Neocon lies never die, they're just denied!

Taichiliberal said:
I don't know what is more pathetic...Fox News consistent half-truths, exaggerations and distortions, or willfully ignorant neocon parrots like Bravo who lap up their propaganda like a thirsty dog.

LISTEN UP, STUPID..... "A November 2009 letter from the Joint Committee on Taxation on the House health care bill stated that individuals who did not have such coverage and refused to pay the fine would be subject to "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance." The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax"

You don't pay taxes, you get penalized.....possibly jail time. That goes for individuals and businesses. That has been established FOR ALL TAXES since and before you and I were born. Got that bunky?

What Fox News and all it's bullhorns did was EXAGGERATE, DISTORT AND MISLEAD. It's something they do quite well.....but they seem to be REAL touchy about being caught doing it.
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I'll only explain it once for the benefit of other readers....

1....If you refused to buy health insurance, you were fined (NOT TAXED)
2....The fine was taken from your tax refund check by the IRS
3....If you refused to pay the FINE, you would be subject to "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance." of the tax code. IRS again.

The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax"

This FINE, because it was to be collected from you taxes would now be considered 'non-payment of taxes' and that could mean JAIL TIME....Just like O'Reilly claimed.

Very simple, and very fuckin' devious....it was removed from the HC bill that was shoved down your throat.
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Now go, Peckerhead...you may have the last word as always....you've been pwned as usual.....

don't forget to remind us that the "chronological order of the posts is important..throw in a few "willfully ignorant" rants and a few "neocon" jabs and point out that the sky is blue just like you said...and we never disprove anything you post...
Thats the part that gets the most laughs....
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I don't know what is more pathetic...Fox News consistent half-truths, exaggerations and distortions, or willfully ignorant neocon parrots like Bravo who lap up their propaganda like a thirsty dog.

LISTEN UP, STUPID..... "A November 2009 letter from the Joint Committee on Taxation on the House health care bill stated that individuals who did not have such coverage and refused to pay the fine would be subject to "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance." The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax"

You don't pay taxes, you get penalized.....possibly jail time. That goes for individuals and businesses. That has been established FOR ALL TAXES since and before you and I were born. Got that bunky?

What Fox News and all it's bullhorns did was EXAGGERATE, DISTORT AND MISLEAD. It's something they do quite well.....but they seem to be REAL touchy about being caught doing it.
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bravo said:
I'll only explain it once for the benefit of other readers....

1....If you refused to buy health insurance, you were fined (NOT TAXED)
2....The fine was taken from your tax refund check by the IRS
3....If you refused to pay the FINE, you would be subject to "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance." of the tax code. IRS again.

The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax"

This FINE, because it was to be collected from you taxes would now be considered 'non-payment of taxes' and that could mean JAIL TIME....Just like O'Reilly claimed.

Very simple, and very fuckin' devious....it was removed from the HC bill that was shoved down your throat.
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Now go, Peckerhead...you may have the last word as always....you've been pwned as usual.....

don't forget to remind us that the "chronological order of the posts is important..throw in a few "willfully ignorant" rants and a few "neocon" jabs and point out that the sky is blue just like you said...and we never disprove anything you post...
Thats the part that gets the most laughs....
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:palm: See folks, THIS is what I'm talking about. This imbecile does EXACTLY what Fox Noise does.....repeat a FACT and then puts a personal spin on the information...then the little dope covers his ears and screams "I can't hear you, I win..your ".

Like I tried to educate our intellectually impotent neocon bravado before, all the proposal above shows that if you don't have insurance, you'll have to pay a penalty tax. Big fucking deal....penalty taxes or "fines" exist for housing codes, car insurance, etc. You pay them to the county or State or the Fed depending upon the infraction......that's been the case for a LONG time.

Like car insurance, the proposed bill requires that you get health insurance of some kind (with or without gov't assistance)....if you don't and something happens, you'll get fined. Similarly, if you close out your IRA before a certain age, you get a penalty tax. Failure to pay such fines or taxes MAY result in prosecution and incarceration, depending upon circumstances. That's been around since I was a babyFox Noise just said, "NO INSURANCE, YOU GO TO JAIL"....knowing full well that the proposal at the time was not that absolute.

Teabaggers, neocons, birthers, all screamed bloody murder as if there was no precedent for the proposal. Dummies like Bravo just took the talking point and ran with it without a second thought....thinking that various regurgitations of the talking point are justifications in and of itself. What it all boils down to folks, is that a proposed bill to get more Americans health care insurance got tweaked, refined, augmented, AND EVENTUALLY MADE INTO LAW....and as law, it incompasses all the benefits and penalties as the forementioned situations. Neocon wonks like O'Reilly REPEATED DISTORTIONS, EXAGGERATIONS AND LIES to try and defeat the bill. He failed, and was caught.....and Bravo doesn't like it. My heart breaks for the little dope. :cof1:
 
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Taichiliberal said:
:palm: See folks, THIS is what I'm talking about. This imbecile does EXACTLY what Fox Noise does.....repeat a FACT and then puts a personal spin on the information...then the little dope covers his ears and screams "I can't hear you, I win..your ".

