New evidence shows Flynn innocent, Obama criminals falsely prosecuted him

[montgomery]

do you know what a bot is? is this the new word old people throw around not knowing anything? what programming language do you think it's written in? why do you think OP can pass the turing test? like do you know how dumb you sound when you call people bots?

Man, I'm totally with you on that! But it's not beyond the rules and so I don't waste my time complaining about that and similar bullshit behaviour of the children. It's the affliction of a forum on which the white trash talk is the norm and the adults just have to try to rise above it. You complaining about it just makes it worse! They crave an audience.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

OMG. even the judge is fudged up!

what a morass of concocted bullshit this entire thing has become

I think Flynn is protecting his son. Mueller probably dug up a traffic ticket and threatened Flynn that he would put the kid away for 100 years.

What parent wouldn’t fall on a sword for their kid?

Well a leftist parent wouldn’t.

 

[kudzu]

What is a special counsel?

A special counsel is appointed when the attorney general (or, when he is recused, the acting attorney general – which is why it was the responsibility of Rosenstein and not Jeff Sessions) believes a criminal investigation into something or someone is warranted, but there would be a conflict of interest if the Department of Justice or a U.S. Attorney’s Office directly ran the investigation as they normally would.

The attorney general also has to believe that it’s in the public interest for a special counsel to take charge.



The case for a special counsel in these circumstances was relatively clear, given that the investigation started by the FBI was looking into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign (which Comey confirmed in testimony before the House Intelligence Committee back in March).

That case was strengthened when Trump fired Comey and it emerged that Comey said Trump had leaned on him to end the investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

Democrats had been pressuring Rosenstein to appoint a counsel because he wrote a memo originally used by the White House to publicly justify Comey’s firing.

In a statement announcing Mueller’s appointment, Rosenstein wrote that, “based upon the unique circumstances, the public interest requires me to place this investigation under the authority of a person who exercises a degree of independence from the normal chain of command.”

The counsel has to be a lawyer from outside the U.S. government “with a reputation for integrity and impartial decisionmaking,” as well as appropriate experience. Mueller headed up the FBI for twelve years and is widely respected.

A special counsel serves a similar purpose to a special prosecutor or independent counsel, but the terminology has changed as different laws have governed the position.

Unlike the independent counsel, whose legal authorities under congressional statute expired, the special counsel is not wholly independent of the Justice Department, and may be removed for cause. The position is governed by a set of Department of Justice regulations, introduced in 1999 – 28 CFR Part 600.

A potentially important note: Rosenstein has the power to discontinue the investigation when it comes up for annual review. The regulation states: The special counsel must report to Attorney General annually and submit a budget request, at which point “[t]he Attorney General shall determine whether the investigation should continue and, if so, establish the budget for the next year.”

What is Mueller investigating?

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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-pres...ecutor-robert-mueller-so-whats-his-job-637074

 

[kudzu]

I think Flynn is protecting his son. Mueller probably dug up a traffic ticket and threatened Flynn that he would put the kid away for 100 years.

What parent wouldn’t fall on a sword for their kid?

Well a leftist parent wouldn’t.

Nope.. Flynn's crimes are about what he did in Turkey and Russia before and during his tenure as National Security Advisor.. Why didn't you know that by now?

 

[kudzu]

OMG. even the judge is fudged up!

what a morass of concocted bullshit this entire thing has become

Nope.. The judge actually gave Flynn a break. Not everyone is like Trump.. I mean we really need statemen in the WH not real estate agents. Remember? Remember moral leadership?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Nope.. Flynn's crimes are about what he did in Turkey and Russia before and during his tenure as National Security Advisor.. Why didn't you know that by now?

What tenure?

 

[Mr.Badguy]

I think Flynn is protecting his son. Mueller probably dug up a traffic ticket and threatened Flynn that he would put the kid away for 100 years.

What parent wouldn’t fall on a sword for their kid?

Well a leftist parent wouldn’t.

