New C.D.C. Director Resists Ouster as Other Officials Resign

watching you clowns behave is comical.

not a single democrat approved her hiring, but you all act like pussies when she is fired

this is what TDS looks like to a sane person
We already went over her confirmation hearing. The dems were wrong about her fealty to Trump and Kennedy. So, when she refused to drink from the cult cup, she got fired.

Nothing new here. We’ve seen this pattern before. Why you think it’s news means you have the attention span of a guppy.
 
The vaccine chief also resigned, saying CDC had become a political tool rather than a scientific institution. He pulled no punches in his resignation letter. Among other ststements:

“people of dubious intent and more dubious scientific rigor in charge of recommending vaccine policy to a director hamstrung and sidelined by an authoritarian leader."
Science is not a 'rigor', Dumber. Science is not a government agency or institution.
 
We already went over her confirmation hearing. The dems were wrong about her fealty to Trump and Kennedy. So, when she refused to drink from the cult cup, she got fired.

Nothing new here. We’ve seen this pattern before. Why you think it’s news means you have the attention span of a guppy.
the part you retards are wrong about is how we care about what you think, feel, or say

you lost. you are a fucking loser. and all you do is lie and talk shit about shit

so yeah - NOTHING NEW HERE
 
the part you retards are wrong about is how we care about what you think, feel, or say

you lost. you are a fucking loser. and all you do is lie and talk shit about shit

so yeah - NOTHING NEW HERE
Yep. Nothing new except your fixation on the same kind of event that’s happened time and again with Jabba the Orange. But, guppy brains forget almost immediately. For you cultists, that’s a godsend.
 
Yep. Nothing new except your fixation on the same kind of event that’s happened time and again with Jabba the Orange. But, guppy brains forget almost immediately. For you cultists, that’s a godsend.
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thread subject - shit stain resists ouster

you got nothing to offer dip shit
 
I'd first like to say why I liked your post- you managed it. I'd begun to think that posting without insults in this thread was beyond you for the forseeable future. I'm glad that I was mistaken.

Alright, as to your quote from Dr. Demetre, former Director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC, I'm glad he was civil in his resignation letter. Getting back to the subject of this thread, the new (now former) C.D.C. Director's firing, Children's Health Defense wrote a good article on the subject here:

Quoting the introduction from said article below:
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The White House confirmed the firing of CDC Director Susan Monarez late Wednesday after U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. tried to force her resignation and she refused to leave, The New York Times reported. Kennedy defended the move, saying it “may be that some people should not be working there.”

by Brenda Baletti, Ph.D.

August 28, 2025

U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said today on Fox News’ “Fox & Friends,” reported by The Hill, that he is “not surprised” by the upheaval at the CDC following yesterday’s firing of the agency’s director.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “is in trouble, and we need to fix it — and we are fixing it — and it may be that some people should not be working there anymore,” Kennedy said.

The White House confirmed late Wednesday that CDC Director Susan Monarez was fired after Kennedy tried to force her resignation and she refused to leave, The New York Times reported.

Four other CDC officials then resigned, citing their frustration with Kennedy’s leadership.

Monarez, confirmed by the U.S. Senate less than a month ago, reportedly clashed with Kennedy over changes in vaccine policy, according to The Washington Post, which first broke the story.

The agency needs “strong leadership” that will “be able to execute on President Trump’s broad ambitions,” Kennedy told Fox News.

Kennedy also said the CDC has placed too great an emphasis on water fluoridation, vaccines and abortion.

In an interview on Steve Bannon’s “War Room” this morning, Children’s Health Defense CEO Mary Holland said the Monarez conflict marked a “threshold moment,” especially given the pharma-backed mainstream response to recent moves at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that demonstrate the battle over vaccine policy is heating up.

In a statement, Holland also said:

“What is clear from the past 24 hours is that there was a lack of alignment between the CDC director and the administration. From what we know, director Monarez did not want to implement the president’s and secretary’s agenda, and, as expected when a political appointee does not follow the administration they serve, she was dismissed. Her termination, along with the resignations of the others, is a liberation for the CDC.

“The agency’s mission is to serve the public, but for the last two decades, it has served the pharmaceutical industry at the expense of public health. We are hopeful that the new leadership chosen by Secretary Kennedy and the president will return the agency to its original mission and restore the public’s trust.”

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Why anybody in their right mind would want to head a Trump agency, beyond his toadies that is, is beyond me.

I wonder if you even read what I quoted from Brenda Baletti's article.
 
I would have voted for RFK Jr. too, if I were American. Same with Sanders. I think Sanders isn't nearly on point as RFK Jr. when it comes to Big Pharma, but still better than some I've seen and I suspect he'd have been better with Russia.
Big Pharma is looting us bigly

Glad we agree on that at any rate.

Big Pharma is looting us bigly, but that has nothing to do with Trump putting a non-medically trained conspiracy nut in charge of health.

