time next year, you'll get laughed off the board for that bit of idiocy, wait and see! ...I'm bookmarking it!
 
The absolute worst thing the republicans could do is try and get a far-right winger elected. The country is not happy with Obama, but we are not so foolish as to swing to the other extreme.

Either a moderate or expect another 4 years of Obama.
 
No reason to be insulting.

January, 2009: Economy tanking, badly.

July, 2010: Economy clearly on the rebound; IMF says no double-dip, and stock market back on its feet after much better than expected earnings reports.

'Nuff said. Things are better today than they were in January, 2009.

And along comes today's CBS poll on the heels of yesterday's WaPo/ABC poll.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20010461-503544.html

A majority of Americans have a negative impression of the economy and expect the effects of the recession to linger for years, according to a new CBS News poll.
Most also say President Obama has spent too little time on the economy, which Americans cite as the country's most important problem by a wide margin.

Three in four Americans now say the effects of the recession will last another two years or more. More than eight in 10 say the condition of the economy is bad, up five points from last month.

Just 25 percent of Americans say the economy is getting better - down from 41 percent in April. About half say it is staying the same, and the remaining quarter stay it is getting worse.

More than half of Americans - 52 percent - say Mr. Obama has spent too little time dealing with the economy.

And with unemployment near 10 percent, the economy is their priority: Thirty-eight percent volunteer it as the country's most important problem. That far outpaces the percentage that cited the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan (seven percent), health care (six percent), the deficit (five percent), and the oil spill in the Gulf (five percent).

The county's most important economic problem, Americans say, is jobs, volunteered by 38 percent of respondents. Coming in a distant second was the national debt, the deficit and spending, cited by 10 percent in the poll, which was conducted between July 9th and 12th.

Just 27 percent of Americans say their local job market is good. Seventy-one percent call it bad. Nearly one in four expect their household finances to get worse over the next year, twice the percentage that expects their finances to improve...
 
I would be curious to see the results of polls concerning people's views on their economic situation during good times.

I have never heard anyone say "I make plenty of money" or "the economy is doing great!".

Yet it seems that Oncelor's point was that 'good times' were returning? Funny thing is that people aren't nearly as clueless as politicians believe. During 'good times' most pay them no mind, vote for the name they recognize. During 'bad times' which have for most adults been rare, they begin to wake up. The longer the downturn, the more pay attention. Not good for politicians.
 
Here is an updated ranking of the 39 rankable US Presidents, as judged by me (Does not include Obama, the sitting president, nor does it rank Cleveland as two presidents. Also not included are WH Harrison, Taylor, and Garfield):

01. George Washington
02. James Monroe
03. Abraham Lincoln
04. Ronald Reagan
05. Dwight D. Eisenhower
06. Calvin Coolidge
07. Warren G. Harding
08. Chester A. Arthur
09. William H. Taft
10. George H.W. Bush
11. William J. Clinton
12. Benjamin Harrison
13. James K. Polk
14. Thomas Jefferson
15. Theodore Roosevelt
16. Millard Fillmore
17. William McKinley
18. John Adams
19. Gerald R. Ford
20. John Q. Adams
21. Franklin D. Roosevelt
22. Rutherford B. Hayes
23. Harry Truman
24. Grover Cleveland
25. John F. Kennedy
26. George W. Bush
27. James Madison
28. Martin Van Buren
29. Jimmy Carter
30. Richard Nixon
31. Lyndon B. Johnson
32. Woodrow Wilson
33. Andrew Jackson
34. Herbert Hoover
35. Andrew Johnson
36. Ulysses S. Grant
37. Franklin Pierce
38. James Buchanan
39. John Tyler*

Tyler is primarily ranked last because he committed treason by joining the Southern Confederacy and getting elected to its Congress. Any president who commits such an action should automatically be dropped to the bottom. Furthermore, he had a weak presidency, and he contributed to the decline of the Whig Party.
Jesus God 3D. You ranked the most inept President in US history as #7? As one of our best? The guy who was so corrupt that he sat around playing poker while his buddies emptied the treasury? Who's only significant positive accomplishment was to die in office? Where the hell do you come up with this shit? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
 