Nice imagination you got there, have you ever thought about taking up creative writing?

 

[kudzu]

What tenure?

Tenure= the holding of an office.. Not exactly a wordsmith are you?

 

[Jarod]

I giggle every tome I rest the headline on this thread! Reality is hard for Rumppers!

 

[dukkha]

Nope.. The judge actually gave Flynn a break. Not everyone is like Trump.. I mean we really need statemen in the WH not real estate agents. Remember? Remember moral leadership?

oh please.Politicians are moral leaders? and if that's where you look for morals -you are not going to find them in DC.

Trump hasn't done any wars like Iraq or Libya though if you want "morals"

Flynn should never have even been there. The FBI ginned up the crime out of nothing of his doing

 

[artichoke]

What we now know...

1) More evidence emerging showing Flynn never lied, was falsely prosecuted.

Deroy Murdock: Michael Flynn is innocent – his guilty plea should be thrown out

According to the FBI notes, Flynn spoke openly about his contacts with Russian officials, starting with a 2013 official visit to Russia while he was in the Army and directed the Defense Intelligence Agency [not the behavior of someone who is lying about Russian contacts].

Flynn maintained and enhanced communications with Russians for several years, up to and including the presidential transition period after Donald Trump was elected president. This was normal and appropriate for an incoming national security adviser, so that the new Trump administration could begin conducting diplomacy with foreign powers starting on Inauguration Day. The FBI notes on the interview with Flynn state: “Flynn’s interest in Russia was as a common partner in the war on terror. Flynn does not know if (Russian President Vladimir) Putin and Trump will get along, but it is Flynn’s job to figure out paths to work with Russia to fight terrorism.”

Flynn confirmed and openly discussed several meetings and phone conversations with Kislyak. The FBI document notes that Flynn’s “intent was to try to keep the relationship with Kislyak going. Flynn expanded that he has no particular affinity for Russia, but that Kislyak was his counterpart, and maintaining trusted relationships with foreign governments is important”...

...The FBI document shows Flynn speaking openly and candidly about his contacts with Kislyak and other Russians. If Flynn had wanted to conceal such connections, it seems he would have lied much more broadly and denied much more [not the behavior of someone who is lying about Russian contacts]. Against this backdrop, Flynn’s two apparent false statements to Strzok and his FBI colleague seem more a matter of inexactitude or Comeyesque amnesia rather than full-blown deceit... Indeed, “Deputy (FBI) Director (Andrew) McCabe acknowledged that ‘the two people who interviewed (Flynn) didn’t think he was lying, (which) was not (a) great beginning of a false statement case,’” the House Intelligence Committee reported in May [not what investigators would conclude regarding someone who is lying about Russian contacts].

An FBI 302 file (the name the FBI gives interview notes) on Flynn’s interview with Strzok and his colleague concurred: “Throughout the interview, Flynn had a very ‘sure’ demeanor and did not give any indicators of deception. He did not parse his words or hesitate in any of his answers. He only hedged once, which they documented in the 302. Strzok and (redacted) both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” Rather than being fidgety, shifty and evasive – like a liar – the 302 says that “Flynn was unguarded and clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.”

This is in addition to Obama illegally recording the phone calls, illegally unmasking Flynn’s name, and illegally leaking everything to the media so that Flynn could be fraudulently lured into a perjury trap over literally any inconsistency in his testimony, whether it was actually a lie or not), which Comey openly admits was a flagrant violation of DOJ policy (and of basic ethics rules).

2) Flynn was coerced with threats that the DOJ would personally destroy his son if he did not give them everything they wanted, which is why he ended up falsely pleading guilty to a non-crime.

3) The judge in the Flynn case apparently has a wildly rogue agenda of his own. For a decorated general with 33 years of honorable service to the U.S. Army and zero blemishes, on a first offense, with the conversation having nothing at all to do with anything even vaguely resembling collusion, with the FBI agents who interviewed him acknowledging that he never actually lied and everyone involved recommending no jail time for his manufactured "crime"...Judge Sullivan is abandoning all known precedent and established law to derail into hysterics about "treason" (Flynn's non-crime is nothing like levying war on the U.S. or giving aid and comfort to a nation with which we are at war) and acting like his work for Turkey (a NATO ally) is in any way unusual or scandalous.

