NBC fires producer over edited Zimmerman 911 call

General Buck Turgidson said:
(1) We can find out why the producer did it without knowing the producer's name.
(2) I don't know if Zimmerman is a racist, but I know that he acted on the basis of Martin's race that night.
(3) It doesn't hold NBC accountable at all. To the extent it can be argued that it does, there are other ways of doing it without revealing the producer's identity.
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Tell me Dung, if in the Qwest case had we heard from Qwest that 'we fired the person responsible' would you have been so adamant about protecting the identity of those responsible?

Why do you think that person deserves anonymity? You have offered no justification that makes any sense. This wasn't a small error. Without knowing the persons name, other media outlets/public/etc... will never know that person's side of the story first hand. All we will keep hearing is the official NBC sanitized version of events.

The actual 911 tapes were publicly available to anyone and were posted on a shitload of websites. If NBC had exclusive access you'd have an argument, but that's not the case. I seriously doubt that the Today show really has that much reach.
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Yet the NBC version went fucking viral. It was posted on this board that has a few hundred people as members (less as regular members) it was used by many as reason to believe that Zimmerman was a racist. Yet you 'doubt the Today show has much reach'... fucking unbelievably HILARIOUS.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
I have no problem with criticism towards NBC. I find the calls for NBC to publicly identify the person that they fired so that the public can have at him or her to be a tad much, particularly SF's insistence that the person "should be held accountable to the public." What purpose would it serve?
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isn't exposing racism one of the tenants of your ideology? isn't what this produce did 'racism'? why do you feel that this producer, who obviously made the decision to edit and play this statement to show racism where none existed before, should not have to deal with a huge public backlash?
 
Superfreak said:
Tell us Dung... how did the NBC version reach THIS site? If it was confined to the reach of the today show? Are you honestly going to pretend that their version wasn't plastered all over the internet?
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I have no idea. I presume it got to this site after a poster read about it on a right-wing blogs. I don't think the NBC version was plastered all over the internet independent of the criticism for altering it. I listened to the tapes. I read unofficial transcripts and I never came across the NBC version. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
 
Superfreak said:
Tell me Dung, if in the Qwest case had we heard from Qwest that 'we fired the person responsible' would you have been so adamant about protecting the identity of those responsible?

Why do you think that person deserves anonymity? You have offered no justification that makes any sense. This wasn't a small error. Without knowing the persons name, other media outlets/public/etc... will never know that person's side of the story first hand. All we will keep hearing is the official NBC sanitized version of events.
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I don't even know what the Qwest case is so I'll have to plead ignorance on that one.

I think the person deserves anonyminity because I'm a human being and I know what will happen if that person is identified by name. It won't be pretty and will ruin that person's life for the near term. I don't think that is appropriate "punishment" for fucking up at work, particularly given the amount of money a producer earns (which isn't a heck of a lot). Our differences of opinion on this may well be based on our differences of opinion on the impact of the mistake. I don't think it was all that far-reaching.


Superfreak said:
Yet the NBC version went fucking viral. It was posted on this board that has a few hundred people as members (less as regular members) it was used by many as reason to believe that Zimmerman was a racist. Yet you 'doubt the Today show has much reach'... fucking unbelievably HILARIOUS.
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See my other post on this one.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
I think the person deserves anonyminity because I'm a human being and I know what will happen if that person is identified by name. It won't be pretty and will ruin that person's life for the near term. I don't think that is appropriate "punishment" for fucking up at work, particularly given the amount of money a producer earns (which isn't a heck of a lot). Our differences of opinion on this may well be based on our differences of opinion on the impact of the mistake. I don't think it was all that far-reaching.
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sorta like how identifying the person who killed another, even unarmed, and claims self defense deserves to be ruined because of inaccurate or even intentionally wrong premises like racism?
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
You know, I was just asking myself: I wonder what Don Cheadle thinks of all of this. Thanks.
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Hilarious. Do you ever comment on the content of what was said or do you always default to 'attack/belittle the person who wrote it'???

Just curious. If it is always going to be the latter, then you may as well be on IA as you add no value to the board.
 
Superfreak said:
Hilarious. Do you ever comment on the content of what was said or do you always default to 'attack/belittle the person who wrote it'???

Just curious. If it is always going to be the latter, then you may as well be on IA as you add no value to the board.
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I just have no idea why you posted that link. It was . . . odd.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
I don't even know what the Qwest case is so I'll have to plead ignorance on that one.

I think the person deserves anonyminity because I'm a human being and I know what will happen if that person is identified by name. It won't be pretty and will ruin that person's life for the near term. I don't think that is appropriate "punishment" for fucking up at work, particularly given the amount of money a producer earns (which isn't a heck of a lot). Our differences of opinion on this may well be based on our differences of opinion on the impact of the mistake. I don't think it was all that far-reaching.
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Let me guess, you are buying the NBC line that this was just an 'accident'??? so a person being held accountable for their actions should be determined by how much money they make?
 
Superfreak said:
Let me guess, you are buying the NBC line that this was just an 'accident'??? so a person being held accountable for their actions should be determined by how much money they make?
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I have no idea why it happened. I didn't even read what NBC had to say about it. And yes, the degree of accountability is proportional to income. If an NBC News executive who earns six or seven figures does something like this it's a little different that a person earning in the mid to upper five figures. Losing your job is accountability enough, particularly in this economy.
 
Superfreak said:
Yet you two care what Al and Jesse have to say???

Hilarious.

Cheadle makes very valid points and you two belittle him.
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I frankly don't care what anyone has to say. The guy is at the very least, guilty of manslaughter. I believe first degree murder, but I doubt that can be proved in the end.

A 17 yo boy doesn't get to live.

The rest of this is all wanking. I could give a shit.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Hilarious. There's a difference between "NBC is a legitimate target for criticism over this incident" and "all criticism of NBC over this incident is legitimate." You can pretend to not be smart enough to know the difference if you wish.
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:rolleyes:

Absolutely absurd.

First you criticize people for going after the wrong "target" and tell them there really is no reason to question their objectivity, then later tell another that it is ONLY their objectivity you should question and not that of the producer that they fired.

You need to learn what consistent means before starting in on this kind of inanity, or just step off the thread when you are about to make contrary posts like this. It really isn't helping your case to question the intelligence of others when you drop bombs like this so consistently.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
I have no idea why it happened. I didn't even read what NBC had to say about it. And yes, the degree of accountability is proportional to income. If an NBC News executive who earns six or seven figures does something like this it's a little different that a person earning in the mid to upper five figures. Losing your job is accountability enough, particularly in this economy.
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So you didn't even read what NBC had to say, but yet you pretend they have done enough. Bullshit. There are no separate rules of accountability based on income. If you deliberately race bait, deliberately paint someone as a racist, it is not only your job that should be at risk. Pretending they should get to hide in obscurity after a blatant attack on Zimmerman because by golly this is a tough economy is ridiculous.

regardless of what you heard/read that NBC did... do YOU think it is possible that the producer 'accidentally' edited the tape in that way? are you that naive?
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
You are mistaking the target of our belittlement. Here's a hint: it ain't Don Cheadle.
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Oh, so even worse, you are attacking me for pointing you to an article that highlights/enforces what I have been saying. Instead of addressing the points made, you wish to attack? Is that it Dung? You are too fucking pathetic to address the points? You have painted yourself in the corner with the 'they should remain anonymous, because by golly they have lost their job and that is enough' and so now you just blindly attack. Hilarious.
 
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