So many people turn to insults, it's pretty sad. I'll let it pass this time. Before RFK Jr. turned to politics, he was a lawyer. His knowledge of vaccines and the vaccine industry is the result of years of research. There's probably over a hundred articles on Children's Health Defense on his work, much of it regarding vaccines. Feel free to search for RFK Jr. on their search engine to see for yourself:

He also wrote a best selling book on Anthony Fauci back in 2021 that I purchased that I thought was quite good. Here's the description of the book on Amazon.com:
**
#1 on AMAZON, TWENTY WEEKS on the NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER LIST, and a WALL STREET JOURNAL, USA TODAY and PUBLISHERS WEEKLY NATIONAL BESTSELLER

Over 1,000,000 copies sold despite censorship, boycotts from bookstores and libraries, and hit pieces against the author.

Pharma-funded mainstream media has convinced millions of Americans that Dr. Anthony Fauci is a hero. Hands down, he is anything but.

As director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Dr. Anthony Fauci dispenses $6.1 billion in annual taxpayer-provided funding for rigged scientific research, allowing him to dictate the subject, content, and outcome of scientific health research across the globe—truly a dark agenda. Fauci uses the financial clout at his disposal in a back handed manner to wield extraordinary influence over hospitals, universities, journals, and thousands of influential doctors and scientists—whose careers and institutions he has the power to ruin, advance, or reward in an authoritarian manner.

During more than a year of painstaking and meticulous research on his laptop and through interviews, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. unearthed a shocking story that obliterates media spin on Dr. Fauci . . . and that will alarm every American—Democrat or Republican—who cares about democracy, our Constitution, and the future of our children’s health.

The Real Anthony Fauci reveals how “America’s Doctor” launched his career during the early AIDS crisis by partnering with pharmaceutical companies to sabotage safe and effective off-patent therapeutic treatments for AIDS. Fauci orchestrated fraudulent do-nothing studies, and then pressured US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulators into approving a deadly chemotherapy treatment he had good reason to know was worthless against AIDS. Fauci did the unthinkable and repeatedly violated federal laws to allow his Pharma partners to use impoverished and dark-skinned children as lab rats in beyond order, deadly experiments with toxic AIDS and cancer chemotherapies.

In early 2000, Fauci shook hands with Bill Gates in the library of Gates’ $147 million Seattle mansion, cementing a partnership that would aim to control an increasingly profitable $60 billion global vaccine enterprise with unlimited growth potential. Through funding leverage and carefully cultivated personal relationships with heads of state and leading media and social media institutions, the Pharma-Fauci-Gates alliance exercises dominion over global health policy and our beautiful country.

This is not just another political book. The Real Anthony Fauci details how Fauci, Gates, and their cohorts use their control of media outlets—both conservative and liberal leaning, scientific journals, key government and quasi-governmental agencies, global intelligence agencies, and influential scientists and physicians to flood the public with fearful propaganda about COVID-19 virulence and pathogenesis, and to muzzle debate and ruthlessly censor dissent.

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Source:
 
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thread subject - shit stain resists ouster

you got nothing to offer dip shit
Only the truth, cultist. The dems got it wrong on her attachment to Kennedy. She saw the buffoon for what he and his boss were and she got fired when she didn’t play their game.

Same shit we’ve seen many times before with the Orange Oaf. Move on, bitch. Your obsession is noted for the forum.
 
Glad we agree on that at any rate.



So many people turn to insults, it's pretty sad. I'll let it pass this time. Before RFK Jr. turned to politics, he was a lawyer. His knowledge of vaccines and the vaccine industry is the result of years of research. There's probably over a hundred articles on Children's Health Defense on his work, much of it regarding vaccines. Feel free to search for RFK Jr. on their search engine to see for yourself:

He also wrote a best selling book on Anthony Fauci back in 2021 that I purchased that I thought was quite good. Here's the description of the book on Amazon.com:
**
#1 on AMAZON, TWENTY WEEKS on the NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER LIST, and a WALL STREET JOURNAL, USA TODAY and PUBLISHERS WEEKLY NATIONAL BESTSELLER

Over 1,000,000 copies sold despite censorship, boycotts from bookstores and libraries, and hit pieces against the author.

Pharma-funded mainstream media has convinced millions of Americans that Dr. Anthony Fauci is a hero. Hands down, he is anything but.

As director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Dr. Anthony Fauci dispenses $6.1 billion in annual taxpayer-provided funding for rigged scientific research, allowing him to dictate the subject, content, and outcome of scientific health research across the globe—truly a dark agenda. Fauci uses the financial clout at his disposal in a back handed manner to wield extraordinary influence over hospitals, universities, journals, and thousands of influential doctors and scientists—whose careers and institutions he has the power to ruin, advance, or reward in an authoritarian manner.