Flynn's real crime was calling out Obama's disastrous policies on ISIS. This couldn't be made to look more like a fraudulent witch hunt if Democrats tried.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Nope.. The judge actually gave Flynn a break. Not everyone is like Trump.. I mean we really need statemen in the WH not real estate agents. Remember? Remember moral leadership?

Fuck me rigid, your golden boy MBS had one opponent killed in Turkey and many others tortured in Saudi yet you just brush off any criticism. You are extremely difficult to take seriously, you're a very odd person.

 

[kudzu]

Fuck me rigid, your golden boy MBS had one opponent killed in Turkey and many others tortured in Saudi yet you just brush off any criticism. You are extremely difficult to take seriously, you're a very odd person.

Killing Khashoggi was clearly a huge mistake..

Khashoggi like some other MB militants are promoting an Arab Spring and the overthrow of the SAG.. I think that is a problem. KSA has invested billions and 80 years in moving the country and its people forward in healthcare, education and job creation. In 1940 they lived as people had at the time of Christ.. Illiteracy was the norm. There was NO concept of a work week or a paycheck.. Smallbox, malaria and blindness were the norm.

 

[kudzu]

What we now know...

1) More evidence emerging showing Flynn never lied, was falsely prosecuted.

Deroy Murdock: Michael Flynn is innocent – his guilty plea should be thrown out



This is in addition to Obama illegally recording the phone calls, illegally unmasking Flynn’s name, and illegally leaking everything to the media so that Flynn could be fraudulently lured into a perjury trap over literally any inconsistency in his testimony, whether it was actually a lie or not), which Comey openly admits was a flagrant violation of DOJ policy (and of basic ethics rules).

2) Flynn was coerced with threats that the DOJ would personally destroy his son if he did not give them everything they wanted, which is why he ended up falsely pleading guilty to a non-crime.

3) The judge in the Flynn case apparently has a wildly rogue agenda of his own. For a decorated general with 33 years of honorable service to the U.S. Army and zero blemishes, on a first offense, with the conversation having nothing at all to do with anything even vaguely resembling collusion, with the FBI agents who interviewed him acknowledging that he never actually lied and everyone involved recommending no jail time for his manufactured "crime"...Judge Sullivan is abandoning all known precedent and established law to derail into hysterics about "treason" (Flynn's non-crime is nothing like levying war on the U.S. or giving aid and comfort to a nation with which we are at war) and acting like his work for Turkey (a NATO ally) is in any way unusual or scandalous.

Flynn's real crime was calling out Obama's disastrous policies on ISIS. This couldn't be made to look more like a fraudulent witch hunt if Democrats tried.

Flynn was NOT coerced to commit treason before and during his work as National Security adviser.

Flynn's crime under Obama was his inability to manage his people and his penchant for conspiracy theories as well as his autocratic style.

What is YOUR justification for championing these greedy, unAmerican liars?

 

[Ross Dolan]

I think Flynn is protecting his son. Mueller probably dug up a traffic ticket and threatened Flynn that he would put the kid away for 100 years.

Yeah...because Trump loving chumps like you cannot conceive of a guy pleading guilty because he actually IS GUILTY.

The guy lied to the FBI and to administration officials. He acknowledged he lied to the FBI; he got fired by the abomination, Donald Trump, supposedly for lying to administration officials. His lawyers got stupidly over-zealous with that "the FBI lead him astray" bullshit...and the judge, as he is supposed to, wanted to be sure the guilty plea was REAL.

Apparently it was.

Only the Trump ass-kissers are stupid enough to try to rationalize this crap.

What parent wouldn’t fall on a sword for their kid?

