New York marks fewest murders ever

[SmarterthanYou]

Denial is a gunner's watchword.....pity the FACTS just consistently make you out to be the fool. Remember, Bloomie pointed out that the gun laws was ONE of the major factors in record crime drop in NYC. If you want to be educated on the what the other factors are, let me know. Or you can waste your time trying to palm off your beliefs as facts, or latch onto whatever gunner site will back you up. As for me, I'm off to a NYE party. Later.

come back when your facts actually make sense.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Quit babbling man! As the recorded posts on this thread shows, YOU made a detour that is just trying to avoid the FACT that a Conservative mayor of a major city points to gun control as a major factor in a significant reduction in crime. Why don't you stop acting like a wussy, man up and just ACCEPT that simple matter of fact and history. Deal with it.

His stating it doesn't prove it. Which is why he pointed to the FACTS accumulated by his police commissioner. All you've got is a gunner belief masquerading as fact. If gun control had anything to do with it alone, then you would see similar results in areas with similar gun control laws. But you don't. More than likely it had much more to do with targeted enforcement.

He didn't say it was the SOLE reason, GO BACK AND READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY (damn, I'm tired of trying to teach you neocons that!)

Watermark was 100% correct. Gun control/liberalization does not significantly affect violent crime.

I corrected Watermark, I suggest you read what I told him...or continue on your error ridden path of bad reading comprehension, denial and passing off your belief as fact. As for me, I'm outta here. See ya in the New Year bunky.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Denial is a gunner's watchword.....pity the FACTS just consistently make you out to be the fool. Remember, Bloomie pointed out that the gun laws was ONE of the major factors in record crime drop in NYC. If you want to be educated on the what the other factors are, let me know. Or you can waste your time trying to palm off your beliefs as facts, or latch onto whatever gunner site will back you up. As for me, I'm off to a NYE party. Later.

come back when your facts actually make sense.

They did, you willfully ignorant neocon gunner. You just can't stand the truth..so you comprehend only what you want to, and deny the rest. Read EXACTLY what Bloomberg said, then try to deny the stats. Or better yet, why don't you e-mailthe Police Commish and challenge his information? The NYPD can use a laugh.

I'm outta here.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

They did, you willfully ignorant neocon gunner. You just can't stand the truth..so you comprehend only what you want to, and deny the rest. Read EXACTLY what Bloomberg said, then try to deny the stats. Or better yet, why don't you e-mailthe Police Commish and challenge his information? The NYPD can use a laugh.

I'm outta here.

correlation does not equal causation, remember?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You could, but then it would once again demonstrate that YOU DON'T COMPREHEND WHAT YOU READ.

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So here's a tip: if you're going to be STY's little bitch and run to his defense/support, then know what you're talking about or try a different tactic of attack than an out of context quote, because you cement being a post modern fool with each key stroke.

I wasn't aware anyone needed defense....I was merely amused at the thought that the least independent person on the board thought he was independent....

 

[apple0154]

The mayor said the drop in New York's crime rate can be attributed to a combination of using new technologies and strong management, using statistics in police planning and responses, adequately funding the department and focusing resources to address problem areas.

I say it's a result of the Liberal mindset. Social policies, pampering people, now we see the common thug doesn't even have the initiative to get out there and murder and plunder like the good old days.

It's stash the gun, sit on the couch and wait for the welfare check.

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New York marks fewest murders ever
By Evan Buxbaum, CNN
December 30, 2009 2:56 a.m. EST

Mayor Michael Bloomberg says New York is on track toward its fewest number of murders in one year since reliable records have been kept.STORY HIGHLIGHTS
As of Monday, New York City had 461 murders; that's down almost 11% from 2008
Since 2001, all major crime rates in New York have declined by 35 percent
Mayor Michael Bloomberg credits use of technology, adequately funding police
Mayor also credits the targeting of high-crime areas with large numbers of officers


New York (CNN) -- Calling a sharp drop in overall violence throughout America's most populous city "one for the record books," New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced this week that 2009 saw historic crime-rate declines across the city's five boroughs.