During more than a year of painstaking and meticulous research on his laptop and through interviews, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. unearthed a shocking story that obliterates media spin on Dr. Fauci . . . and that will alarm every American—Democrat or Republican—who cares about democracy, our Constitution, and the future of our children’s health.

The Real Anthony Fauci reveals how “America’s Doctor” launched his career during the early AIDS crisis by partnering with pharmaceutical companies to sabotage safe and effective off-patent therapeutic treatments for AIDS. Fauci orchestrated fraudulent do-nothing studies, and then pressured US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulators into approving a deadly chemotherapy treatment he had good reason to know was worthless against AIDS. Fauci did the unthinkable and repeatedly violated federal laws to allow his Pharma partners to use impoverished and dark-skinned children as lab rats in beyond order, deadly experiments with toxic AIDS and cancer chemotherapies.

In early 2000, Fauci shook hands with Bill Gates in the library of Gates’ $147 million Seattle mansion, cementing a partnership that would aim to control an increasingly profitable $60 billion global vaccine enterprise with unlimited growth potential. Through funding leverage and carefully cultivated personal relationships with heads of state and leading media and social media institutions, the Pharma-Fauci-Gates alliance exercises dominion over global health policy and our beautiful country.

This is not just another political book. The Real Anthony Fauci details how Fauci, Gates, and their cohorts use their control of media outlets—both conservative and liberal leaning, scientific journals, key government and quasi-governmental agencies, global intelligence agencies, and influential scientists and physicians to flood the public with fearful propaganda about COVID-19 virulence and pathogenesis, and to muzzle debate and ruthlessly censor dissent.

**

Source:
Kennedy says it. Must be true. Just like his claims that vaccines cause autism.
 
I wonder if you even read what I quoted from Brenda Baletti's article.
No surprise there. That is an anti-vaxxer group, responsible for a great deal of misinformation on vaccines. Started as another group that was chaired by Kennedy.

Proponents of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID.

Quacks all around.

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So many people turn to insults, it's pretty sad. I'll let it pass this time. Before RFK Jr. turned to politics, he was a lawyer. His knowledge of vaccines and the vaccine industry is the result of years of research. There's probably over a hundred articles on Children's Health Defense on his work, much of it regarding vaccines. Feel free to search for RFK Jr. on their search engine to see for yourself:

He also wrote a best selling book on Anthony Fauci back in 2021 that I purchased that I thought was quite good. Here's the description of the book on Amazon.com:
**
#1 on AMAZON, TWENTY WEEKS on the NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER LIST, and a WALL STREET JOURNAL, USA TODAY and PUBLISHERS WEEKLY NATIONAL BESTSELLER

Over 1,000,000 copies sold despite censorship, boycotts from bookstores and libraries, and hit pieces against the author.

Pharma-funded mainstream media has convinced millions of Americans that Dr. Anthony Fauci is a hero. Hands down, he is anything but.

As director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Dr. Anthony Fauci dispenses $6.1 billion in annual taxpayer-provided funding for rigged scientific research, allowing him to dictate the subject, content, and outcome of scientific health research across the globe—truly a dark agenda. Fauci uses the financial clout at his disposal in a back handed manner to wield extraordinary influence over hospitals, universities, journals, and thousands of influential doctors and scientists—whose careers and institutions he has the power to ruin, advance, or reward in an authoritarian manner.

During more than a year of painstaking and meticulous research on his laptop and through interviews, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. unearthed a shocking story that obliterates media spin on Dr. Fauci . . . and that will alarm every American—Democrat or Republican—who cares about democracy, our Constitution, and the future of our children’s health.

The Real Anthony Fauci reveals how “America’s Doctor” launched his career during the early AIDS crisis by partnering with pharmaceutical companies to sabotage safe and effective off-patent therapeutic treatments for AIDS. Fauci orchestrated fraudulent do-nothing studies, and then pressured US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulators into approving a deadly chemotherapy treatment he had good reason to know was worthless against AIDS. Fauci did the unthinkable and repeatedly violated federal laws to allow his Pharma partners to use impoverished and dark-skinned children as lab rats in beyond order, deadly experiments with toxic AIDS and cancer chemotherapies.

In early 2000, Fauci shook hands with Bill Gates in the library of Gates’ $147 million Seattle mansion, cementing a partnership that would aim to control an increasingly profitable $60 billion global vaccine enterprise with unlimited growth potential. Through funding leverage and carefully cultivated personal relationships with heads of state and leading media and social media institutions, the Pharma-Fauci-Gates alliance exercises dominion over global health policy and our beautiful country.

This is not just another political book. The Real Anthony Fauci details how Fauci, Gates, and their cohorts use their control of media outlets—both conservative and liberal leaning, scientific journals, key government and quasi-governmental agencies, global intelligence agencies, and influential scientists and physicians to flood the public with fearful propaganda about COVID-19 virulence and pathogenesis, and to muzzle debate and ruthlessly censor dissent.