Donald Trump is very iffy in that area. My guess: He might not. He might try a pardon before trial...but he very well might not "fall on his sword" for anyone! But that is probably just because he is a worthless scum bag.

Well a leftist parent wouldn’t.

Only a right-wing asshole would think that. (Is right-wing asshole a type of redundancy?)

 

[kudzu]

Yeah...because Trump loving chumps like you cannot conceive of a guy pleading guilty because he actually IS GUILTY.

The guy lied to the FBI and to administration officials. He acknowledged he lied to the FBI; he got fired by the abomination, Donald Trump, supposedly for lying to administration officials. His lawyers got stupidly over-zealous with that "the FBI lead him astray" bullshit...and the judge, as he is supposed to, wanted to be sure the guilty plea was REAL.

Apparently it was.

Only the Trump ass-kissers are stupid enough to try to rationalize this crap.



Donald Trump is very iffy in that area. My guess: He might not. He might try a pardon before trial...but he very well might not "fall on his sword" for anyone! But that is probably just because he is a worthless scum bag.





Only a right-wing asshole would think that. (Is right-wing asshole a type of redundancy?)

Rosenstein testifies that he wrote the letter about Comey AFTER Trump decided to fire him.. Is Rosenstein also a liar?

 

[Ross Dolan]

What we now know...

1) More evidence emerging showing Flynn never lied, was falsely prosecuted.

Deroy Murdock: Michael Flynn is innocent – his guilty plea should be thrown out



This is in addition to Obama illegally recording the phone calls, illegally unmasking Flynn’s name, and illegally leaking everything to the media so that Flynn could be fraudulently lured into a perjury trap over literally any inconsistency in his testimony, whether it was actually a lie or not), which Comey openly admits was a flagrant violation of DOJ policy (and of basic ethics rules).

2) Flynn was coerced with threats that the DOJ would personally destroy his son if he did not give them everything they wanted, which is why he ended up falsely pleading guilty to a non-crime.

3) The judge in the Flynn case apparently has a wildly rogue agenda of his own. For a decorated general with 33 years of honorable service to the U.S. Army and zero blemishes, on a first offense, with the conversation having nothing at all to do with anything even vaguely resembling collusion, with the FBI agents who interviewed him acknowledging that he never actually lied and everyone involved recommending no jail time for his manufactured "crime"...Judge Sullivan is abandoning all known precedent and established law to derail into hysterics about "treason" (Flynn's non-crime is nothing like levying war on the U.S. or giving aid and comfort to a nation with which we are at war) and acting like his work for Turkey (a NATO ally) is in any way unusual or scandalous.

Flynn's real crime was calling out Obama's disastrous policies on ISIS. This couldn't be made to look more like a fraudulent witch hunt if Democrats tried.

FLYNN ENTERED A GUILTY PLEA IN FEDERAL COURT...AND AVOWED THAT HE DEFINITELY LIED TO THE FBI.

You right-wing assholes have got to get a grip on it! (Not your dicks...your, for want of a better term, MINDS.)

 

[Ross Dolan]

Flynn was NOT coerced to commit treason before and during his work as National Security adviser.

Flynn's crime under Obama was his inability to manage his people and his penchant for conspiracy theories as well as his autocratic style.

What is YOUR justification for championing these greedy, unAmerican liars?

Not only is his case NOT going to be "thrown out"...the judge, despite pleas from both the defense and prosecution, may sentence him to prison.

The kind of crap Arminius is peddling here is only for the chumps in the room.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Rosenstein testifies that he wrote the letter about Comey AFTER Trump decided to fire him.. Is Rosenstein also a liar?

Yup. And the abomination confirmed that the decision to fire Comey was made before the letter from Rosenstein.

 

[kudzu]

Not only is his case NOT going to be "thrown out"...the judge, despite pleas from both the defense and prosecution, may sentence him to prison.

The kind of crap Arminius is peddling here is only for the chumps in the room.

What is Arminius motive? Does he think he can promote enough lies and chaos to clear Trump and his pack of carpetbaggers?