NBC’s Commander in Chief Forum Was an Authoritarian Farce

I keep thinking about that forum.

It's amazing what Trump squeezed into 30 minutes, and how much Lauer let him get away with. Talking about seasoned intelligence professionals indicating with "body language" that they "weren't happy" with Obama (and anyone who believes that should never be allowed to vote again). Asserting that we should have stolen oil from a sovereign country we liberated. Lying about his Iraq position. Answering a question about if he could be trusted w/ the military by bragging about his wonderful visit with Mexico. Heaping praise on Putin and saying he was a better leader than our President. Once again talking about his "secret plan" for ISIS, and hinting that he'd fire all of the current generals.

What a friggin' disaster of a human being. People who support this guy should be deeply, deeply ashamed. It is beyond all comprehension.

And Lauer was terrible. Pressing Hillary on nonsense and never letting her finish, all while lobbing Trump softballs and seeming mesmerized by his BS.

Of course Putin has been a better president than Obama. Putin has 87% support of his people. he is strong. Obama is a weakling, spineless jellyfish, with no respect from anyone in the world. He is a laughingstock.

And you don't "steal" oil that you have PAID FOR - with 6,500 LIVES.

People who support Hillary, should be deeply, deeply ashamed. It is beyond all comprehension. A pathological liar, an alchoholic, a Muslim Brotherhood supporter (and therefore a TRAITOR), a mass murderer, an immigrationist, Mexico ass-kisser, gun-grabber who has damaged US national security beyond measure. In the near future, Wikileaks will be informing us of more horrifying things.
 
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Wednesday night’s “Commander-in-Chief Forum,” presented by NBC News and MSNBC, was a debacle. Every network that’s hosting a presidential debate in the next seven weeks should study the video to learn how not to interrogate Donald Trump. But Trump still managed, through boastful indifference, to reveal the most important thing about his presidency: He would make the United States an authoritarian country.

Trump played his usual tricks. When he was quizzed about foreign policy, he changed the subject to trade. When he was pressed for solutions, he talked instead about President Obama’s failures. When he was asked about a tweet in which he had blamed military sexual assaults on the integration of women, he acted as though he had always believed the problem was insufficient prosecution. He also claimed, contrary to fact—and undisputed by moderator Matt Lauer—that he had been “totally against the war in Iraq.”

...Trump claimed that in the classified intelligence briefing he received on Aug. 17, he learned “that our leadership, Barack Obama, did not follow what our experts” had recommended “in almost every instance.” That’s quite a claim, since the briefing was prepared by James Clapper, Obama’s director of national intelligence. The session was classified, so Clapper and his briefers can’t rebut Trump in public. This tells you how Trump would treat classified information as president: He would lie about it for political gain and dare the intelligence community to violate the law by exposing him.

...When Lauer asked him how we would take Iraq’s oil, Trump replied: “You would leave a certain group behind, and you would take various sections where they have the oil.” We got “nothing” for the money we spent invading Iraq, Trump complained. “It used to be, ‘To the victor belong the spoils.’ … I always said, ‘Take the oil.’ ”

This is a policy of explicit theft. Trump has stated this policy many times. He has been applauded for it by crowds and has not been morally challenged by Lauer or other interviewers. Now Trump is repeating it in the run-up to the fall debates. He’s betting that Americans will embrace—and the media will accept—plunder as foreign policy. So far, he has not been proved wrong.



http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...n_chief_forum_was_an_authoritarian_farce.html
I didn't watch it. 5 minutes into NBC Lauering the bar I changed the channel.
 
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I keep thinking about that forum.

It's amazing what Trump squeezed into 30 minutes, and how much Lauer let him get away with. Talking about seasoned intelligence professionals indicating with "body language" that they "weren't happy" with Obama (and anyone who believes that should never be allowed to vote again). Asserting that we should have stolen oil from a sovereign country we liberated. Lying about his Iraq position. Answering a question about if he could be trusted w/ the military by bragging about his wonderful visit with Mexico. Heaping praise on Putin and saying he was a better leader than our President. Once again talking about his "secret plan" for ISIS, and hinting that he'd fire all of the current generals.

