New peak rates mean charging electric cars more expensive than petrol

T. A. Gardner said:
And, that's dubious on its own. Those claiming that it will "save the planet" or some such are usually scientific and engineering illiterates parroting favored political dogma.
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In the process of turning any source of energy into kinetic energy (the energy of motion), there will be some losses. As the chemical energy is transformed into motion through internal combustion, most of the energy lost is heat and friction, to a lesser extent. According to Inside EVs, most modern engines achieve about 40% efficiency ratings, which means more than half of the energy stored in the fuel is lost to friction and dissipated heat. Nissan announced in 2021 that it has an engine in development that will achieve 50% efficiency but that it is only meant to be a generator in a hybrid system (via CNET). Furthermore, additional energy is lost throughout the drivetrain, and parasitic losses from other systems in the car further reduce the overall efficiency at the wheels.
Internal combustion engine efficiency has increased dramatically over the last century. However, technological breakthroughs in battery technology have allowed EVs to become viable for regular use, and they present a significant advantage in energy usage. Yale Climate Connections recently published an article noting the efficiency difference between the EV and ICE. With an EV equipped with regenerative braking, the total energy lost while driving is about 11%. Losses from the input to the motor initially amount to about 35%, but the regen braking recaptures about 22% of that.
The takeaway is that electric power is a significantly more efficient use of energy.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
In the process of turning any source of energy into kinetic energy (the energy of motion), there will be some losses. As the chemical energy is transformed into motion through internal combustion, most of the energy lost is heat and friction, to a lesser extent. According to Inside EVs, most modern engines achieve about 40% efficiency ratings, which means more than half of the energy stored in the fuel is lost to friction and dissipated heat. Nissan announced in 2021 that it has an engine in development that will achieve 50% efficiency but that it is only meant to be a generator in a hybrid system (via CNET). Furthermore, additional energy is lost throughout the drivetrain, and parasitic losses from other systems in the car further reduce the overall efficiency at the wheels.
Internal combustion engine efficiency has increased dramatically over the last century. However, technological breakthroughs in battery technology have allowed EVs to become viable for regular use, and they present a significant advantage in energy usage. Yale Climate Connections recently published an article noting the efficiency difference between the EV and ICE. With an EV equipped with regenerative braking, the total energy lost while driving is about 11%. Losses from the input to the motor initially amount to about 35%, but the regen braking recaptures about 22% of that.
The takeaway is that electric power is a significantly more efficient use of energy.
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You are wrong and here's why in a visual presentation.

For example, you keep mentioning regenerative braking. That might be true in stop and go low speed urban traffic, but its utter bullshit to think it would work on highway driving over long distances where there is no breaking involved and speeds are much higher meaning higher rolling resistance and drag.
 
T. A. Gardner said:

You are wrong and here's why in a visual presentation.

For example, you keep mentioning regenerative braking. That might be true in stop and go low speed urban traffic, but its utter bullshit to think it would work on highway driving over long distances where there is no breaking involved and speeds are much higher meaning higher rolling resistance and drag.
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Whine all you want. EVs are taking over and all your bullshit isn't going to change a damn thing.

Tesla bursts into top 10 best-selling cars in the world with 2 models;
The industry should be scared

Tesla has burst into the top 10 best-selling cars in the world with not just one but two models in 2022. It’s something that the industry should be scared of, as manufacturing electric vehicles in volume becomes clearly disruptive.
It’s hard to argue against the fact that electric vehicles are taking over.
Their market shares are rising slowly but steadily in most markets, and while they still account for a small fraction of new car sales, there are a few tidbits of data that point clearly to EVs taking over the industry faster than people think.
A market like Norway is a good example and window into the future of the broader auto industry with now over 80% of new cars sales being electric, and fossil fuel-powered vehicle sales have slowed to a crawl.
Another good example is the fact that all the fastest-growing car models are electric, and they are now even reaching the top 10 best-selling vehicles in the world.
According to data compiled by Focus to Move, electric vehicles, more specifically the Tesla Model Y and Model 3, have entered the top 10 best-selling electric vehicles in the world:
Toyota Corolla: 1.12 million (down 2% vs last year)
Toyota RAV4: 870,000 (down 14% versus last year)
Ford F-Series: 787,000 (down 9% versus last year)
Tesla Model Y: 759,000 (up 88% versus last year)
Toyota Camry: 675,000 (down 3% versus last year)
Honda CR-V: 601,000 (down 18% versus last year)
Tesla Model 3: 596,000 (up 4% versus last year)
As you can see, Toyota remains dominant with three models within the top five best-selling passenger vehicles in the world.
However, every single model in the top 10 is down year-over-year except for Tesla’s two vehicles.
 
