New Zealand's semi-automatic rifle ban

[USFREEDOM911]

I used to be the same way until I found out how many mentally unstable people own guns. But if a person is of sound mind and doesn't have a criminal background, I think they should be allowed to own a gun. Not to prevent a dictatorship because that's completely fucking ridiculous, but for self-defense.

I see you're still avoiding the questions (regarding your presentation about "safety" about banning people from driving, due to a small percentage that get DUIs, and the question about banning people from having children, due to the small number who abuse their children.

 

[Into the Night]

If you don't count being part of a Continental Prison System as a dictatorship....whose to argue? But that is ODD. Looks like the Government boys are still attempting to keep dem prisoners in tow....with an "UNCODIFIED CONSTITUTION". You might not call allowing all rights to stim from The Government instead of God....non-totalitarian...but logic does not agree. Just when did THE PEOPLE or their representatives get to vote on and ratify a New Zealand Rule of Law standard...i.e., a Constitution? Where was their voice?

What New Zealand and Australia have nothing in common? Really? https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78...-of-us-are-descendents-of-australian-convicts

This might explain...what New Zealanders were doing with those sheep before Wool was discovered...no? This could also explain just how anyone can determine that a semi-automatic gun might be compared to a fully automatic assault weapon....

LOGICAL FALLACIES: Like attempting to declare some form of so called democracy with a Representative Republic. Mobs are the most TOTALITARIAN types of government to have ever existed. Cut off their heads first and ask questions later.

They don't have one. New Zealand is an oligarchy. That's a dictatorship by committee. Ole' Stone brain can't seem to get his head wrapped around that.

 

[StoneByStone]

If you don't count being part of a Continental Prison System as a dictatorship....whose to argue? But that is ODD. Looks like the Government boys are still attempting to keep dem prisoners in tow....with an "UNCODIFIED CONSTITUTION". You might not call allowing all rights to stim from The Government instead of God....non-totalitarian...but logic does not agree. Just when did THE PEOPLE or their representatives get to vote on and ratify a New Zealand Rule of Law standard...i.e., a Constitution? Where was their voice?

What New Zealand and Australia have nothing in common? Really? https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78...-of-us-are-descendents-of-australian-convicts

This might explain...what New Zealanders were doing with those sheep before Wool was discovered...no? This could also explain just how anyone can determine that a semi-automatic gun might be compared to a fully automatic assault weapon....

LOGICAL FALLACIES: Like attempting to declare some form of so called democracy with a Representative Republic. Mobs are the most TOTALITARIAN types of government to have ever existed. Cut off their heads first and ask questions later.

But New Zealand was like this when it did have guns. How come they were a *groans* "Continental Prison System" before the crackdown on guns?

Seriously, though, New Zealand still has freedom of speech, freedom of religion, democratic elections, checks and balances, government transparency, and so on. Now that they have gun control, when will we see them lose all of these?

 

[StoneByStone]

I see you're still avoiding the questions (regarding your presentation about "safety" about banning people from driving, due to a small percentage that get DUIs, and the question about banning people from having children, due to the small number who abuse their children.

I already answered that and you started sperging out.

 

[StoneByStone]

And it would seem that you're the "sensitive" one, seeing as how you are the one who started crying over this.

I started crying over the word "Trumpster," did I?

 

[StoneByStone]

I personally told you that I found some of your posts offensive and you ignored it; because you FEEL ENTITLED and therefore, you justify your own behavior.

You said my posts were offensive because I was lying about everything. I can't control if you think everyone you disagree with is lying. And you're a troll, so I don't take you seriously, anyway.

 

[StoneByStone]

No. They are an oligarchy.

But the pro-gun crowd told me gun control leads to a totalitarian dictatorship. So what's going on here?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I already answered that and you started sperging out.

Liar.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I started crying over the word "Trumpster," did I?