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Source:
Kennedy says it. Must be true. Just like his claims that vaccines cause autism.

For starters, RFK Jr. is hardly the only person who has found Fauci to be quite corrupt or that vaccines may cause autism.

In Fauci's case, Children's Health Defense wrote an article about him back in 2020, which can be seen here:

As to vaccines causing autism, there's a website dedicated to linking to over 200 papers that provide evidence that vaccines may cause autism. It's here:
 
For starters, RFK Jr. is hardly the only person who has found Fauci to be quite corrupt or that vaccines may cause autism.

In Fauci's case, Children's Health Defense wrote an article about him back in 2020, which can be seen here:

As to vaccines causing autism, there's a website dedicated to linking to over 200 papers that provide evidence that vaccines may cause autism. It's here:
Your organization is an anti-vax organization. Umbilically tied to Kennedy, as well. That’s why they support him. Full of misinformation and quackery. For the sake of whatever little credibility you have, it’s best that you stop citing them.

The same goes for your other quack cite.
 
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For starters, RFK Jr. is hardly the only person who has found Fauci to be quite corrupt or that vaccines may cause autism.

In Fauci's case, Children's Health Defense wrote an article about him back in 2020, which can be seen here:

As to vaccines causing autism, there's a website dedicated to linking to over 200 papers that provide evidence that vaccines may cause autism. It's here:
Your organization is an anti-vax organization.

I'm going to assume that you're referring to Children's Health Defense. I'm not sure if howdovaccinescauseautism.org is linked to an organization- it may just be one person spending a lot of time finding links to papers providing evidence that vaccines may cause autism. With that said, I'm not sure that everyone behind Children's Health Defense is "anti-vax", as you put it. I -do- know that they have provided a lot of evidence that vaccines can be harmful.

Your organization is an anti-vax organization. Umbilically tied to Kennedy, as well. That’s why they support him.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'umbillically tied to Kennedy', but I know he founded Children's Health Defense. Children's Health Defense has an article that gets into the details. I'll quote the start of the article below:
**

Environmental and humanitarian legend RFK Jr., mainstream media and the very corrupt CDC

Interview by Rita Shreffler, CHD Director of Advocacy & Outreach

For over three decades, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been one of the world’s leading environmental advocates. He is the founder of Waterkeeper Alliance, the umbrella group for 300 local Waterkeeper organizations, in 34 countries, that track down and sue polluters. Under his leadership, Waterkeeper has grown to become the world’s largest clean water advocacy organization.

Around 2005, parents of vaccine-injured children began encountering Kennedy’s speeches and writings about the toxic mercury-based preservative thimerosal. They embraced new hope that this environmental champion would finally expose the truth about vaccine injury and win justice for injured children. Kennedy is known for his fierce and relentless brand of environmental activism and his advocacy for transparent government and rigorous science. He is now applying his tenacious energies and sophisticated strategies to exposing fraud and corruption within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the pharmaceutical industry. Last month, he launched his new non-profit, Children’s Health Defense, with vaccine safety advocates Lyn Redwood and Laura Bono, legends themselves among parents of vaccine-injured children. Autism File executive editor Rita Shreffler spoke with Kennedy about CDC corruption, pharmaceutical industry greed, media malpractice and his vision for the Children’s Health Defense.

Rita Shreffler: How did you first get involved in the autism-vaccine controversy?

Robert F. Kennedy: I was dragged kicking and screaming into this brawl. By the early 2000s, I was fighting multiple lawsuits on behalf of Riverkeeper and Waterkeeper against coal-fired power plants. I was touring the country speaking about, among other things, the dangers of mercury emissions, which, by then, had contaminated virtually every freshwater fish in America. Following many of these appearances, mothers would approach me. Their tone was always respectful but mildly scolding. They said that if I was serious about eliminating the perils of mercury, I needed to look at thimerosal. Vaccines, they claimed, were the biggest vector for mercury exposure in children. I really didn’t want to get involved because vaccines were pretty remote from my wheelhouse. I’d always been pro-vaccine. I had all my kids vaccinated and got my annual flu shot every year. But, I was impressed by these women. Many of them were professionals: doctors, lawyers, scientists, nurses and pharmacists. They were overwhelmingly solid, well-educated, extraordinarily well-informed, rational and persuasive.

RS: Was there a particular one of these mothers who finally got you to take the bait?

RFK: Yeah, my brother Max’s wife, Vicky Strauss Kennedy introduced me to a psychologist named Sarah Bridges. Her son Porter was vaccine-injured and later diagnosed with autism. After an eight-year legal battle, she had finally received compensation from the vaccine court, which acknowledged that Porter got his autism, seizures and brain damage from thimerosal and pertussis vaccines. She persuaded me to start looking into the science.