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Into the Night said:
More wind generators than solar panels. Neither is really a problem as far as farmland goes.

Larger farms will often use windmills to pump water up from a nearby source to irrigate their crops. It's a sensible use for them.
Solar panels are the most expensive method of generating power. Windmills are the 2nd most expensive.

Neither will produce enough power to charge the fleet of EVs these idiots seem to think is going to be built. They're piddle power.

A single coal plant will produce more power than a State filled with windmills.


You will notice, though, that the only thing these idiots can do is call you names. They have no argument left. They just post insults...nothing else.
It means you're on the right track and you have a lot that is correct and true.
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No, you fucking moron, that's not what any of this means.

You seem to be an autistic obsessive compulsive. You parse apart other people's posts, attach nonsensical gibberish to them, never link a source, ever, in your wasted and wasteful life, and then claim a victory that doesn't exist. You have mental disorders. As far as the declarative statements that you make without thinking, you are thoroughly full of shit and a lying asshole.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Whine all you want. EVs are taking over and all your bullshit isn't going to change a damn thing.
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So, there it is there. Joe Capitalist is actually Joe Fascist and wants to force everyone to do his bidding in a totalitarian world market where only EV's are allowed. No freedom of choice, no alternatives, nada, zip-point-shit. You either agree with Joe Fascist and take your crappy EV or you get nothing at all.

It still remains that the ONLY way EV's are gaining market share is by force of government. There is no popular sentiment or interest in them otherwise.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So, there it is there. Joe Capitalist is actually Joe Fascist and wants to force everyone to do his bidding in a totalitarian world market where only EV's are allowed. No freedom of choice, no alternatives, nada, zip-point-shit. You either agree with Joe Fascist and take your crappy EV or you get nothing at all.

It still remains that the ONLY way EV's are gaining market share is by force of government. There is no popular sentiment or interest in them otherwise.
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Do you really not know the difference between INCENTIVES and MANDATES? Are you really that stupid?
Methinks you either ARE that stupid or you know the difference but you choose to spread misinformation because EVs make you all butt-hurt for some strange reason.

Which is it, TA Garbler?
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Do you really not know the difference between INCENTIVES and MANDATES? Are you really that stupid?
Methinks you either ARE that stupid or you know the difference but you choose to spread misinformation because EVs make you all butt-hurt for some strange reason.
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Probably because TA can't afford one themselves. So they assume anyone who can pay $35K for a car is "eeeeelite" and they are jealous.

(Watch now they'll start screeeeeching about how expensive their F175000 is and how much it can tow! It's hilarious the way these mouthbreathers function)
 
Perry Phimosis said:
Probably because TA can't afford one themselves. So they assume anyone who can pay $35K for a car is "eeeeelite" and they are jealous.

(Watch now they'll start screeeeeching about how expensive their F175000 is and how much it can tow! It's hilarious the way these mouthbreathers function)
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Methinks TA is just a far right troll who parrots the right wing talking points no matter how inappropriate and outdated they are.
He's just not smart enough to think for himself. He has to rely on the RNC to do his thinking for him.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Methinks TA is just a far right troll who parrots the right wing talking points no matter how inappropriate and outdated they are.
He's just not smart enough to think for himself. He has to rely on the RNC to do his thinking for him.
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Yeah, that's HIGHLY likely as well. Have you seen TA post non-stop memes? It's weird. They are so triggered by literally EVERYTHING. No matter how made up the outrage is, if Tucker Carlson doesn't like it, TA has a meme about it.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Whine all you want. EVs are taking over and all your bullshit isn't going to change a damn thing.

Tesla bursts into top 10 best-selling cars in the world with 2 models;
The industry should be scared

Tesla has burst into the top 10 best-selling cars in the world with not just one but two models in 2022. It’s something that the industry should be scared of, as manufacturing electric vehicles in volume becomes clearly disruptive.
It’s hard to argue against the fact that electric vehicles are taking over.
Their market shares are rising slowly but steadily in most markets, and while they still account for a small fraction of new car sales, there are a few tidbits of data that point clearly to EVs taking over the industry faster than people think.
A market like Norway is a good example and window into the future of the broader auto industry with now over 80% of new cars sales being electric, and fossil fuel-powered vehicle sales have slowed to a crawl.
Another good example is the fact that all the fastest-growing car models are electric, and they are now even reaching the top 10 best-selling vehicles in the world.
According to data compiled by Focus to Move, electric vehicles, more specifically the Tesla Model Y and Model 3, have entered the top 10 best-selling electric vehicles in the world:
Toyota Corolla: 1.12 million (down 2% vs last year)
Toyota RAV4: 870,000 (down 14% versus last year)
Ford F-Series: 787,000 (down 9% versus last year)
Tesla Model Y: 759,000 (up 88% versus last year)
Toyota Camry: 675,000 (down 3% versus last year)
Honda CR-V: 601,000 (down 18% versus last year)
Tesla Model 3: 596,000 (up 4% versus last year)
As you can see, Toyota remains dominant with three models within the top five best-selling passenger vehicles in the world.
However, every single model in the top 10 is down year-over-year except for Tesla’s two vehicles.
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EVs are not taking over. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. Posting random numbers from propaganda sites is not going to change anything. Argument from randU fallacy. Special pleading fallacy.
 