What a friggin' disaster of a human being. People who support this guy should be deeply, deeply ashamed. It is beyond all comprehension.

And Lauer was terrible. Pressing Hillary on nonsense and never letting her finish, all while lobbing Trump softballs and seeming mesmerized by his BS.
Let's be clear. The NBC Presidential Forum blew chunks and not because Trump or Clinton lied but because Matt Lauer was unprepared.
 
Let's be clear. The NBC Presidential Forum blew chunks and not because Trump or Clinton lied but because Matt Lauer was unprepared.

Actually, his stock as a journalist just went up a few ticks.

An good journalist should grill Hillary at this point, and he did. A good journalist would know Trump's political incorrectness [probably an issue in a normal election cycle] pales in comparison to Hillary's lies about the emails, her foreign policy mistakes and etc.

And she might as well get used to it. Hillary has hid from the media for a good reason.
 
On Putin:

Lauer:
He’s also a guy who annexed Crimea, invaded Ukraine, supports Assad in Syria, supports Iran … and according to our intelligence community, probably is the main suspect in the hacking of the DNC computers.

Trump:
Well, nobody knows that for a fact. But do you want me to start naming some of the things that President Obama does? … If he [Putin] says great things about me, I’m going to say great things about him. I’ve already said he is really very much of a leader. I mean, you can say, “Oh, isn’t that a terrible thing? He called—” I mean, the man has very strong control over a country. Now, it’s a very different system, and I don’t happen to like the system. But certainly, in that system, he’s been a leader. Far more than our president has been a leader. We have a divided country.


Let’s unpack this passage. First, in Trump’s view, Putin’s approval rating in Russian polls signifies not that Putin has intimidated his people, but that they respect him—or that intimidation counts as respect. Second, according to Trump, Putin shouldn’t be criticized for his invasions or his espionage against us, because Obama does questionable things, too. Third, Trump’s definition of leadership is “strong control over a country,” even by Putin’s methods. Fourth, it’s better to be a united country like Russia than to be a “divided country” like America.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...n_chief_forum_was_an_authoritarian_farce.html
Putin is widely popular. He doesn't intimidate the people (although he kills journalists, and runs the oligarchs thru fear).
Realpolitik - as crappy as Crimea is-means Putin looks out for Russian interests, and with the US meddling in the Ukraine-
him looking to cement a land route to Svestapol is quite logical.

And don't forget about NATO expansion. It's one reason he's softened up Donbass/eastern Ukraine.

He's completely and utterly outplayed Obama in the Mideast. If Obama wasn't so adverse to power projection, and had
some coherent plans besides balance with Iran ,maybe he wouldn't be on the sidelines now.
 
Actually, his stock as a journalist just went up a few ticks.

An good journalist should grill Hillary at this point, and he did. A good journalist would know Trump's political incorrectness [probably an issue in a normal election cycle] pales in comparison to Hillary's lies about the emails, her foreign policy mistakes and etc.

And she might as well get used to it. Hillary has hid from the media for a good reason.

The bolded is hilarious. I like Matt Lauer, but he is getting crushed with criticism right now. He was terrible. He had 2 different standards for Hillary & Trump.

And will you please stop w/ the "PC" stuff. You guys have no idea what PC is. It isn't evading questions, saying that you'll steal oil from sovereign countries and praising Putin.
 
The post you quoted, refuted your post. Try reading it again. This time, slower. View attachment 3234

I don't need to read anything again but you need to do your research. Trump made his comment about knowing more about ISIS than the generals do back in NOVEMBER 2015. That's NINE months before he got the intelligence briefing of AUGUST 2016 that he's referring to. Now unless you're trying to claim Trump has extra-sensory powers there's no way he could have known anything about Obama's relationship with the generals until August.
 
We should have torn down factories in France, Netherlands, Belgium, etc... and brought them back to the US after WWII. Freedom isn't free!
 
I don't need to read anything again but you need to do your research. Trump made his comment about knowing more about ISIS than the generals do back in NOVEMBER 2015. That's NINE months before he got the intelligence briefing of AUGUST 2016 that he's referring to. Now unless you're trying to claim Trump has extra-sensory powers there's no way he could have known anything about Obama's relationship with the generals until August.