Like I tried to educate our intellectually impotent neocon bravado before, all the proposal above shows that if you don't have insurance, you'll have to pay a penalty tax. Big fucking deal....penalty taxes or "fines" exist for housing codes, car insurance, etc. You pay them to the county or State or the Fed depending upon the infraction......that's been the case for a LONG time.

Like car insurance, the proposed bill requires that you get health insurance of some kind (with or without gov't assistance)....if you don't and something happens, you'll get fined.

Actually, if you don't, and nothing happens, you'll get fined (and failure to pay said fine could get you in jail)

Similarly, if you close out your IRA before a certain age, you get a penalty tax. Failure to pay such fines or taxes MAY result in prosecution and incarceration, depending upon circumstances. That's been around since I was a babyFox Noise just said, "NO INSURANCE, YOU GO TO JAIL"....knowing full well that the proposal at the time was not that absolute.

Teabaggers, neocons, birthers, all screamed bloody murder as if there was no precedent for the proposal. Dummies like Bravo just took the talking point and ran with it without a second thought....thinking that various regurgitations of the talking point are justifications in and of itself. What it all boils down to folks, is that a proposed bill to get more Americans health care insurance got tweaked, refined, augmented, AND EVENTUALLY MADE INTO LAW....and as law, it incompasses all the benefits and penalties as the forementioned situations. Neocon wonks like O'Reilly REPEATED DISTORTIONS, EXAGGERATIONS AND LIES to try and defeat the bill. He failed, and was caught.....and Bravo doesn't like it. My heart breaks for the little dope. :cof1:
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You equate the mandate to purchase health insurance with,
auto insurance?
early withdrawal of IRA penalty?
housing code penalties?

You're a joke, peckerhead.

The bottom line WAS, If you refused to buy the insurance, you could go to jail....
That, thank God, is no longer the case because of the public outcry.

You can't refute the facts I posted in post #21 so just pack in and try not to needlessly embarrass yourself....
and don't forget, The Medicus Group conducted the survey, not the NEJM.:gives:
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
See folks, THIS is what I'm talking about. This imbecile does EXACTLY what Fox Noise does.....repeat a FACT and then puts a personal spin on the information...then the little dope covers his ears and screams "I can't hear you, I win..your ".

Like I tried to educate our intellectually impotent neocon bravado before, all the proposal above shows that if you don't have insurance, you'll have to pay a penalty tax. Big fucking deal....penalty taxes or "fines" exist for housing codes, car insurance, etc. You pay them to the county or State or the Fed depending upon the infraction......that's been the case for a LONG time.

Like car insurance, the proposed bill requires that you get health insurance of some kind (with or without gov't assistance)....if you don't and something happens, you'll get fined.

Bravo reponds: Actually, if you don't, and nothing happens, you'll get fined (and failure to pay said fine could get you in jail)

My reply: And that is the same for the two examples I gave, you dunce! That's why the proposed bill and subsequent law FOLLOWS ESTABLISHED LEGAL PRECEDENTS. I've already explained this, and your repeating it makes no headway on your point...whatever that may be now.[/quote]

Similarly, if you close out your IRA before a certain age, you get a penalty tax. Failure to pay such fines or taxes MAY result in prosecution and incarceration, depending upon circumstances. That's been around since I was a babyFox Noise just said, "NO INSURANCE, YOU GO TO JAIL"....knowing full well that the proposal at the time was not that absolute.

Teabaggers, neocons, birthers, all screamed bloody murder as if there was no precedent for the proposal. Dummies like Bravo just took the talking point and ran with it without a second thought....thinking that various regurgitations of the talking point are justifications in and of itself. What it all boils down to folks, is that a proposed bill to get more Americans health care insurance got tweaked, refined, augmented, AND EVENTUALLY MADE INTO LAW....and as law, it incompasses all the benefits and penalties as the forementioned situations. Neocon wonks like O'Reilly REPEATED DISTORTIONS, EXAGGERATIONS AND LIES to try and defeat the bill. He failed, and was caught.....and Bravo doesn't like it. My heart breaks for the little dope.
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bravo said:
You equate the mandate to purchase health insurance with,
auto insurance?
early withdrawal of IRA penalty?
housing code penalties?

You're a joke, peckerhead.

Translation: This imbecile can't logically or factually fault me, so he parrots what I wrote and then mocks it without anything to back him up. Mocking someone is this intellectually bankrupt clown's equivalent of factually and logically proving someone wrong "Bravo", indeed! :palm:

The bottom line WAS, If you refused to buy the insurance, you could go to jail.... "COULD" being the operative word IF you DID NOT BUY INSURANCE OR PAY THE FINE VIA TAXES. Get it right, you clown.
That, thank God, is no longer the case because of the public outcry.