Into the Night said:
You will notice, though, that the only thing these idiots can do is call you names. They have no argument left. They just post insults...nothing else.
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Diesel said:
No, you fucking moron, that's not what any of this means.

You seem to be an autistic obsessive compulsive. You parse apart other people's posts, attach nonsensical gibberish to them, never link a source, ever, in your wasted and wasteful life, and then claim a victory that doesn't exist. You have mental disorders. As far as the declarative statements that you make without thinking, you are thoroughly full of shit and a lying asshole.
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QED
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So, there it is there. Joe Capitalist is actually Joe Fascist and wants to force everyone to do his bidding in a totalitarian world market where only EV's are allowed. No freedom of choice, no alternatives, nada, zip-point-shit. You either agree with Joe Fascist and take your crappy EV or you get nothing at all.

It still remains that the ONLY way EV's are gaining market share is by force of government. There is no popular sentiment or interest in them otherwise.
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He's posting made up numbers of the market share too. Actual sales figures of all cars sold in 2022 tells quite a different story. So do the types of cars on the road (you only need to look at an average freeway to see it).
Joe Fascist is full of shit.
 
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Joe Capitalist said:
Do you really not know the difference between INCENTIVES and MANDATES? Are you really that stupid?
Methinks you either ARE that stupid or you know the difference but you choose to spread misinformation because EVs make you all butt-hurt for some strange reason.

Which is it, TA Garbler?
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Apparently YOU don't!

Obviously, stealing money from people to pay YOU incentives to buy an EV is just theft. It is fascism. It is a form of socialism.
The SDTC is going to ban gasoline cars in 2036. That's a MANDATE, dude. It is theft. It is fascism. It is a form of socialism.

It is YOU spreading misinformation. It is YOU posting random numbers from propaganda sites as 'data'. You don't get away with projecting YOUR problems on anybody else. These are YOUR problems.
Inversion fallacy. The favorite fallacy of Democrats.
Argument from randU fallacy. Another favorite fallacy of the Democrats...quoting made up numbers as 'data'.

You are gullible. You actually believe this shit you're posting. One only has to go out and observe any freeway to see how wrong you are.
You are a socialist. You argue for fascism and communism. You discard the Constitution of the United States and the constitutions of every State. You try to hide your socialism using your moniker name.

Yeah...what I am saying is harsh. It is meant to be. I have no patience with those that try to steal my wealth to support their religion, mandate anything in the market, or to purchase their car. You are confusing theft with charity. You're a thief.

The planet does not need to be "saved". You can't even define what "saving the planet" even means.
 
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Perry Phimosis said:
Yeah, that's HIGHLY likely as well. Have you seen TA post non-stop memes? It's weird. They are so triggered by literally EVERYTHING. No matter how made up the outrage is, if Tucker Carlson doesn't like it, TA has a meme about it.
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TA, LyinBitch, ExcessLies, ItN, TDaK, Gearl, Serendipshit, VolsSuck, dumberthanshit.... and the like are all the same. They hate EVs because the far right told them to and gave them bullshit talking points to post over here. The surge in EV sales over the last few years have really given them a major butt-hurt. It will continue as each year of EV sales beats the previous year. And they'll keep on wetting their little pink panties.

Isn't it amusing?
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Well all Putin has to sell that the world buys is oil


It’s why he is now raping Ukraine


It’s why he doesn’t care about retaining the infrastructure for Russia when they steal it



They want the BREADBASKET that is the Ukraine land


So he has something to sell once NO ONE wants his Oil anymore


Russia is fucked unless they change


And they need to start with offing Putin
 
Into the Night said:
Apparently YOU don't!

Obviously, stealing money from people to pay YOU incentives to buy an EV is just theft. It is fascism. It is a form of socialism.
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Yet you do it every single day when you drive your gasoline powered car.

Hypocrite.

Cue another stupid informal fallacy because you couldn't name one that was a formal logic fallacy.
 
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