RS: That was a daunting request!

RFK: I have always loved science and I’m comfortable reading it. By then, I’d handled many hundreds of environmental cases. Almost all of them involved scientific controversies. When I started reading about thimerosal, I was dumbstruck by the gulf between the scientific reality and the media consensus. All the network news anchors and television doctors were assuring the public that there was not a single study that suggested thimerosal was unsafe or that it could cause autism. After a short time on PubMed, I’d identified many dozens of studies suggesting that thimerosal causes autism and a rich library of peer-reviewed literature — over 400 published studies — attesting to its deadly toxicity and its causal connection to a long inventory of neurological injuries and organ damage.

RS: What do we know about thimerosal safety testing?

RFK: First of all, vaccines are not subject to the safety rigors undergone by other pharmaceuticals in the FDA approval process. There are no large-scale, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies. And, in the one 1930 human study of thimerosal that predated its use in vaccines, all the subjects injected with thimerosal died. In 2004, an FDA official acknowledged in testimony before a Congressional committee, that no government or privately funded study has ever demonstrated thimerosal’s safety. On the other hand, there is plenty of science suggesting that thimerosal is NOT safe. Several hundred studies available on PubMed link thimerosal exposure to the neurodevelopmental and immune system diseases that are now epidemic in the generation of American children born after the CDC dramatically increased childhood thimerosal exposure starting in 1988. My book, “Thimerosal— Let the Science Speak,'” summarizes these studies. The scientific literature inculpates increased thimerosal exposure as a culprit in the explosion of ADD, ADHD, speech delay, narcolepsy, SIDS, ASD, seizure disorder, tics and anaphylaxis, including asthma and food allergies. According to the CDC, one in six American children — the so-called “thimerosal generation” — now suffers from a developmental disability. We have published a compendium of 80 published, peer-reviewed studies that strongly suggest a link between thimerosal exposure and autism.

RS: The CDC started adding to the vaccine schedule in the late 1980s and all these diseases, including autism, began spiking among kids in the mid-1990s. That’s when parents started seeing perfectly healthy children regress into autism after receiving their vaccines.

RFK: Yeah. A rising chorus of complaints from parents and pediatricians linked the new thimerosal-heavy vaccine schedule to an explosion in autism. In response, the CDC, in 1999, commissioned an in-house Belgian researcher, Thomas Verstraeten, to study the Vaccine Safety Datalink, the largest American repository of childhood vaccine and health records, collected by HMOs (health maintenance organizations). The HMO data clearly showed that the massive mercury doses in the newly expanded vaccine schedule were causing runaway epidemics of neurological disorders — ADD, ADHD, speech delay, sleep disorders, tics and autism among America’s children. Verstraeten’s original analysis of those datasets found that thimerosal exposures increased autism risk by 760%. The CDC now knew the cause of the autism epidemic.

RS: How did the CDC react to the revelations in the Verstraeten study?

RFK: The vaccine branch called an emergency meeting of regulators from WHO, FDA, vaccine industry stakeholders and the American Academy of Pediatrics at the Simpsonwood Conferences and Retreat Center in Norcross, Georgia. They reportedly held the meeting off the CDC campus to shield the deliberations from freedom of information requests. During a frantic two-day debate, that group decided to embargo Verstraeten’s study. The CDC then pushed Verstraeten aside and assembled a team of industry and CDC scientists to rework the study using dodgy statistical devices to make the autism signal disappear. After four increasingly deceptive iterations, that team succeeded in eliminating the signal linking thimerosal with autism and a half dozen other neurodevelopmental disorders. The CDC published that version and told the public that thimerosal was safe. When parents asked to see the raw data, the CDC claimed that it had somehow “lost” all the raw data so that no independent group could check this result.

**

Source:
 
I'm going to assume that you're referring to Children's Health Defense. I'm not sure if howdovaccinescauseautism.org is linked to an organization- it may just be one person spending a lot of time finding links to papers providing evidence that vaccines may cause autism. With that said, I'm not sure that everyone behind Children's Health Defense is "anti-vax", as you put it. I -do- know that they have provided a lot of evidence that vaccines can be harmful.



I'm not sure what you mean by 'umbillically tied to Kennedy', but I know he founded Children's Health Defense. Children's Health Defense has an article that gets into the details. I'll quote the start of the article below:
**

Environmental and humanitarian legend RFK Jr., mainstream media and the very corrupt CDC

Interview by Rita Shreffler, CHD Director of Advocacy & Outreach

For over three decades, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been one of the world’s leading environmental advocates. He is the founder of Waterkeeper Alliance, the umbrella group for 300 local Waterkeeper organizations, in 34 countries, that track down and sue polluters. Under his leadership, Waterkeeper has grown to become the world’s largest clean water advocacy organization.