Yet it seems that Oncelor's point was that 'good times' were returning? Funny thing is that people aren't nearly as clueless as politicians believe. During 'good times' most pay them no mind, vote for the name they recognize. During 'bad times' which have for most adults been rare, they begin to wake up. The longer the downturn, the more pay attention. Not good for politicians.
OK, so what you're telling me is that if Obama had continued the Bush policy of being asleep at the wheel and letting Wall Street do what it wanted that we would be in better shape then we are now? Is that what your saying?

Look I've seen the poll #'s. Americans are not happy with Obama. There even more unhappy with Democrats and there more unhappy with Republicans then they are with either Obama or the Democrats. Republicans and the right wing are kidding themselves if they are interpreting disapproval with Obama with approval for their loony policies.

Winter is correct. If Republicans want to give Obama four more years, all they need to do is nominate a right winger.
 
OK, so what you're telling me is that if Obama had continued the Bush policy of being asleep at the wheel and letting Wall Street do what it wanted that we would be in better shape then we are now? Is that what your saying?

Look I've seen the poll #'s. Americans are not happy with Obama. There even more unhappy with Democrats and there more unhappy with Republicans then they are with either Obama or the Democrats. Republicans and the right wing are kidding themselves if they are interpreting disapproval with Obama with approval for their loony policies.

Winter is correct. If Republicans want to give Obama four more years, all they need to do is nominate a right winger.

I really don't see where you logically came up with that 1st paragraph from anything I wrote.

As for your following points, I agree with your understanding of ratings for Republicans in Congress, that's given in the poll. Unfortunately what you are missing or ignoring is the response to which party they will vote for in the coming elections.

BTW, the real problem for the party in power is not conservatives, but how the independents will vote, a bloc that is growing ever larger. They are the most likely to throw out whichever party is in power.
 
I don't even know how someone who reads the news at all - even the most sporadic amount - could arrive at this conclusion.

We are most certainly not "worse" than we were in January of 2009. How could any intelligent person even make that kind of claim?

well, it does involve some investment of time.....part in observing what is happening around us, part in thinking about the consequences of what is happening around us, and part in overcoming a ridiculous urge to stick one's head up Obama's ass and inhale the fragrence.......you've never accomplished the latter.....
 
No reason to be insulting.

January, 2009: Economy tanking, badly.

July, 2010: Economy clearly on the rebound; IMF says no double-dip, and stock market back on its feet after much better than expected earnings reports.

'Nuff said. Things are better today than they were in January, 2009.

lol.....unemployment still at record highs.....states unable to pay the public employees they added with last year's stimulus money and asking for more....you are obviously more concerned about propaganda than you are about facts........at least in January of 2009 we hadn't yet spent a billion dollars we didn't have on absolutely nothing......now, try to list something that actually IS better than Jan, 2009.......
 
look at the facts then,
tell me what GDP has been for 3 quarters and how many jobs have been added this year.
Peace Jah live
 
Yet it seems that Oncelor's point was that 'good times' were returning? Funny thing is that people aren't nearly as clueless as politicians believe. During 'good times' most pay them no mind, vote for the name they recognize. During 'bad times' which have for most adults been rare, they begin to wake up. The longer the downturn, the more pay attention. Not good for politicians.

My point was that the economy is rebounding, and no longer on a downswing.

Do you dispute that, Annie?
 
well, it does involve some investment of time.....part in observing what is happening around us, part in thinking about the consequences of what is happening around us, and part in overcoming a ridiculous urge to stick one's head up Obama's ass and inhale the fragrence.......you've never accomplished the latter.....

I disagree. As for your point of view, it comes from being an extreme partisan, who is oblivious to the fact that the fundamentals of the economy have improved since January, 2009. This is a plain economic fact; there really is no disputing it on any kind of rational level.
 
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