Actually, thanks to public outcry, the Dems threw in a pacifier that points out going to jail is highly unlikely and not really enforceable for most cases. Remember genius, the language is still there for fines to be levied...especially if companies refuse to provide health insurance for their employees. Refusing to comply with those two parts could lead to an appearance in court, and possible jail sentence. Lawyers always leave themselves wiggle room when dealing with criminal intent on any level.

You can't refute the facts I posted in post #21 so just pack in and try not to needlessly embarrass yourself....
and don't forget, The Medicus Group conducted the survey, not the NEJM.:gives:
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:palm: Go back and READ, you ignorant lout.....IT WAS YOUR NEOCON PUNDITRY THAT REPEATED THE LIE THAT REGARDING THE NEJM AND THE ACTUAL INTENT/RESULT OF THE SURVEY.....Read, you dope, READ....comprehend what you read....the Washington Times printed the lie......Limbaugh, Hannity, Levine, Beck, Crowley and their ilk were the ones on the radio still perpetuating the lie knowing full well that IT WAS DISPROVEN.

And THAT is what your feeble little mind just can't cope with. What's really pathetic is that you keep stating "who gives a fuck" yet YOU keep trying to prove that the FACTS I posted here are not true. So either you do care about what lies the neocon punditry keeps spewing or your having a psychotic break.
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and it's wrong to be fined for not purchasing a given product or service.

Mandatory customership is textbook fascism. There is no more perfect collusion between state and corporate totalitarians.
 
AssHatZombie said:
and it's wrong to be fined for not purchasing a given product or service.

Mandatory customership is textbook fascism. There is no more perfect collusion between state and corporate totalitarians.
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Well bunky, then you better stay off the road if you refuse to buy auto insurance of any kind....because if you're pulled over for any reason or in a fender bender, then you may be paying a fine or doing jail time depending upon the severity of your initial offense. Hardly "facism"...especially when you're the victim of a bad driver with no insurance.

You want to know more about other mandatory requirements in consumer/citizenship? Put on your socks & shoes and toddle down to the library to read up on civics.
 
AssHatZombie said:
and it's wrong to be fined for not purchasing a given product or service.

Mandatory customership is textbook fascism. There is no more perfect collusion between state and corporate totalitarians.
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Well, represent! Drop your auto liability coverage, have an accident, and let us know how those corporate fascists treated you.
 
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and it's wrong to be fined for not purchasing a given product or service.

Mandatory customership is textbook fascism. There is no more perfect collusion between state and corporate totalitarians.
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christiefan915 said:
Well, represent! Drop your auto liability coverage, have an accident, and let us know how those corporate fascists treated you.
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Sad thing is, these teabagging buffoons don't even understand the definition of the words they so liberally throw around.....to date, they confuse fascism with socialism with communism with liberalism. :palm:
 
Originally Posted by christiefan915
Well, represent! Drop your auto liability coverage, have an accident, and let us know how those corporate fascists treated you.
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T&A said:
Or drop your auto liability coverage, don't have an accident, and let us know how much money you saved...
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Why stop there? Don't let your newborn get ANY vaccinations...just make sure they don't catch cold or flu.

Don't pay your water bill.....just hop down to the water fresh water source there is in your area and pail your own water....just make sure you remove all harmful bacteria and parasites.

I could go on...but I trust you see the absurdity of your assertions.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Sad thing is, these teabagging buffoons don't even understand the definition of the words they so liberally throw around.....to date, they confuse fascism with socialism with communism with liberalism.
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T&A said:
You mean like neocon?
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No, I mean like what I stated above. Can't you read?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Why stop there? Don't let your newborn get ANY vaccinations...just make sure they don't catch cold or flu.

Don't pay your water bill.....just hop down to the water fresh water source there is in your area and pail your own water....just make sure you remove all harmful bacteria and parasites.

I could go on...but I trust you see the absurdity of your assertions.
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You could go on, but you could always shut the fuck up instead!!
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Why stop there? Don't let your newborn get ANY vaccinations...just make sure they don't catch cold or flu.

Don't pay your water bill.....just hop down to the water fresh water source there is in your area and pail your own water....just make sure you remove all harmful bacteria and parasites.

I could go on...but I trust you see the absurdity of your assertions.
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T&A said:
You could go on, but you could always shut the fuck up instead!!
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Translation: T&A whines like a little bitch when his BS gets called out.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
No, I mean like what I stated above. Can't you read?
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T&A said:
Yes, exactly like neocon.
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I didn't know you neocons had a exact way of reading....but you go right ahead if it keeps you happy and off the streets! Just don't apply for any teaching jobs, as your exact way of reading may be diagnosed as a form of dyslexia.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Translation: T&A whines like a little bitch when his BS gets called out.
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T&A said:
You seriously called something with that crapload of strawman bullshit you spewed out about vaccinations and bill payments?

You are seriously fucking retarded.
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He's still whining like a little bitch, folks. He trotted out the same "bootstrap, need no federal gov't" claptrap heard from teabaggers, neocons, etc....and got smacked down by simple logical deductions. He's so pissed, he's ranting! Let's just watch him melt down!:cof1:
 
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