Newsom’s vow to appoint a Black woman to the Senate

[NiftyNiblick]

So lets get granular.

Is it your view there is one singular best person for every job and that person can be determined and clear?

So if i am hiring a new Head of Marketing for World wide marketing for a Fortune 100 company, there is 1 single person who has the best resume for it and that is factual? You won't have numerous 'top people' each with different strengths and weaknesses, and the Board will have to make a CALL as to what they think is best.

Is that your view?

As an elderly pensioner, I have no remaining interests in corporate dynamics.

As a citizen whose state has two senators like every state--itself a system that I don't like--I see no need whatsoever to have either gender or ethnic diversity
in our two-member delegation.

I want my white female lesbian governor (for whom I voted),
if she's ever in the position to appoint a temporary replacement for either Senator Warren or Senator Markey,
to appoint somebody both highly competent and ideologically acceptable.

If that happens to be a White Anglo American Protestant male
or a female naturalized citizen, a hijab-wearing Muslim, born in Uganda or wherever,
I'm good. Gender and ethnicity are irrelevant.
I'll trust the governor to pick the best possible person
until she starts talking like Newsom.

 

[QP!]

As an elderly pensioner, I have no remaining interests in corporate dynamics.

As a citizen whose state has two senators like every state--itself a system that I don't like--I see no need whatsoever to have either gender or ethnic diversity
in our two-member delegation.

I want my white female lesbian governor (for whom I voted),
if she's ever in the position to appoint a temporary replacement for either Senator Warren or Senator Markey,
to appoint somebody both highly competent and ideologically acceptable.

If that happens to be a White Anglo American Protestant male
or a female naturalized citizen, a hijab-wearing Muslim, born in Uganda or wherever,
I'm good. Gender and ethnicity are irrelevant.
I'll trust the governor to pick the best possible person
until she starts talking like Newsom.

Being a pensioner should not prevent you answering this question if you are discussing in good faith.

So lets get granular.

Is it your view there is one singular best person for every job and that person can be determined and clear?

So if i am hiring a new Head of Marketing for World wide marketing for a Fortune 100 company, there is 1 single person who has the best resume for it and that is factual? You won't have numerous 'top people' each with different strengths and weaknesses, and the Board will have to make a CALL as to what they think is best.

Is that your view?

It is a simple question.

Do you believe there is only one single person qualified for a job and everyone else will be 'lesser'?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Being a pensioner should not prevent you answering this question if you are discussing in good faith.

It is a simple question.

Do you believe there is only one single person qualified for a job and everyone else will be 'lesser'?

It changes in every situation.

There could very well be a single, clearly superior candidate if the relative strengths of all the candidates are prioritized wisely.

Other times, it could be more difficult to choose one candidate over other good ones.

If everything else were equal, one could consider diversity as a factor, but that would be very low on my checklist.

General competence, applicable experience, raw intelligence, and compatibility with other essential participants in the process
would all be prioritized over diversity on my checklist, particularly in a business setting.
In a political setting, I would prioritize total immunity to peer pressure above compatibility. .
I want somebody who can be a pit bull when a pit bull is required.
That's what I would do. Others might do something else.

I want to be dignified, competent, efficient, wise, and fair, but not woke which,
whether it was the original meaning or not,
I associate with political correctness and pandering to the hypersensitive..

In the simplest terms, I'm a democratic socialist, not an effete but presently fashionable hippie.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

whitey automatically become the default was OK??

I can think of lots of white lib'ruls who were fucked up choices......

 

[ExpressLane]

DiSantis has banned no books.

This is the lie that the far left Democratic Socialist loons ignore.

DeSantis removed non-age appropriate material from school libraries where young children are present.

These books are still available in book stores and public libraries.

I bet these far left Democrats would want a subscription of Playboy magazine in an elementary library.

 

[QP!]

It changes in every situation.....

Ok. Name one situation where there is only one person in the entire world qualified for a job in government or a corporation?


I cannot think of one but if you are saying you know of some, name them? WHat creates that dynamic?

In my view it is always subjective. IF you and i are on a Board of 10 people we can absolutely disagree about which of 20 candidates has the best qualifications based on many differing areas, but you are saying in some areas it is impossible for us to disagree as there is one singular person, whos is the best. Explain?

 

[Nordberg]

I bet these far left Democrats would want a subscription of Playboy magazine in an elementary library.

You would lose that bet.

 

[ptif219]

Those segregationist Democrats became Republicans. And there the racists still reside.

You believe the Democrat lies. If you mean the Dixiecrats only Thutmong switched parties and became a GOP the rest all died Democrats

 

[ptif219]

If you consider 'serving the needs of a diverse society' part of the qualifications to be a Senator, then race and gender must be considered.