Around 2005, parents of vaccine-injured children began encountering Kennedy’s speeches and writings about the toxic mercury-based preservative thimerosal. They embraced new hope that this environmental champion would finally expose the truth about vaccine injury and win justice for injured children. Kennedy is known for his fierce and relentless brand of environmental activism and his advocacy for transparent government and rigorous science. He is now applying his tenacious energies and sophisticated strategies to exposing fraud and corruption within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the pharmaceutical industry. Last month, he launched his new non-profit, Children’s Health Defense, with vaccine safety advocates Lyn Redwood and Laura Bono, legends themselves among parents of vaccine-injured children. Autism File executive editor Rita Shreffler spoke with Kennedy about CDC corruption, pharmaceutical industry greed, media malpractice and his vision for the Children’s Health Defense.

Rita Shreffler: How did you first get involved in the autism-vaccine controversy?

Robert F. Kennedy: I was dragged kicking and screaming into this brawl. By the early 2000s, I was fighting multiple lawsuits on behalf of Riverkeeper and Waterkeeper against coal-fired power plants. I was touring the country speaking about, among other things, the dangers of mercury emissions, which, by then, had contaminated virtually every freshwater fish in America. Following many of these appearances, mothers would approach me. Their tone was always respectful but mildly scolding. They said that if I was serious about eliminating the perils of mercury, I needed to look at thimerosal. Vaccines, they claimed, were the biggest vector for mercury exposure in children. I really didn’t want to get involved because vaccines were pretty remote from my wheelhouse. I’d always been pro-vaccine. I had all my kids vaccinated and got my annual flu shot every year. But, I was impressed by these women. Many of them were professionals: doctors, lawyers, scientists, nurses and pharmacists. They were overwhelmingly solid, well-educated, extraordinarily well-informed, rational and persuasive.

RS: Was there a particular one of these mothers who finally got you to take the bait?

RFK: Yeah, my brother Max’s wife, Vicky Strauss Kennedy introduced me to a psychologist named Sarah Bridges. Her son Porter was vaccine-injured and later diagnosed with autism. After an eight-year legal battle, she had finally received compensation from the vaccine court, which acknowledged that Porter got his autism, seizures and brain damage from thimerosal and pertussis vaccines. She persuaded me to start looking into the science.

RS: That was a daunting request!

RFK: I have always loved science and I’m comfortable reading it. By then, I’d handled many hundreds of environmental cases. Almost all of them involved scientific controversies. When I started reading about thimerosal, I was dumbstruck by the gulf between the scientific reality and the media consensus. All the network news anchors and television doctors were assuring the public that there was not a single study that suggested thimerosal was unsafe or that it could cause autism. After a short time on PubMed, I’d identified many dozens of studies suggesting that thimerosal causes autism and a rich library of peer-reviewed literature — over 400 published studies — attesting to its deadly toxicity and its causal connection to a long inventory of neurological injuries and organ damage.

RS: What do we know about thimerosal safety testing?

RFK: First of all, vaccines are not subject to the safety rigors undergone by other pharmaceuticals in the FDA approval process. There are no large-scale, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies. And, in the one 1930 human study of thimerosal that predated its use in vaccines, all the subjects injected with thimerosal died. In 2004, an FDA official acknowledged in testimony before a Congressional committee, that no government or privately funded study has ever demonstrated thimerosal’s safety. On the other hand, there is plenty of science suggesting that thimerosal is NOT safe. Several hundred studies available on PubMed link thimerosal exposure to the neurodevelopmental and immune system diseases that are now epidemic in the generation of American children born after the CDC dramatically increased childhood thimerosal exposure starting in 1988. My book, “Thimerosal— Let the Science Speak,'” summarizes these studies. The scientific literature inculpates increased thimerosal exposure as a culprit in the explosion of ADD, ADHD, speech delay, narcolepsy, SIDS, ASD, seizure disorder, tics and anaphylaxis, including asthma and food allergies. According to the CDC, one in six American children — the so-called “thimerosal generation” — now suffers from a developmental disability. We have published a compendium of 80 published, peer-reviewed studies that strongly suggest a link between thimerosal exposure and autism.

RS: The CDC started adding to the vaccine schedule in the late 1980s and all these diseases, including autism, began spiking among kids in the mid-1990s. That’s when parents started seeing perfectly healthy children regress into autism after receiving their vaccines.

RFK: Yeah. A rising chorus of complaints from parents and pediatricians linked the new thimerosal-heavy vaccine schedule to an explosion in autism. In response, the CDC, in 1999, commissioned an in-house Belgian researcher, Thomas Verstraeten, to study the Vaccine Safety Datalink, the largest American repository of childhood vaccine and health records, collected by HMOs (health maintenance organizations). The HMO data clearly showed that the massive mercury doses in the newly expanded vaccine schedule were causing runaway epidemics of neurological disorders — ADD, ADHD, speech delay, sleep disorders, tics and autism among America’s children. Verstraeten’s original analysis of those datasets found that thimerosal exposures increased autism risk by 760%. The CDC now knew the cause of the autism epidemic.

