New peak rates mean charging electric cars more expensive than petrol

[gfm7175]

Sunk costs.

... are still costs.

Paid for years ago

... which means that you still paid a certain amount up front, an amount that you refuse to admit because it was apparently a very high amount and is not actually saving you any money.

and it powers my entire house's electricity.

... only during the day time. Since you say that you have no "energy storage system" associated with it, then apparently you're SOL when it is night time or when the weather is cloudy.

So any cost related from the PV system would be fractions of a penny at this point.

Continued illiteracy in accounting/mathematics. The cost is much more than that.

Because I don't like, respect or know you.

I love you too. So does Jesus Christ.

You do NOT have a right to anything of my personal information that I wish you not to know. Sorry if you are such a totalitarian that you missed that bit.

Ahhhhh, the ol' "my personal information" cop out... Nice try, except I didn't ask you for any personal information. I simply asked you how much your solar PV unit costed. I think it's quite obvious why you refuse to admit how much you paid for it, and it has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of "personal information" that you're appealing to in order to cop out of answering the question.

And as I said, in the 7 years I"ve owned these I have paid for NONE of those things. Some with the 9 years prior system.

So now you're admitting that there ARE maintenance costs that you've paid (with the "prior system" anyway... the "current system" apparently someone else is paying them)?

So now we're up to TWO systems. Did you pay for the first one too? How much did you pay for THAT one? Sounds like these systems haven't been very cost effective for you...

 

[gfm7175]

Geez, I wouldn't tell any of these MAGA moron Election Deniers where I live. If they're crazy enough to follow Trump, they're crazy enough to do just about anything. I pay to live in an exclusive, gated community to keep that riff-raff away from me.

I hope that you enjoy your temporary "exclusive gated community" "away from the riff raff" here on Earth. I will one day enjoy a permanent "exclusive gated community" "away from the riff raff" in the next life, one that will last an eternity.

You can enjoy it too, if you simply repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your LORD and Savior.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hydrogen has to be compressed when stored if you want enough to go anywhere. You want to drive around with a tank of highly flammable compressed gas in your car?
You're a fucking moron.

We do that now with propane, methane, and other gases in some vehicles. Gasoline is flammable too. So, driving around with compressed, or better yet, liquid, hydrogen isn't a big deal. You enjoy driving around in a car with a nearly 2000 lbs. bomb called a battery in it that is as dangerous as a Pinto if it gets smacked hard enough...

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hydrogen has to be compressed when stored if you want enough to go anywhere. You want to drive around with a tank of highly flammable compressed gas in your car?
You're a fucking moron.

It doesn't have to be compressed if it's in a liquid state you retard. I can see you failed whatever basic science course you took in high school...

Aside from that, propane and methane (natural gas) are both used right now, today, as vehicle fuels and are COMPRESSED GASES! They aren't particularly dangerous as such. So, stop with the alarmist nonsense canard you are pushing.

 

[Into the Night]

Even your article admits that electric cars are cheaper than ice cars, if you charge the car at night. And it is only about UK cars, and only current prices.



Maybe you saw peak rates coming in England, but I am betting you are lying about seeing it coming. I am betting you are an American, who does not know the first thing about how electric rates in England are set. You just saw something that looked like bad news for EV's and are reposting it without thinking.

EVs are not cheaper than gasoline cars.

 

[Into the Night]

One of the main benefits of hydrogen cars is they are another way to get to electric cars through fuel cells. Why on earth would you want to try to invent an ICE engine that runs on hydrogen? It would be very ineffecient.

It's about the same. People have built both styles, and the efficiency runs about the same.

The disadvantage of hydrogen cars is the hydrogen. It must be manufactured. It takes more energy to make the hydrogen than you will get by using it in a car. That alone makes it less efficient than gasoline cars. Like charging EV's as the result of mandates, mass production of the necessary hydrogen is much more than the grid can handle.

Fuel cell technology has absolutely lousy acceleration because it takes a significant amount of time for the fuel cell to 'spin up'. Batteries are used for ballast to provide the needed acceleration, so the batteries are still needed, along with their weight and fire hazard. The pack does not need to be as large as an EV.

Another big disadvantage of hydrogen cars (either style) is the fueling cycle, which can easily take 30 minutes. The cause is the ideal gas law. Discharging high pressure gas into an empty tank will literally freeze the fuel nozzle to the car. It can take a good 30 minutes to thaw out again so the nozzle can be removed. These times are noted in L.A., where hydrogen cars are already driving around. The lines, of course, are lengthy.

 

[Into the Night]

Explain how solar or hydroelectric spends fuel.

Explain how you are charging your car at night using solar power!

 

[Into the Night]

No, I don't know that and neither do you.

Yes he does.

 

[Into the Night]

So, nuclear plants create dangerous toxic waste. You want to decommission all nuclear plants, I guess.

That 'dangerous toxic waste' is usable fuel for a different kind of reactor. The waste product of THAT reactor can be put into any landfill.