For instance look at the massive discrepancy in Republican state house voting on ALL women's health issues including abortion where almost 100% white men vote for the harshest and most restrictive measures put on the table, while the Republican women increasingly break away and vote in favour of women's health care rights, even when the woman is anti abortion.

That is because white men are not considering and do not care or understand how many OTHER women's health care issues are being impacted by these overly repressive measures. Men have never cared much or wanted to even know what is going on with women's health care issues.

That is why it is ENORMOURSLY important to have gender considered, when more than 50% of the populace will be impacted by another gender who will not 2 seconds to consider the downstream impacts of what they do.

No it shows how racist the Democrats are. Choose the best person no matter what their race or religion or gender is. Technically Newsome using those standards is illegal

 

[ptif219]

Ohhhhh we have a student of Ron DiSantis school system who only gets Chapter one of each history book.

Yes pre the Civil war and Civll and Womens rights movements, most Southern Dems (DixieCrats) were the racist in the US. IN Chapter 2 (that part DeSantis bans you from reading) you learn they all moved to the Republican party and that is why the GOP is now the party of racists.


Sadly for you DeSantis has not been able to ban FULL history outside Florida.

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That is Democrat revisionist history based on Democrats lies. There was no southern Strategy and all the Dixiecrats except for Thurmond stayed Democrats

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Which is the lie white men who dominate most areas ALWAYS tell themselves.

We see overwhelming white GOP men, voting for the most restrictive womens health and abortion laws in State and City governments where even white GOP women who are very anti abortion are breaking from them and voting the other way. These laws are increasingly being pushed by force by overwhelming white male votes. They just think they know better about what 'women actually need' in terms of health care access and do not care what women think on the issue, just as you do not.

This is nothing but Begging the question an egregious logical fallacy.

You then follow that with the fallacy of circular reasoning.

"white GOP men, voting for the most restrictive womens health and abortion laws..."

"These laws are increasingly being pushed by force by overwhelming white male votes..."

"Which is the lie white men who dominate most areas ALWAYS tell themselves."

You start with a conclusion based on nothing but your own preconceived bullshit then set out to prove it using more bullshit. That's explaining it in lay terms.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Ok. Name one situation where there is only one person in the entire world qualified for a job in government or a corporation?


I cannot think of one but if you are saying you know of some, name them? WHat creates that dynamic?

In my view it is always subjective. IF you and i are on a Board of 10 people we can absolutely disagree about which of 20 candidates has the best qualifications based on many differing areas, but you are saying in some areas it is impossible for us to disagree as there is one singular person, whos is the best. Explain?

There is no situation where only one person is qualified. I can't name one.
This doesn't mean that there isn't a best person, however.

Also, a board of ten people isn't going to choose the temporary replacement for a senator retiring in mid-term.
A governor is going to do that all by him/her/itself. It's a one person choice, and that one person gets to prioritize the areas of strength to be considered.

I personally would never begin the process by predetermining gender or ethnicity at the outset.
I may like to see an African American woman in the position,
but if a European American man
ranks highest in the areas of strength that are prioritized,
that's who I would pick.

It's merely a matter of prioritizing expected performance levels over diversity.

I understand that many people feel that diversity is very important.
I personally don't regard it as important as many other factors.

Let me give an example. I would love to see an Italian American POTUS in my lifetime.
Ron DeSantis is an Italian American.
I would not vote for Ron DeSantis with a Glock pressed against the back of my skull.
I would vote for any ideologically acceptable Democrat in the nation over him, even if said person was a white male Protestant from Middle America..

I would, on the other hand, vote for Nancy Pelosi in a minute because Mrs. Pelosi could actually do a great job.

 

[QP!]

No it shows how racist the Democrats are. Choose the best person no matter what their race or religion or gender is. Technically Newsome using those standards is illegal

Only stupid people (ie republiclowns) think there is a singular best person for any job. In reality that is NEVER a thing. Especially for high end positions.

if you are hiring a person to run a company you have multiple candidates each with different strengths and weaknesses and you will be picking subjectively on which one you think ticks the MOST boxes. You might think DeSantis is best for his anti woke stance. Another person might think Trump is best for his grift ability. It is opinion and not right or wrong.

Running govt or business or the Supreme court is not like being the #1 draft pick in sport. There simply is not a singular best. There are those who are 'qualified' and those who are not and as long as you pick one from the qualified list, then you have done your job.

 

[QP!]

and even in Sports drafts where you have clear rankings, not everyone has to agree and simply take the highest ranked ones. They can strategically pick a lower ranked person who best fits the needs they have whiteboarded they are trying to fix or fill.

so this 'there is only person', and that person is the 'singular best', stuff, ...fails at every level.

It has NEVER been a thing.

 

[QP!]

This is nothing but Begging the question an egregious logical fallacy.

You then follow that with the fallacy of circular reasoning.

"white GOP men, voting for the most restrictive womens health and abortion laws..."