RS: How did the CDC react to the revelations in the Verstraeten study?

RFK: The vaccine branch called an emergency meeting of regulators from WHO, FDA, vaccine industry stakeholders and the American Academy of Pediatrics at the Simpsonwood Conferences and Retreat Center in Norcross, Georgia. They reportedly held the meeting off the CDC campus to shield the deliberations from freedom of information requests. During a frantic two-day debate, that group decided to embargo Verstraeten’s study. The CDC then pushed Verstraeten aside and assembled a team of industry and CDC scientists to rework the study using dodgy statistical devices to make the autism signal disappear. After four increasingly deceptive iterations, that team succeeded in eliminating the signal linking thimerosal with autism and a half dozen other neurodevelopmental disorders. The CDC published that version and told the public that thimerosal was safe. When parents asked to see the raw data, the CDC claimed that it had somehow “lost” all the raw data so that no independent group could check this result.

**

Source:
Quote all you want. Quackery organization.

If you don’t know anything about the other citation, why cite it?
 
I'm going to assume that you're referring to Children's Health Defense. I'm not sure if howdovaccinescauseautism.org is linked to an organization- it may just be one person spending a lot of time finding links to papers providing evidence that vaccines may cause autism. With that said, I'm not sure that everyone behind Children's Health Defense is "anti-vax", as you put it. I -do- know that they have provided a lot of evidence that vaccines can be harmful.



I'm not sure what you mean by 'umbillically tied to Kennedy', but I know he founded Children's Health Defense. Children's Health Defense has an article that gets into the details. I'll quote the start of the article below:
**

Environmental and humanitarian legend RFK Jr., mainstream media and the very corrupt CDC

Interview by Rita Shreffler, CHD Director of Advocacy & Outreach

For over three decades, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been one of the world’s leading environmental advocates. He is the founder of Waterkeeper Alliance, the umbrella group for 300 local Waterkeeper organizations, in 34 countries, that track down and sue polluters. Under his leadership, Waterkeeper has grown to become the world’s largest clean water advocacy organization.

Around 2005, parents of vaccine-injured children began encountering Kennedy’s speeches and writings about the toxic mercury-based preservative thimerosal. They embraced new hope that this environmental champion would finally expose the truth about vaccine injury and win justice for injured children. Kennedy is known for his fierce and relentless brand of environmental activism and his advocacy for transparent government and rigorous science. He is now applying his tenacious energies and sophisticated strategies to exposing fraud and corruption within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the pharmaceutical industry. Last month, he launched his new non-profit, Children’s Health Defense, with vaccine safety advocates Lyn Redwood and Laura Bono, legends themselves among parents of vaccine-injured children. Autism File executive editor Rita Shreffler spoke with Kennedy about CDC corruption, pharmaceutical industry greed, media malpractice and his vision for the Children’s Health Defense.

Rita Shreffler: How did you first get involved in the autism-vaccine controversy?

Robert F. Kennedy: I was dragged kicking and screaming into this brawl. By the early 2000s, I was fighting multiple lawsuits on behalf of Riverkeeper and Waterkeeper against coal-fired power plants. I was touring the country speaking about, among other things, the dangers of mercury emissions, which, by then, had contaminated virtually every freshwater fish in America. Following many of these appearances, mothers would approach me. Their tone was always respectful but mildly scolding. They said that if I was serious about eliminating the perils of mercury, I needed to look at thimerosal. Vaccines, they claimed, were the biggest vector for mercury exposure in children. I really didn’t want to get involved because vaccines were pretty remote from my wheelhouse. I’d always been pro-vaccine. I had all my kids vaccinated and got my annual flu shot every year. But, I was impressed by these women. Many of them were professionals: doctors, lawyers, scientists, nurses and pharmacists. They were overwhelmingly solid, well-educated, extraordinarily well-informed, rational and persuasive.

RS: Was there a particular one of these mothers who finally got you to take the bait?

RFK: Yeah, my brother Max’s wife, Vicky Strauss Kennedy introduced me to a psychologist named Sarah Bridges. Her son Porter was vaccine-injured and later diagnosed with autism. After an eight-year legal battle, she had finally received compensation from the vaccine court, which acknowledged that Porter got his autism, seizures and brain damage from thimerosal and pertussis vaccines. She persuaded me to start looking into the science.

RS: That was a daunting request!

