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SS would have lost 40% from top to bottom is it was started at the top of the market.
If it were started when first proposed nothing would beat it.
Investing is about OWNERSHIP,
trading is about speculation.
Guess they didn't teach that in your database design class.

A few years ago, a max. of 20% of an individuals contribution was mentioned as available for investment....a small amount, to be sure and would probably not have lost anything....
 
SS would have lost 40% from top to bottom is it was started at the top of the market.
If it were started when first proposed nothing would beat it.
Investing is about OWNERSHIP,
trading is about speculation.
Guess they didn't teach that in your database design class.

Nope .. ignorance was not taught in my database design classes.

Do you own AIG?

Investment DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN OWNER. It makes you a gambler.

Social Security DOES NOT NEED GAMBLING to remain solvent and CONTINUE to carry out the critical functions it has so SUCCESSFULLY accomplished for many years.

There is no danger that we will ever be that stupid.
 
Some of you are as bad as Obama yelling the sky is falling, the sky is falling....
don't read the bail-out bill...just pass it....don't read the budget...just pass it....

He pulled that shit four times a day for a couple of weeks....
 
BAC
I bet the fast majority of your graduating class has a higher net worth than you do. Especially the ones with the same income.
I saw statistics where blacks invest less by all income groups than whites. If your any example them not trusting the system is deeply rooted and the cause of them being poorer.
 
Again, your position boils down to the government defaulting on Treasury Bonds, which is odd since you are simultaneously advocating for individuals to invest SS taxes in Treasury Bonds.

LMAO... no... I am stating that the funds that they currently have are not enough to take care of the promised bene's. Because they have not adjusted for inflation and they have not adjusted for increased life expectancies. That is why they are going to fail moron.
 
Some of you are as bad as Obama yelling the sky is falling, the sky is falling....
don't read the bail-out bill...just pass it....don't read the budget...just pass it....

He pulled that shit four times a day for a couple of weeks....

The absolute monumental and historic failures of your side of the fence is exactly why Obama is the president .. and republicans are diminished and shrinking.

For your side, the sky is falling. :)
 
BAC
I bet the fast majority of your graduating class has a higher net worth than you do. Especially the ones with the same income.
I saw statistics where blacks invest less by all income groups than whites. If your any example them not trusting the system is deeply rooted and the cause of them being poorer.

I'm real that in the nazi world you exist in you'll find all manner of "statistics." .. of which I don't give a fuck about you racist piece of shit. Perhaps you can explain what race has to do with this topic?

How much is my net worth?

I make as much or more than a great many DBA's in the market today.

Own my own beautiful home .. PAID FOR ..

Wife and I drive two sweet ass cars

Daughters college fund set

Own my business .. growing as I INVEST in other software opportunities .. structured for the future

Money in the bank

What did I miss not investing in the stock market instead of investing in my own intelligence?
 
The absolute monumental and historic failures of your side of the fence is exactly why Obama is the president .. and republicans are diminished and shrinking.

For your side, the sky is falling. :)

Irrelevant. ...but I'll address it anyway...
Obama is President because of some very simple truths...

1...A growing number of dumbed down Americans look for their news from people like Jon Steward, Jay Leno, Dave Letterman, etc....

2. .. Having the media on your side is invaluable to success....criticism is rare and fleeting while demonizing the opposition is loud and relentless...

3...Propaganda is as easy as faking letters to the editor, spinning the facts or just plain lying about issues and events....

Obama was created by the media....his "stardom" erected by media public relations and commercials....in reality he is the proverbial empty suit, with no personal accomplishments to warrant his stardom .... and his short comings when made public, made little of and scoffed at by MSM and Hollywood comedians....

and in spite of all that, he may have a positive impact on the country just by virtue of being black....
 
What did I miss not investing in the stock market instead of investing in my own intelligence?[/QUOTE]

you missed a lot, your a scared black guy I get it.

Take the same guy doing the same as you invested 10% of his salary in stocks, he's got about a million more than you.
If software tanks your broke ass is on the dole, he's cashing dividend checks.
 