"These laws are increasingly being pushed by force by overwhelming white male votes..."

"Which is the lie white men who dominate most areas ALWAYS tell themselves."

You start with a conclusion based on nothing but your own preconceived bullshit then set out to prove it using more bullshit. That's explaining it in lay terms.

Sorry you are wrong and what you are saying is garbage.

It is factual to say State by State in the south white men in tiny minorities but holding the balance of power are overwhelming out voting their female republican peers, and trying to deny any citizen based votes, referendums, etc on the questions of women's reproductive health.

Female republicans by wide margins are splitting from them seeking more balance for women but just do not have the numbers.

The white men, thru their vote are saying 'we know what is best for women and will simply impose it', as the Republican view of women is they are child like and property. They need to be ruled and put in place.

You can throw all the spin and lies you want to try and cover that up, but the facts defy you.

 

[Nordberg]

There are plenty of highly qualified black women he can pick from. This is no big deal.

 

[QP!]

There is no situation where only one person is qualified. I can't name one.
This doesn't mean that there isn't a best person, however.....

Ok then explain that?


How does a society ever know who is the 'best singular one", when individuals in society will value different aspects of the various resumes?

it seems to me you are saying meaningless things. "There is no singular qualified one"..."but there is a singular best one..."


Flesh that out.

You are the POTUS and looking for the singular best SCOTUS candidate to nominate... the single best FBI head... etc... how do you find and isolate that single best one?

Walk me thru that process if you, in fact think it is something that can be done and should be done so that only the singular best one is ever chosen.

 

[Diesel]

The Southern Strategy is liberal propaganda, a myth.

You have no evidence to support that it was ever implemented by repubs. And let me add, that Lee Atwater was in high School when Nixon ran in 68.

Don't you get tired of denying reality whenever it doesn't suit your politically biased agenda? You can say that the Southern Strategy never happened. That Dixiecrats didn't defect to the Republican party where they continue to the be the core of that old, white, racist club. That climate change doesn't exist and that only you are allowed to determine gender identity.

All it does is confirm that you're a delusional bigot and a pathological liar.

 

[Bigdog]

Don't you get tired of denying reality whenever it doesn't suit your politically biased agenda? You can say that the Southern Strategy never happened. That Dixiecrats didn't defect to the Republican party where they continue to the be the core of that old, white, racist club. That climate change doesn't exist and that only you are allowed to determine gender identity.

All it does is confirm that you're a delusional bigot and a pathological liar.

You STILL have no evidence to support your Southern Strategy (or switching) claim.




Of course, I do have proof that Nixon was a historic civil rights leader.

Nxion, Rev. MLK and Ike got the 1957 CRA passed. And IKE signed the 1960 CRA, too[/B]. Would you like to know the voting record on that bill?

the Senate approved H.R. 8601 on April 8, 1960 by a vote of 71–18. 42 Democrats and 29 Republicans voted Aye. 18 Democrats voted Nay.[20] No Republican Senators voted against the bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil...vil Rights Act of,attempt to register to vote.

Abolitionists were Christians and the first abolitionists were Quakers. Nixon was a Quaker and he ....

"During his years as vice president under Dwight Eisenhower, he sought to ensure minorities — especially African Americans — weren’t discriminated against in federal contracts. He also worked with Congress to spearhead the Civil Rights Act of 1957, sweeping legislation and a precursor to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965."

And ...

"The plan proved pivotal to the end of school segregation. In fall 1969, 600,000 blacks attended desegregated schools in the South; one year later 3 million had been integrated. By percentage in 1968, nearly 70 percent of black children were segregated from their white peers; by the end of Nixon’s first term it was just 8 percent."

https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2017/08/nixons-record-civil-rights-2/

So, you're trying to tell me that Nixon forced the integration of Southern Schools as part of a "southern strategy" to win KKK votes.

No wonder Democrats hate Nixon and Christians.

 

[QP!]

This is nothing but Begging the question an egregious logical fallacy.

You then follow that with the fallacy of circular reasoning.

"white GOP men, voting for the most restrictive womens health and abortion laws..."

"These laws are increasingly being pushed by force by overwhelming white male votes..."

"Which is the lie white men who dominate most areas ALWAYS tell themselves."

You start with a conclusion based on nothing but your own preconceived bullshit then set out to prove it using more bullshit. That's explaining it in lay terms.

‘Numbers Nobody Has Ever Seen’: How the GOP Lost Wisconsin
Did abortion make Wisconsin a blue state again?

You see the above and rage against the wind thinking if you deny the winds are real, then they do not exist.

Small groups of white men, flexing that they have control and can override everyone, including Republican women, and tell women what health care they need while ignoring the women saying 'this is killing us, even when we do not want to abort', are costing republicans elections almost everywhere that they cannot control the vote. The small groups of white men can only win this when they have enough control to deny the vast majority, including GOP women a voice.