RFK: I have always loved science and I’m comfortable reading it. By then, I’d handled many hundreds of environmental cases. Almost all of them involved scientific controversies. When I started reading about thimerosal, I was dumbstruck by the gulf between the scientific reality and the media consensus. All the network news anchors and television doctors were assuring the public that there was not a single study that suggested thimerosal was unsafe or that it could cause autism. After a short time on PubMed, I’d identified many dozens of studies suggesting that thimerosal causes autism and a rich library of peer-reviewed literature — over 400 published studies — attesting to its deadly toxicity and its causal connection to a long inventory of neurological injuries and organ damage.

RS: What do we know about thimerosal safety testing?

RFK: First of all, vaccines are not subject to the safety rigors undergone by other pharmaceuticals in the FDA approval process. There are no large-scale, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies. And, in the one 1930 human study of thimerosal that predated its use in vaccines, all the subjects injected with thimerosal died. In 2004, an FDA official acknowledged in testimony before a Congressional committee, that no government or privately funded study has ever demonstrated thimerosal’s safety. On the other hand, there is plenty of science suggesting that thimerosal is NOT safe. Several hundred studies available on PubMed link thimerosal exposure to the neurodevelopmental and immune system diseases that are now epidemic in the generation of American children born after the CDC dramatically increased childhood thimerosal exposure starting in 1988. My book, “Thimerosal— Let the Science Speak,'” summarizes these studies. The scientific literature inculpates increased thimerosal exposure as a culprit in the explosion of ADD, ADHD, speech delay, narcolepsy, SIDS, ASD, seizure disorder, tics and anaphylaxis, including asthma and food allergies. According to the CDC, one in six American children — the so-called “thimerosal generation” — now suffers from a developmental disability. We have published a compendium of 80 published, peer-reviewed studies that strongly suggest a link between thimerosal exposure and autism.

RS: The CDC started adding to the vaccine schedule in the late 1980s and all these diseases, including autism, began spiking among kids in the mid-1990s. That’s when parents started seeing perfectly healthy children regress into autism after receiving their vaccines.

RFK: Yeah. A rising chorus of complaints from parents and pediatricians linked the new thimerosal-heavy vaccine schedule to an explosion in autism. In response, the CDC, in 1999, commissioned an in-house Belgian researcher, Thomas Verstraeten, to study the Vaccine Safety Datalink, the largest American repository of childhood vaccine and health records, collected by HMOs (health maintenance organizations). The HMO data clearly showed that the massive mercury doses in the newly expanded vaccine schedule were causing runaway epidemics of neurological disorders — ADD, ADHD, speech delay, sleep disorders, tics and autism among America’s children. Verstraeten’s original analysis of those datasets found that thimerosal exposures increased autism risk by 760%. The CDC now knew the cause of the autism epidemic.

RS: How did the CDC react to the revelations in the Verstraeten study?

RFK: The vaccine branch called an emergency meeting of regulators from WHO, FDA, vaccine industry stakeholders and the American Academy of Pediatrics at the Simpsonwood Conferences and Retreat Center in Norcross, Georgia. They reportedly held the meeting off the CDC campus to shield the deliberations from freedom of information requests. During a frantic two-day debate, that group decided to embargo Verstraeten’s study. The CDC then pushed Verstraeten aside and assembled a team of industry and CDC scientists to rework the study using dodgy statistical devices to make the autism signal disappear. After four increasingly deceptive iterations, that team succeeded in eliminating the signal linking thimerosal with autism and a half dozen other neurodevelopmental disorders. The CDC published that version and told the public that thimerosal was safe. When parents asked to see the raw data, the CDC claimed that it had somehow “lost” all the raw data so that no independent group could check this result.

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Quote all you want. Quackery organization.

It seems you're saying you won't read anything published by Children's Health Defense because you believe they're a 'quackery organization'. Is that what you're saying?

If you don’t know anything about the other citation, why cite it?

I know that the howvaccinescauseautism.org web site has quotes and links to a lot of papers that provide evidence that vaccines cause autism. That's more than enough to make it quite relevant to our discussion.
 
It seems you're saying you won't read anything published by Children's Health Defense because you believe they're a 'quackery organization'. Is that what you're saying?



I know that the howvaccinescauseautism.org web site has quotes and links to a lot of papers that provide evidence that vaccines cause autism. That's more than enough to make it quite relevant to our discussion.
Yeah, I tend to stay away from misinformation and disinformation conspiracy bullshit. That seems to be your sources of info. The other site, I’m sure, has plenty of links to other quackery sites, none of which will have any scientific validity. It may be relevant, but not true, so not worth discussing.

There is NO LINK between vaccines and autism
 
It seems you're saying you won't read anything published by Children's Health Defense because you believe they're a 'quackery organization'. Is that what you're saying?

I know that the howvaccinescauseautism.org web site has quotes and links to a lot of papers that provide evidence that vaccines cause autism. That's more than enough to make it quite relevant to our discussion.
Yeah, I tend to stay away from misinformation and disinformation conspiracy bullshit.

And you're back to the insults. Ah well, the civility was nice while it lasted.
 
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