The declines occurred in nearly every crime category, including the "lowest number of murders ever," Bloomberg said Monday.

According to the mayor's office, there have been 461 homicides to date on Monday in 2009. That number is down nearly 11 percent from the same time a year ago, with 516 murders recorded in 2008. Bloomberg said 2009 is on track to have the fewest murders in New York City's history since reliable recordkeeping began in 1963.

Bloomberg, with New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly at his side, relayed the latest findings at the New York Police Department graduation ceremony for the city's 250 newest officers.

The mayor said the drop in New York's crime rate can be attributed to a combination of using new technologies and strong management, using statistics in police planning and responses, adequately funding the department and focusing resources to address problem areas.

Along with stringent gun laws, regulations and enforcement mechanisms, the combination of all these strategies "have helped to substantially reduce the level of violence on our streets," Bloomberg said.

Bloomberg and Kelly called special attention to "Operation Impact," the city's program aimed to address particularly dangerous locales.

Started in January 2003, the operation floods troubled areas, known as "Impact Zones," with teams of rookie and veteran police officers. The program has allowed the police department to mass resources to provide security for those living in high-risk locations, Kelly said.

"Police officers are saving lives in New York City every day, usually in the poorest neighborhoods," Kelly said.

New York City had not had a year with fewer than 600 recorded murders before 2002, but there have been eight consecutive years with fewer than 600 slayings, according to crime records. This year also saw the 19th straight year of overall decline of major felony crimes, authorities said.

The highest spike in New York City murders came in 1990, when 2,262 people were killed, according to the NYPD.

Since 2001, all major crime rates in New York have declined by 35 percent, according to the police department. Rape and robbery are down 38 percent and 34 percent, respectively. Murders and assaults have dipped by 29 percent, according to the department.

National violent crime trends also are on the decline, according to the FBI. The bureau released nationwide crime statistics in June for the first half of 2009, showing a nearly 4.5 percent drop in overall violence. Murder is down by 10 percent from a year ago across the United States, according to the FBI.

The new class of officers from Monday's graduation joins the largest police force in the world, one with about 38,000 uniformed personnel.

"The world will be watching them start their careers," Kelly said at Monday's graduation. "Their first assignment is on patrol at Times Square on New Year's Eve."

 

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[Jeff]

wow no NRA tools whinning about murder rates WAY down in a serious gun control area.

They have had some of the strictest gun laws for years, ya think maybe the people of NY are just now taking them serious, LOL

Not sure if ya have ever been to the city, but ya can buy a illegal gun on most corners, LOL, and do you honestly think the people that pay the fee, get the back round check , finger printed, all the stuff NY has ya do to buy a gun are the ones doing the crimes, LOL, when Ya can buy guns off the street with no serial #'s on them all ready

The city has been cleaned up, hell I even seen a cop bust a guy selling hot jewelry, wasn't long ago the cops just walked by as if nothing was going on

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
They did, you willfully ignorant neocon gunner. You just can't stand the truth..so you comprehend only what you want to, and deny the rest. Read EXACTLY what Bloomberg said, then try to deny the stats. Or better yet, why don't you e-mailthe Police Commish and challenge his information? The NYPD can use a laugh.

I'm outta here.

correlation does not equal causation, remember?

And wishful neocon BS does NOT replace facts. Bottom line: FACTS are there, and all you and the other frustrated gunners have is a lot of denial, attempted distortion and convoluted logic. Whether you like it or not, the FACTS cannot be ignored.