Is that what I said; because you were the one crying over comments you considered rude, while being rude yourself?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You said my posts were offensive because I was lying about everything. I can't control if you think everyone you disagree with is lying. And you're a troll, so I don't take you seriously, anyway.

Untrue, Liar.

I said you were using comments that were rude; but since lying to yourself makes you feel better, you go right ahead and continue.

 

[Ralph]

But New Zealand was like this when it did have guns. How come they were a *groans* "Continental Prison System" before the crackdown on guns?

Seriously, though, New Zealand still has freedom of speech, freedom of religion, democratic elections, checks and balances, government transparency, and so on. Now that they have gun control, when will we see them lose all of these?

Why were there prisons before guns were made illegal? Because guns are a tool.....criminals choose to be criminals with or without guns. Are you attempting to declare that New Zealand has no prison system because they have removed guns? Murder was not illegal before the government of New Zealand attempted to control gun ownership? Really? It was legal to kill church goers by any other means than firearms before? I'd wager that the folks working in the FBI buildings in OK wished that McVeigh had made firearms his weapon of choice.

 

[StoneByStone]

Is that what I said; because you were the one crying over comments you considered rude, while being rude yourself?

When I asked who I name-called, one of the posters here pointed out that I used the word "Trumpster." Um.... sorry?

 

[StoneByStone]

Untrue, Liar.

I said you were using comments that were rude; but since lying to yourself makes you feel better, you go right ahead and continue.

What rude things did I say?

 

[StoneByStone]

Why were there prisons before guns were made illegal? Because guns are a tool.....criminals choose to be criminals with or without guns. Are you attempting to declare that New Zealand has no prison system because they have removed guns? Murder was not illegal before the government of New Zealand attempted to control gun ownership? Really? It was legal to kill church goers by any other means than firearms before? I'd wager that the folks working in the FBI buildings in OK wished that McVeigh had made firearms his weapon of choice.

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen so much strawmanning! I never said a person could ONLY commit crime with a gun.

So to get back to the original topic, when will New Zealand become a totalitarian state?

 

[Into the Night]

But the pro-gun crowd told me gun control leads to a totalitarian dictatorship. So what's going on here?

They never did. You are making shit up again.

 

[StoneByStone]

They never did. You are making shit up again.

Are you kidding? That's one of the major talking points of the Right. "The Second Amendment protects the First!"
And how many times do they (mistakenly) say the Nazis and the Soviets took the guns and that's why they were able to take away freedom?

Keep in mind, I'm not saying that you have said this, I'm only addressing the posters who regularly make this argument.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you kidding? That's one of the major talking points of the Right.

Nope. It never was.

"The Second Amendment protects the First!"
And how many times do they (mistakenly) say the Nazis and the Soviets took the guns and that's why they were able to take away freedom?

They did take away guns. They did take away freedom.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying that you have said this, I'm only addressing the posters who regularly make this argument.

You are making a false equivalence between two different arguments. One you made up, and the others that are made by conservatives.

 

[StoneByStone]

Nope. It never was.

Type "second protects the first" into Google.

They did take away guns. They did take away freedom.

The Nazis made it easier, not harder, for German citizens to own guns. The Soviets gave guns to prisoners and made them fight the Nazis. In both cases, the citizens did not rise up to fight the oppressive governments because an armed militia can not defeat a government military.

You are making a false equivalence between two different arguments. One you made up, and the others that are made by conservatives.

No, I'm saying one argument is wrong. That argument is that we need guns to have freedom. This is an argument made by the pro-gun crowd all the time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2013/01/15/the-2nd-amendment-is-what-makes-the-other-nine-possible/#4a056f2b7e22

 

[USFREEDOM911]

When I asked who I name-called, one of the posters here pointed out that I used the word "Trumpster." Um.... sorry?

OHHHHHHHHHHHH, now I understand.

You only consider it rude, when YOU decide that it pertains to ONE PERSON.

You're a fucking idiot.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

What rude things did I say?

When you said that smaller magazines would save lives.