But the Trust Fund invests in Treasury Bonds. Your position is that the government will default on some Treasury Bonds but not others?

again genius.... defaulting Treasuries is NOT the only way the SS system goes bust. It goes bust when more money is taken out than is put in. That is what broke Madoff.
 
What did I miss not investing in the stock market instead of investing in my own intelligence?

you missed a lot, your a scared black guy I get it.

Take the same guy doing the same as you invested 10% of his salary in stocks, he's got about a million more than you.
If software tanks your broke ass is on the dole, he's cashing dividend checks.

Even IF I missed a million dollars .. so fucking what stupid fucking white guy?

I live a happy and fulfilling life stupid fucking white guy.

"If software tanks" .. proves you're a stupid fucking white guy.

Here's the punch line ..DO YOU HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS STUPID FUCKING WHITE GUY?

Hell no, you don't have anything near a million dollars even in your dreams ... stupid fucking white guy.

:lmao:
 
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Irrelevant. ...but I'll address it anyway...
Obama is President because of some very simple truths...

1...A growing number of dumbed down Americans look for their news from people like Jon Steward, Jay Leno, Dave Letterman, etc....

2. .. Having the media on your side is invaluable to success....criticism is rare and fleeting while demonizing the opposition is loud and relentless...

3...Propaganda is as easy as faking letters to the editor, spinning the facts or just plain lying about issues and events....

Obama was created by the media....his "stardom" erected by media public relations and commercials....in reality he is the proverbial empty suit, with no personal accomplishments to warrant his stardom .... and his short comings when made public, made little of and scoffed at by MSM and Hollywood comedians....

and in spite of all that, he may have a positive impact on the country just by virtue of being black....

Absolutely ridiculous and incredibly dishonest.

Somehow you missed the mindlessly unaccomplished and monstrously failed last eight years.

No point in my arguing the absurd.

Feel free to pretend ...
 
A different perspective...

I saw a well protected USA for the past 8 years....
I saw 20+ Million Iraqis getting a taste of the freedom we take for granted
I saw a ruthless dictator hung by his newly freed slaves
I saw a thriving economy for the better part of those 8 years
I saw an unemployment rate average about 4.5 country wide
I saw unemployment rates as low as 3% in some locations
but then
I saw good men demonized by msm and character assasination run rampant
I saw Washington taken over by Dems and and a fragile economy dismantled
I saw clowns do misdeeds and with the collaboration of msm shift the blame to the innocent
 
Social Security is not going anywhere. It will not fail. You think the bailout of the financial industry and auto industry were a joke? Just wait until the government has to bail out Social Security. They will not let this goose die.

BAC, I have always respected you and your opinion. You have always been one of the few that I believe has maintained an aura of respectability even when you should have been completely pissed off, but I must say, that in this case, I think you are just plain wrong! DH, I'll say the same about you, but maybe not to the same degree as BAC. You too, have maintained that respectability, yet, sometimes, it seems you tend to lose it (not the respectability but your control)... just like me!

Anyway, I think you are both wrong.

And just because, Social Security is an insurance plan (which should be minimizing risk... including market rise which it does not do) that does not mean that there is not a plan out there that can and is better than the current one. If future retirees are served better by a new plan then we should adopt the new plan. However, under no circumstances should we renege on the promises of the past.

Immie
 
You are such a bonehead its breathtaking....

Two new studies (here and here) conducted by the Progressive Studies Program at the Center for American Progress break down the electorate on a new 5-point scale of political ideology that reflects the primary approaches people ascribe to today. Under this schematic, 34 percent of the country self-identifies as ‘conservative’, 29 percent as ‘moderate’, 15 percent as ‘liberal’, 16 percent as ‘progressive’, and 2 percent as ‘libertarian’.


Umm conservative does not mean Republican since Reagan and esp since Bush. I am a conservative Demoncrat.
 
Do not take SS away. We old people do not have much to lose and our accelerator pedals seem to stick sometimes...Then too many of us are veterans....

Arise Gray Panthers!!!

Well wake up anyway ;)
 
And when you give people the policy choices without party or con-lib lables they pick liberal solutions.
 
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