 

[Taichiliberal]

They have had some of the strictest gun laws for years, ya think maybe the people of NY are just now taking them serious, LOL

Not sure if ya have ever been to the city, but ya can buy a illegal gun on most corners, LOL, and do you honestly think the people that pay the fee, get the back round check , finger printed, all the stuff NY has ya do to buy a gun are the ones doing the crimes, LOL, when Ya can buy guns off the street with no serial #'s on them all ready

The city has been cleaned up, hell I even seen a cop bust a guy selling hot jewelry, wasn't long ago the cops just walked by as if nothing was going on

Hey laughing boy, did you know that a heavy percentage of illegal guns sold in NYC are from states with comparatively lax gun laws, like Virginia? And while you were chuckling, you may have noticed that in the last year or so the crackdown in NYC on the sale of illegal guns. Yes, NYC is far from perfect, but the cause and effects are there for all to see.

 

[Taichiliberal]

and we all know how I feel about the current GOP.....well, all except you.

Like I said before, you talk a lot of hypocritical BS.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You could, but then it would once again demonstrate that YOU DON'T COMPREHEND WHAT YOU READ.

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So here's a tip: if you're going to be STY's little bitch and run to his defense/support, then know what you're talking about or try a different tactic of attack than an out of context quote, because you cement being a post modern fool with each key stroke.

I wasn't aware anyone needed defense....You're not aware of a lot of stuff, which explains your actions to some degree. I was merely amused at the thought that the least independent person on the board thought he was independent....

Right, and your self delusional was so imperative that you just had to post it for all to see. Forget any discussion of the topic, you just had to post a personal attack. Once again, you earn the title "post modern fool". Carry on.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Taicheeze, a neocon like you is incapable of understanding.

 

[wiseones2cents]

First I'd like to say that I love threedee's posts. lol

Anyways, although Bloomberg's strict gun controls and increased police presence have been beneficial? The main reason New York is experiencing decreased crime is one word. Rudolph Juliani(I believe he is crooked).

When he was in charge, he clamped down on crime(or opposition) and put people to work.

All it means is that organized crime in New York is more organized then ever and the criminal organizations no longer fight each other but work together.

And they have cracked down on rogue elements(street punks). Which are usually the ones killing innocent people. Organized criminals usually only kill each other.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Taicheeze, a neocon like you is incapable of understanding.

Uh-huh....at least your pics are interesting.

 

[Taichiliberal]

First I'd like to say that I love threedee's posts. lol

Anyways, although Bloomberg's strict gun controls and increased police presence have been beneficial? The main reason New York is experiencing decreased crime is one word. Rudolph Juliani(I believe he is crooked).

When he was in charge, he clamped down on crime(or opposition) and put people to work.

All it means is that organized crime in New York is more organized then ever and the criminal organizations no longer fight each other but work together.

And they have cracked down on rogue elements(street punks). Which are usually the ones killing innocent people. Organized criminals usually only kill each other.

A few corrections for you, Wise:

New York's crime rate has been steadily dropping ever since the Compstat system was engaged under Commissioner Bratton. Bratton had taken the system from Transit cop Jack Maple and UNDER MAYOR DINKINS had drafted a plan to adapte and apply Compstat citywide. Dinkins lost the following election, but Giuliani kept Bratton on and FALSELY TOOK CREDIT for a system of crime fighting that Bratton devised and Dinkins had approved. When Bratton began to subtly point this out, he was canned.

Your supposition and conjecture about organized crime does NOT change the facts of what Bloomberg pointed out in his public statements. Whether the gunners like it or not, strict gun laws (which existed LONG before Bloomberg came on the scene) are an integral part in lowering crime in NYC.

 

[Damocles]

Right. Because when people are canned they no longer can talk.

Look. If I'm subtly "outting" you for something and then you sack me.... I won't be subtle anymore.

 

[wiseones2cents]

A few corrections for you, Wise:

New York's crime rate has been steadily dropping ever since the Compstat system was engaged under Commissioner Bratton. Bratton had taken the system from Transit cop Jack Maple and UNDER MAYOR DINKINS had drafted a plan to adapte and apply Compstat citywide. Dinkins lost the following election, but Giuliani kept Bratton on and FALSELY TOOK CREDIT for a system of crime fighting that Bratton devised and Dinkins had approved. When Bratton began to subtly point this out, he was canned.