Well, it's possible that he saw the body language between Obama & the generals before then...
 
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Read more: THE CLINTON BODY-COUNT | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php#ixzz4JjjCim8M

We've seen the Klinton Kill Kount--so to be fair, let's check out the Bush Body Bags, homeys. Along these lines, lets not forget that the NWO's handpicked, designated first emperor of the 4th Reich's forthcoming "American Union," George DUBYA Bush, has really kept up the family's deadly tradition as Texas governor--having signed nearly ONE HUNDRED EXECUTION WARRANTS since he became governor in the Lone Star State. Nice killing job, DUBYA!! Dubya indicated in an interview with TALK Magazine that he thinks killing people is fun, wholesome and entertaining: as he imitated and mocked supposed pleas for mercy from one his his recent execution victims, Karla Faye Tucker.

Sid Adger
: Mr. Adger, a Houston oil supply company executive and Bush family friend, died in 1996 of Unknown Causes. Mr. Adger was the mysterious businessman who approached General James Rose and asked him to help George W. Bush avoid Vietnam by recommending him for a pilot position with the National Guard.
General James Rose: General Rose recommended George W. Bush for a pilot position with the Texas National Guard. He died of Unknown Causes in 1993. He was immediately buried and no autopsy was performed.
Orlando Letelier: He was torn to bits by a car bomb on the streets of Washington DC just before he was to testify about the Chilean dictator Pinochet. After the bombing, CIA Director George H. W. Bush told the FBI that there had been no Chilean involvement whatsoever. In 1991 the post-Pinochet Chilean Supreme Court asked George H. W. Bush if he would submit to questioning. He refused.
Ronni Moffit: She was Letelier's assistant. She and her husband were riding in the car with Letelier when the bomb exploded. Mr. Moffit survived. Ronni didn't.
Amiram Nir: He was a former Israeli agent who was in Jerusalem with George Bush during Iran Contra. He went under the assumed name of Pat Weber. Nir was scheduled to testify to the Senate subcommittee and it was feared he would reveal the truth. He perished, following the shooting-down of his aircraft with missiles from the helicopter of a man called Gene Tatum, 25-year CIA deep cover agent.
Senator John Tower: He was appointed by the Reagan/Bush Administration to chair the bipartisan committee to investigate the Iran/Contra scandals. He directed the Tower Report and had all the Iran Contra documents and knew the inside of the story. He was killed in an uninvestigated airplane crash later in Georgia in 1991. Also killed was his daughter, Marian.
Mario Ruiz Massieu: An apparent suicide. He was facing charges that he laundered money for the cocaine cartels. A Houston, Texas jury had found that $8 million in his bank accounts was paid to him by drug cartels.
Steve Kangas: His web site, Liberalism Resurgent, was meticulously researched and presented such a problem to the "real boss" of George Bush, Richard Scaife, that he hired a private detective to look into Kangas' past. Steve Kangas was found in a 39th-floor bathroom outside of Scaife's offices at One Oxford Centre, in Pittsburgh, an apparent suicide. Mr. Kangas, a very prolific writer, left no note. He had brought a fully-packed suitcase of clothes with him to Pittsburgh. He bought a burglar alarm shortly before he left for Pittsburgh. Why did he need a burglar alarm if he was going to commit suicide? An avowed advocate of gun control, he nevertheless bought a gun. What was he afraid of? Why did he go to Pittsburgh? After his death, his computer was sold for $150 and its hard drive wiped clean. Everything in his apartment was thrown away.
Mohammed Zia al-huk: Dictator of Pakistan, and knew all about Iran/Contra, the training, funding, and arming of narco-terrorists such as Osama bin Laden. In August 1988, the same day George Bush got the Republican nomination, his plane crashed into the ground with all engines running. The Pakistanis kept the bodies around (in violation of Islamic custom) for weeks, awaiting US experts. They showed up three weeks later and never checked the bodies. Why?
Malcolm Baldridge: Commerce Secretary May 1987. Baldridge was familiar with the Bush family ties to the Communist Chinese. He died in a mysterious horseback riding accident.
Karla Faye Tucker: She was executed in spite of enormous protest from the public, even those religious groups that advocate the death penalty. Even Pat Robertson thought that Karla was truly repentant and asked George W. Bush to spare her life. He refused. Afterward, in a Talk Magazine interview, this stalwart of the Republican Party made fun of the woman whose death warrant he had sanctioned. How compassionate! As of August 1999, George W. Bush signed his 93rd death warrant.
