Neocon defense of BP put to rest

By now there’s little debate that the technology used to obtain oil in deeper waters was developed and rapidly put into use before safety technology could keep up [1]. As we’ve noted, that’s a development that regulators allowed, despite their concerns.

But the expansion of deep-water drilling wasn’t solely a result of industry’s rushing into deeper waters and toward greater profit. According to the Los Angeles Times, it was also encouraged by the federal government, which gave oil companies tens of billions [2] in tax breaks, subsidies and royalty relief. Many of these incentives have outlasted their initial purpose, according to the Times [3]:

The royalty waiver program was established by Congress in 1995, when oil was selling for about $18 a barrel and drilling in deep water was seen as unprofitable without a subsidy. Today, oil sells for about $70 a barrel, but the subsidy continues.

... Congress had originally intended to provide royalty relief only when oil prices were especially low. But an Interior Department error in the drafting of contracts in the 1990s led the industry to argue against pegging the relief to oil prices.
http://www.propublica.org/ion/blog/item/oil-companies-still-get-billions-in-incentives-to-drill-in-deep-water

so if the oil companies were so hot to go looking for oil in deep water, why is it the government gave them tax breaks for actually doing it?.......
 
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By now there’s little debate that the technology used to obtain oil in deeper waters was developed and rapidly put into use before safety technology could keep up [1]. As we’ve noted, that’s a development that regulators allowed, despite their concerns.

But the expansion of deep-water drilling wasn’t solely a result of industry’s rushing into deeper waters and toward greater profit. According to the Los Angeles Times, it was also encouraged by the federal government, which gave oil companies tens of billions [2] in tax breaks, subsidies and royalty relief. Many of these incentives have outlasted their initial purpose, according to the Times [3]:

The royalty waiver program was established by Congress in 1995, when oil was selling for about $18 a barrel and drilling in deep water was seen as unprofitable without a subsidy. Today, oil sells for about $70 a barrel, but the subsidy continues.

... Congress had originally intended to provide royalty relief only when oil prices were especially low. But an Interior Department error in the drafting of contracts in the 1990s led the industry to argue against pegging the relief to oil prices.

http://www.propublica.org/ion/blog/item/oil-companies-still-get-billions-in-incentives-to-drill-in-deep-water

so if the oil companies were so hot to go looking for oil in deep water, why is it the government gave them tax breaks for actually doing it?.......

All you've done here is document how our gov't was bending over backwards to the oil lobby. What wasn't official during the Slick Willy era, Cheney completed with his closed door deals. The facts put forth in the opening post link of this thread stands.


Remember:

MMS report: "Best source of new domestic energy resources lies in the deep water Gulf of Mexico." In a 2004 report -- titled Deep Water: Where the Energy Is -- the MMS stated that "our best source of new domestic energy resources lies in the deep water Gulf of Mexico and other frontier areas." MMS reported that due to "declining production" in "near-shore, shallow waters" in the Gulf of Mexico, "energy companies have focused their attention on oil and gas resources in water depths of 1,000 feet and beyond." MMS estimated that "the deep water regions of the Gulf of Mexico may contain 56 billion barrels of oil equivalent, or enough to meet U.S. demand for 7-1/2 years at current rates."


And then there is this:

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/how-dick-cheney-and-tom-delay-caused-gulf-o

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/10/93859_us-agency-lets-oil-industry-write.html
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
All you've done here is document how our gov't was bending over backwards to the oil lobby.

wasn't that the intent of my post?......I was simply countering your implication that only conservatives and big oil were to blame.....

Go back and read carefully....BOTH titles given in the linked article point to how current conservative leadership and punditry are falsely blaming environmentalists. To date, I don't recall any large number of Dem Party heavy hitters or progressive/liberal punditry doing the same.
 
missed the point again, did you?.....too tired to try to explain your error to you....just operate on the assumption that you will always make one....
 
missed the point again, did you?.....too tired to try to explain your error to you....just operate on the assumption that you will always make one....

:palm: No, it's YOU who is missing the point. The article points to a specific set of allegations and accusations made by a specific group....in this case the neocon punditry and it's political mouthpieces. The article goes on to factually disprove their rhetoric.

As I stated, there are no Dems or progressive/liberal punditry doing the same.

There was NO "implication" of anything other than what the article pointed out. It is YOU that automatically perceives an "implication"...and you are wrong to do so. The subsequent links I provided should have demonstrated that you and I are (for once) in agreement on this issue....all I'm doing is just dispelling a neocon talking point that has been oft repeated in the main stream media.
 
Oil

You wanted oil ... you got oil. Hang the sorry asses of Haliburton and Transocean out to dry. Yanks owned it. Yanks operated it. Let the bloody Yanks pay for it.
Remember Union Carbide??? 2 years for killing hundreds.
Obama, if yanks are so bloody smart let the yanks fix the problem. Go get the yanks. BP are doing all they can. No one could do better.
 
yeah it makes no sense whatever to drill in Alaska in 0 ft of water where a blow out is 10,000 times easier to stop. I mean they only have a couple billion barrells.
 
First rule of propagandists is to create an enemy to focus on something to hate. Best if its not real so can't defend itself. Taichilibtard has taken this to a new art form with this neocon bullshit.:good4u:
 
You wanted oil ... you got oil. Hang the sorry asses of Haliburton and Transocean out to dry. Yanks owned it. Yanks operated it. Let the bloody Yanks pay for it.
Remember Union Carbide??? 2 years for killing hundreds.
Obama, if yanks are so bloody smart let the yanks fix the problem. Go get the yanks. BP are doing all they can. No one could do better.
Hello, welcome to the board.
 
You wanted oil ... you got oil. Hang the sorry asses of Haliburton and Transocean out to dry. Yanks owned it. Yanks operated it. Let the bloody Yanks pay for it.
Remember Union Carbide??? 2 years for killing hundreds.
Obama, if yanks are so bloody smart let the yanks fix the problem. Go get the yanks. BP are doing all they can. No one could do better.

Oh spare us your jingoistic BS, will ya?

Like it or not, 60% of BP is still in your countryman's hands. And they damned sure were part of those "secret" meetings with Cheney that later deregulated the gov't rules enough for the brilliant idea of saving half a million on the very device that could have averted this disaster.

I have no problem with holding all those accountable for disasters...and I am damned sure not going let BP wash it hands of this. Face it bunky, BP is on the hook, and God willing so will all the local SOB's that enabled them in this debacle.
 
First rule of propagandists is to create an enemy to focus on something to hate. Best if its not real so can't defend itself. Taichilibtard has taken this to a new art form with this neocon bullshit.:good4u:

Translation: our incredibly, proudly ignorant Southern Man cannot logically or factually disprove or refute the material I sourced, so he just throws out the generic neocon slander mantras.

I mean, what else can you expect from someone who thinks "libtard" is a mature, equal response to the term "neocon"?
 
Translation: our incredibly, proudly ignorant Southern Man cannot logically or factually disprove or refute the material I sourced, so he just throws out the generic neocon slander mantras.

I mean, what else can you expect from someone who thinks "libtard" is a mature, equal response to the term "neocon"?
Libtard is accurate.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Translation: our incredibly, proudly ignorant Southern Man cannot logically or factually disprove or refute the material I sourced, so he just throws out the generic neocon slander mantras.

I mean, what else can you expect from someone who thinks "libtard" is a mature, equal response to the term "neocon"?

Libtard is accurate.

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case!
 
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