Your supposition and conjecture about organized crime does NOT change the facts of what Bloomberg pointed out in his public statements. Whether the gunners like it or not, strict gun laws (which existed LONG before Bloomberg came on the scene) are an integral part in lowering crime in NYC.

Bratton was appointed Police Commissioner by Rudolph Giuliani.

Second, some say compstat played a minor role but I believe it played a significant role.

Here are some critics of compstat:

Some, however, such as University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt, have argued that COMPSTAT's crime-reducing effects have been minor [5]. The introduction of COMPSTAT happened alongside:

The training and deployment of around 5,000 new better-educated police officers,
The integration of New York's housing and transit police into the New York Police Department
Police decision-making being devolved to precinct level
The clearing of a backlog of 50,000 unserved warrants
Mayor Giuliani's robust 'zero tolerance' campaign against petty crime and anti-social behavior
Widespread removal of graffiti
Programs that moved over 500,000 people into jobs from welfare at a time of economic buoyancy
Offering housing vouchers to enable poor families to move to better neighborhoods.
Demographic changes including a generation raised in the social welfare systems started in the 1970s and 1980s.
End of the crack epidemic and a shift to a marijuana based drug economy with a larger consumer base and less competition.
Advances in medicine play a role in the declining number of homicides. Better life saving techniques learned in correlation to ongoing modern day military conflicts.
Gentrification, displacement of lower income individuals more likely to commit crimes from gentrifying or gentrified communities.
Another criticism of the COMPSTAT program is that it may discourage officers from taking crime reports, thereby reducing reported crimes, thereby indicating false resolution of community problems.

Similarly, crimes may be reported, but downplayed as less significant, to manipulate statistics to reflect inaccurate improvement of community issues. For example, before a department began using CompStat, 100 assaults were listed as aggravated and 500 were classed as simple assault. Then, under CompStat, if those same statistics were noted for a second year, no improvement is made.

However, if some of the aggravated assaults were downplayed and listed as mere simple assault (25 aggravated and only 450 simple assault), the department and precinct commander would seem to have made progress--albeit only on in reports; regardless of how the assaults were classed on paper for purposes of CompStat, the assaults were aggravated.

Therefore, the community reaps no benefit--except being able to say that statistics show aggravated assault is decreasing. The community's number of aggravated assaults is the same; they are only classified as less serious crimes to appear as though progress is being made.

Manipulating reporting data may also negatively affect personnel and financial disbursement; communities whose improvements (on paper) show they need less resources could lose those resources--and still face the same amount of actual crime on the streets.

Many of these negative effects in the possible weaknesses of the COMPSTAT system were dramatized in HBO's The Wire, as part of an overarching theme of systemic dysfunction in institutions.

Though in your defence? I did find this.

Bratton resigned in 1996 while under investigation by the Corporation Counsel for the propriety of a book deal that he signed while in office as well as accepting multiple unauthorized trips from corporations and individuals. Additionally, there were alleged personal conflicts with Giuliani, partly due to Giuliani's opposition to some of Bratton's reforms and partly due to Giuliani's belief that Bratton was getting more credit for the reduction in crime than Giuliani was

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The reduction in crime in New York is a natural reduction that has had little to do with any policy put in place by any politician.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
A few corrections for you, Wise:

New York's crime rate has been steadily dropping ever since the Compstat system was engaged under Commissioner Bratton. Bratton had taken the system from Transit cop Jack Maple and UNDER MAYOR DINKINS had drafted a plan to adapte and apply Compstat citywide. Dinkins lost the following election, but Giuliani kept Bratton on and FALSELY TOOK CREDIT for a system of crime fighting that Bratton devised and Dinkins had approved. When Bratton began to subtly point this out, he was canned.