President John Fitzgerald Kennedy: An internal FBI memo reported that on November 22 a reputable businessman named George H. W. Bush reported hearsay that a certain Young Republican had been talking of killing the president when he came to Houston. The Young Republican was nowhere near Dallas on that date. According to a 1988 story in The Nation, J. Edgar Hoover said in a memo that Mr. George Bush of the CIA had been briefed on November 23rd, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy. George H. W. Bush has denied this, although he was in Texas at the time and cannot account for his whereabouts at the time. Bush Killed JFKjr
George de Mohrenschildt: A rich Russian oilman, who was described with his wife as being the two people friendliest to Oswald at the time of the assassination. De Mohrenschildt was the man who moved Oswald to Dallas. In the late 1970's, shortly before the first meeting of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, de Mohrenschildt started seeing a new doctor in town. He quickly became mentally unstable, at which time his wife convinced him to stop seeing the doctor. They moved away and left a false forwarding address. On the same day that the Committee tried to contact him about testifying, he was found dead of a gun shot wound. In his personal address book was the entry Bush, George H.W. (Poppy) and Zapata Petroleum Midland (the oil company owned by G.H. Bush).
Barry Seal: He was supposedly murdered by Medellin cartel members, but a 6-month investigation by Sam Dalton, attorney for three of the accused murderers, into Mr. Seal's life and death uncovered some interesting points. The accused's cartel connections were well known, but not their association with Oliver North's enterprise. Mr. Seal was a drug smuggler, up to his armpits in smuggling cocaine for - guess who? - the CIA. During the penalty phase of the Columbians' trial, testimony by one government witness on the activities of Mr. Seal was so damaging to the government, that 2 of the jurors wanted to change their verdict to "not guilty". The personal telephone number of George H. W. Bush was found in the trunk of Mr. Seal's car.
Florence Martin: She was Barry Seal's bookkeeper and was found in October 1994, sprawled across her bed, shot three times in the head through a pillow. Nothing in the house was taken, including her billfold (in plain view) or her late husband's gun collection. There was no evidence of a robbery.
William Colby: This former CIA director disappeared in an apparent boating accident, and a body was later discovered (minus the life jacket Colby's friends insisted he always wore while boating) and buried promptly. John DeCamp, a lawyer from Lincoln, Nebraska, and Colby's close friend and confidant, said Colby's death was not an accident. He stated that Colby was prepared to disclose that missing P.O.W.'s were working for a dope smuggling operation orchestrated by General Colin Powell, Pentagon official Richard Armitage, and George H. W. Bush.
Mrs. E. Howard Hunt: In December 1972, while George H. W. Bush was at the Republican National Convention, a United Airlines flight carrying Mrs. E. Howard Hunt, CIA operative and wife of Howard Hunt, (CIA operative and suspect in the Kennedy assassination) crashed. Believed to be carrying $25,000 in "hush money", she died in this crash.
Danny Casolaro: He was working on a book that tied together the scandals surrounding the presidency of George H. W. Bush. He told his friends he was going to "bring back" the head of the Octopus. Instead, his body was found in a hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia, on August 10, 1991, an apparent suicide.
Don McCoy: Mr. McCoy had agreed the day before to turn state's evidence in an FBI investigation that threatened some of El Paso's most prominent business leaders. On February 19, 1988, he took off from El Paso International Airport, banked to the right and headed southwest for approximately 2 * miles before it slammed into the I-10 right-of-way and exploded. With him was his secretary and her 11-year old son. All three were killed.
Olof Palme: He was the prime minister of Sweden, assassinated in 1986. Oliver North, the golden boy of the Bush/Reagan machine, had met with Mr. Palme to discuss the possibility of obtaining false end-user certificates for the plethora of weapons that were being purchased, so that they would seem to have come from a country other than the U.S. Mr. Palme refused to participate, after the plan was presented to him. He was dead within weeks.
Archbishop Oscar Romero: Archbishop Romero was a true hero, speaking out against atrocities by a Bush/Reagan backed fascist government. He refused to appear in public with any army or government personnel, and was a voice for the thousands of tortured, slaughtered and oppressed in El Salvador. He was shot in the back while preparing Mass. The death of Archbishop Romero is one among many. There is not enough space to list the hundreds of thousands who died under Reagan/Bush-backed, right-wing governments.

