New York governor proposes free tuition at state colleges

what a fucking dumbass, participation kids are already way behind everyone else as they think rewards are needed just for showing up. Taxpayers should not fund education, parents should fund it for their own kids.

Lazy parent above clapping his hands.
 
NYC basicalky offered free education and free healthcare back in the '60's and that ended up with the city going broke. Good luck making that a statewide model.
 
This is going to come as a shock to most. I agree with Coumo. If they can fund it and there lies the problem. If a state wants to set its priorities for something like this, it has to cut somewhere else. Personally I think if any state set its priorities for the advancement of its citizens, that is a good thing.
 
Sailor said:
This is going to come as a shock to most. I agree with Coumo. If they can fund it and there lies the problem. If a state wants to set its priorities for something like this, it has to cut somewhere else. Personally I think if any state set its priorities for the advancement of its citizens, that is a good thing.
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Deep down where it counts you are a good man Cap.
 
Sailor said:
This is going to come as a shock to most. I agree with Coumo. If they can fund it and there lies the problem. If a state wants to set its priorities for something like this, it has to cut somewhere else. Personally I think if any state set its priorities for the advancement of its citizens, that is a good thing.
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If an individual state wants to do it then fine. I still think it is a dumb idea. But as long as stupid New Yorkers go along with I don't care if they bankrupt themselves. Have at it.
 
Sailor said:
This is going to come as a shock to most. I agree with Coumo. If they can fund it and there lies the problem. If a state wants to set its priorities for something like this, it has to cut somewhere else. Personally I think if any state set its priorities for the advancement of its citizens, that is a good thing.
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I agree with you that each state can set its priorities and spend its money how it pleases. i don't know that allowing kids who come from well to do families free schooling is the answer but it's up to them what they want to do
 
Sailor said:
This is going to come as a shock to most. I agree with Coumo. If they can fund it and there lies the problem. If a state wants to set its priorities for something like this, it has to cut somewhere else. Personally I think if any state set its priorities for the advancement of its citizens, that is a good thing.
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agreed/ it's pure federalism at work. States can set their own funding priorities.
 
Sailor said:
This is going to come as a shock to most. I agree with Coumo. If they can fund it and there lies the problem. If a state wants to set its priorities for something like this, it has to cut somewhere else. Personally I think if any state set its priorities for the advancement of its citizens, that is a good thing.
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My daughter spent several years teaching high school math in NYC.

Her experience is that even her great students often (or even usually) didn't see a way to go to college.

There was money available to borrow and some amount of grant money, but the total story depended on children borrowing more money than they had ever even heard of within their communities. Their parents were often zero help, as they had zero money and no experience with what it means to go to college or how it could lead to employment of the required size to justify the massive debt.

Essentially, these kids were being asked to bet huge sums on education, without any certainty of outcome. And, they lived in communities where those with that kind of debt were doomed to a life of failure, up to and including death.


America can't afford to let these minds turn to following their parents into poverty. The difference in cost/benefit between lifetimes of government support vs successful employment is too large. The competition we face with other nations is too serious.
 
Taxpayers that pay for their children to attend college should not be saddled for the cost of others that are too lazy to provide for their own families.
 
doctordog said:
Taxpayers that pay for their children to attend college should not be saddled for the cost of others that are too lazy to provide for their own families.
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When we moved from an agricultural base to a manufacturing base, corporations needed more than 8th grade education.

Our national response was to create high school for all, for free, making it a requirement, as the economic health and competitiveness of our nation depended on that.

Today, we're moving beyond manufacturing. Like agriculture, manufacturing will continue, but our competitiveness will depend on high tech, information, innovation, etc.

For that, we need college graduates. And, like we determined with manufacturing, allowing the required education to be available to those children whose parents are wealthy is NOT good enough. We need far more than that to be competitive. And, building backwaters of uneducated children is a recipe for failure, too.
 
WillReadmore said:
When we moved from an agricultural base to a manufacturing base, corporations needed more than 8th grade education.

Our national response was to create high school for all, for free, making it a requirement, as the economic health and competitiveness of our nation depended on that.

Today, we're moving beyond manufacturing. Like agriculture, manufacturing will continue, but our competitiveness will depend on high tech, information, innovation, etc.

For that, we need college graduates. And, like we determined with manufacturing, allowing the required education to be available to those children whose parents are wealthy is NOT good enough. We need far more than that to be competitive. And, building backwaters of uneducated children is a recipe for failure, too.
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We had four children and we put all of them thru college all graduating without debt. We should not be forced to pay for your kids because you failed to plan. We were not wealthy by any means.
 
The only reason why anyone would be against this action is because it's the dreaded 'S' word .. Socialism.

.. and yes, socialism it is.
 
WillReadmore said:
When we moved from an agricultural base to a manufacturing base, corporations needed more than 8th grade education.

Our national response was to create high school for all, for free, making it a requirement, as the economic health and competitiveness of our nation depended on that.

Today, we're moving beyond manufacturing. Like agriculture, manufacturing will continue, but our competitiveness will depend on high tech, information, innovation, etc.

For that, we need college graduates. And, like we determined with manufacturing, allowing the required education to be available to those children whose parents are wealthy is NOT good enough. We need far more than that to be competitive. And, building backwaters of uneducated children is a recipe for failure, too.
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There is no such thing as free
 
I never had kids because I knew I couldn't afford any. Yet, I've spent my entire working life paying for others' kids to be conceived, born, medicated, fed, housed and educated. This is so wrong on so many levels I don't where to begin.
 
cawacko said:
NYC basicalky offered free education and free healthcare back in the '60's and that ended up with the city going broke. Good luck making that a statewide model.
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I don't remember this and can't find info on it, do you have proof of your claims?
 
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