Your supposition and conjecture about organized crime does NOT change the facts of what Bloomberg pointed out in his public statements. Whether the gunners like it or not, strict gun laws (which existed LONG before Bloomberg came on the scene) are an integral part in lowering crime in NYC.

Bratton was appointed Police Commissioner by Rudolph Giuliani. Tell me something I don't know.......But let me point out AGAIN and elaborate: Compstat was developed by former Deputy Comm. Jack Maple and then Chief of Transit Police Bratton BEFORE Giuliani was a candidate for mayor. Dinkins approved the plan, but did NOT get re-elected to implement it fully. Giuliani elected Bratton to Commissioner, then FALSELY took credit for the Bratton's strategy that resulted in reduction in NYC crime.

Second, some say compstat played a minor role but I believe it played a significant role.

Here are some critics of compstat:

Some, however, such as University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt, have argued that COMPSTAT's crime-reducing effects have been minor [5]. The introduction of COMPSTAT happened alongside:

The training and deployment of around 5,000 new better-educated police officers,
The integration of New York's housing and transit police into the New York Police Department
Police decision-making being devolved to precinct level
The clearing of a backlog of 50,000 unserved warrants
Mayor Giuliani's robust 'zero tolerance' campaign against petty crime and anti-social behavior
Widespread removal of graffiti
Programs that moved over 500,000 people into jobs from welfare at a time of economic buoyancy
Offering housing vouchers to enable poor families to move to better neighborhoods.
Demographic changes including a generation raised in the social welfare systems started in the 1970s and 1980s.
End of the crack epidemic and a shift to a marijuana based drug economy with a larger consumer base and less competition.
Advances in medicine play a role in the declining number of homicides. Better life saving techniques learned in correlation to ongoing modern day military conflicts.
Gentrification, displacement of lower income individuals more likely to commit crimes from gentrifying or gentrified communities.
Another criticism of the COMPSTAT program is that it may discourage officers from taking crime reports, thereby reducing reported crimes, thereby indicating false resolution of community problems.

Similarly, crimes may be reported, but downplayed as less significant, to manipulate statistics to reflect inaccurate improvement of community issues. For example, before a department began using CompStat, 100 assaults were listed as aggravated and 500 were classed as simple assault. Then, under CompStat, if those same statistics were noted for a second year, no improvement is made.

However, if some of the aggravated assaults were downplayed and listed as mere simple assault (25 aggravated and only 450 simple assault), the department and precinct commander would seem to have made progress--albeit only on in reports; regardless of how the assaults were classed on paper for purposes of CompStat, the assaults were aggravated.

Therefore, the community reaps no benefit--except being able to say that statistics show aggravated assault is decreasing. The community's number of aggravated assaults is the same; they are only classified as less serious crimes to appear as though progress is being made.

Manipulating reporting data may also negatively affect personnel and financial disbursement; communities whose improvements (on paper) show they need less resources could lose those resources--and still face the same amount of actual crime on the streets.

Many of these negative effects in the possible weaknesses of the COMPSTAT system were dramatized in HBO's The Wire, as part of an overarching theme of systemic dysfunction in institutions.



Though in your defence? I did find this.

Bratton resigned in 1996 while under investigation by the Corporation Counsel for the propriety of a book deal that he signed while in office as well as accepting multiple unauthorized trips from corporations and individuals. Additionally, there were alleged personal conflicts with Giuliani, partly due to Giuliani's opposition to some of Bratton's reforms and partly due to Giuliani's belief that Bratton was getting more credit for the reduction in crime than Giuliani was

Nice back handed slight, Wise....pity your economist is all headline and no follow up substance like a real investigative reporter..and your Wikipedia quote is just that Wikipedia. Check into what Barrett and Tierney had to say, as true investigative reporters based in New York for years.

http://www.gothamgazette.com/commentary/91.barrett.shtml
http://www.gothamgazette.com/commentary/91.tierney.shtml