 

[Into the Night]

Hydrogen has to be compressed when stored if you want enough to go anywhere. You want to drive around with a tank of highly flammable compressed gas in your car?
You're a fucking moron.

These tanks are quite capable of storing 3000psi. Hydrogen tanks of this type are transported on welding trucks as a matter of routine (a DOT flammable hazard diamond must be on these trucks).
Tanks that store this much pressure must be hydrostatically tested from time to time (usually when they are filled for portable bottles). Tanks of this type are dangerous. Corrosion can easily render one into a serious explosion hazard.

 

[Into the Night]

We do that now with propane, methane, and other gases in some vehicles. Gasoline is flammable too. So, driving around with compressed, or better yet, liquid, hydrogen isn't a big deal. You enjoy driving around in a car with a nearly 2000 lbs. bomb called a battery in it that is as dangerous as a Pinto if it gets smacked hard enough...

As I said. High pressure tanks are subject to corrosion and can become a serious explosion hazard. 3000psi is no joke.

All fuels, as you correctly point out, are flammable. So are lithium batteries. Hydrogen cars have BOTH hazards of lithium batteries and flammable gas under high pressure.
Gasoline tanks incorrectly mounted are certainly a flammable hazard as well, but only during a collision. The Pinto was one such example, mounting the gas tank behind and below the pumpkin. Any rear-end collision would mash the tank into the hot pumpkin, creating a minor explosion and fire. Ford fixed the position of the tank, but the Pinto's reputation was pretty well sealed by that point.

Hydrogen cars still require the Li-ion batteries for electrical ballast. The fuel cell cannot come up to power fast enough for the acceleration demands made on the car.

 

[Into the Night]

It doesn't have to be compressed if it's in a liquid state you retard. I can see you failed whatever basic science course you took in high school...

Aside from that, propane and methane (natural gas) are both used right now, today, as vehicle fuels and are COMPRESSED GASES! They aren't particularly dangerous as such. So, stop with the alarmist nonsense canard you are pushing.

Hydrogen in a liquid state will only stay in a liquid state either under very low temperatures or under tremendous pressure. Since it is not practical to maintain such low temperatures in a car, you are back to high pressure tanks.

 

[LurchAddams]

Explain how you are charging your car at night using solar power!

Bonehead question.

You are cracking me up, pal. K - so here's how a solar system works:

The solar panels charge batteries. Batteries store electricity. Batteries provide the electricity.

That's how it works.

 

[LurchAddams]

That 'dangerous toxic waste' is usable fuel for a different kind of reactor. The waste product of THAT reactor can be put into any landfill.

Looks like you're correct for once. But for some reason the US doesn't recycle the spent fuel:

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5-fast-facts-about-spent-nuclear-fuel

"The United States does not currently recycle spent nuclear fuel but foreign countries, such as France, do."

 

[Into the Night]

Bonehead question.

You are cracking me up, pal. K - so here's how a solar system works:

The solar panels charge batteries. Batteries store electricity. Batteries provide the electricity.

That's how it works.

So you are charging your car battery from another battery! Sorry, dude. Not enough current to do that in less than several days!
Meantime, you have no power available for anything else!

You're making shit up!

 

[LurchAddams]

So you are charging your car battery from another battery! Sorry, dude. Not enough current to do that in less than several days!
Meantime, you have no power available for anything else!

You're making shit up!

No, Dude. You have solar panels on your home. The panels charge your home solar system. And your solar system charges your car when you plug the car charger into the outlet at night.

You're welcome.

 

[ptif219]

A food shortage?

Just look at the farmland the solar farms are being built on

https://www.google.com/search?clien...ABHd8PB1YQjJkEegQIChAC&biw=1728&bih=927&dpr=2

 

[ptif219]

No, I don't know that and neither do you.

Yes I do know it. It will either create black outs or a food shortage or both

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No, Dude. You have solar panels on your home. The panels charge your home solar system. And your solar system charges your car when you plug the car charger into the outlet at night.

You're welcome.

Solar panels on your house just mean you paid for 20 years of electricity today, that's all. Those panels cost money. Installation costs money. The typical ROI on home solar is 16 to 20 years out. Sure your electric bill goes down, but the payment for those panels more than makes up for it.

 

[LurchAddams]

Solar panels on your house just mean you paid for 20 years of electricity today, that's all. Those panels cost money. Installation costs money. The typical ROI on home solar is 16 to 20 years out. Sure your electric bill goes down, but the payment for those panels more than makes up for it.

I don't think so. If that were true so many people wouldn't be doing it. I see solar panels on homes all around S. Texas - not exactly Biden country.

"After you've made it through the payback period—which is usually around 7 – 10 years—and you've gotten your tax credits from the federal government, your solar energy system will be all profit.Aug 19, 2020"

It also boosts your home value.

"Is residential solar really worth it?
Yes! One of the most significant benefits of going solar is the boost in home value panels provide. Zillow estimates that your home value will jump by around 4.1 percent when you go solar, which comes out to an average value increase of $31,093 in California."