Below names Added by HardTruth/Wake Up America
James Howard Hatfield: James 43, wrote Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the making of an American President in 1999. The unauthorized biography accused Bush of covering up a cocaine arrest. But during interviews about the book, Hatfield lied to reporters about his own criminal past. A hotel housekeeper discovered the man's body about noon Wednesday, Springdale police Detective Al Barrios said Thursday. Barrios said the man apparently overdosed on two kinds of prescription drugs. Author of Bush Biography Commits Suicide
John F. Kennedy Jr: He was planning to run for National office according to Newsweek and People. He told friends he would have run for Senate in New York, but let Hillary Clinton run instead. ( Clinton might have had a hand in this to.) And he would have won. He was the most popular man in the US. And for good reason. He was a great guy. But he was the only Kennedy to ever acknowledge a conspiracy in his father’s death. He not only acknowledge it, he published an article by Oliver Stone, in his magazine, George, about assassination, conspiracies, and lying history books. Who would want to kill him? The people who killed his father had to kill him. Kennedy Jr. was going to go after them. So, who killed his father? George Herbert Walker Bush. Bush Killed JFK,Jr.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/bush_body_count.htm


 
I'm going to save a family from a burglar, then I'm going to walk into their house and take whatever I want. Because I deserve tribute payments after all.
 
Putin is widely popular. He doesn't intimidate the people (although he kills journalists, and runs the oligarchs thru fear).
Realpolitik - as crappy as Crimea is-means Putin looks out for Russian interests, and with the US meddling in the Ukraine-
him looking to cement a land route to Svestapol is quite logical.

And don't forget about NATO expansion. It's one reason he's softened up Donbass/eastern Ukraine.

He's completely and utterly outplayed Obama in the Mideast. If Obama wasn't so adverse to power projection, and had
some coherent plans besides balance with Iran ,maybe he wouldn't be on the sidelines now.

I would say it's very intimidating to know your government kills journalists. It's a hallmark of totalitarianism to cut off all dissenting viewpoints. After the journalists, who's next?

Putin is untrustworthy to a fault as bush 43 learned to his shame. Whether or not people think he outplayed Obama in the ME, he is not our friend.

"For 15 years, Vladimir V. Putin has confounded American presidents as they tried to figure him out, only to misjudge him time and again. He has defied their assumptions and rebuffed their efforts at friendship. He has argued with them, lectured them, misled them, accused them, kept them waiting, kept them guessing, betrayed them and felt betrayed by them.

Each of the three presidents tried in his own way to forge a historic if elusive new relationship with Russia, only to find their efforts torpedoed by the wiry martial arts master and former K.G.B. colonel. They imagined him to be something he was not or assumed they could manage a man who refuses to be managed. They saw him through their own lens, believing he viewed Russia’s interests as they thought he should. And they underestimated his deep sense of grievance.

To the extent that there were any illusions left in Washington, and it is hard to imagine there were by this point, they were finally and irrevocably shattered by Mr. Putin’s takeover of Crimea and the exchange of sanctions that has followed. As Russian forces now mass on the Ukrainian border, the debate has now shifted from how to work with Mr. Putin to how to counter him.
“He’s declared himself,” said Tom Donilon, President Obama’s former national security adviser. “That’s who you have to deal with. Trying to wish it away is not a policy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/24/w...a-riddle-named-putin.html?_r=0#/#time315_8525
 
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