Natural origin for COVID

[serendipity]

Remember 50 senior intel people signing a letter that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation...they flat out lied their asses off. The same happened with senior scientists and journals claiming that SARS-COV2 could not possibly have come from the lab...they lied their asses off.

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[serendipity]

Yet Nutberg and others will blithely ignore all that, truly insane!

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[ExpressLane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1634553936173572097

 

[serendipity]

He never said it was a bioweapon. If an American company killed millions of people don't you think countries would demand reparations? The WIV is OWNED by the CCP. So they should pay. In the US alone 1.1 million people have died from COVID and hundreds of thousands have been harmed by it. Ten trillion is getting off cheap.

It truly baffles me why anybody sane, and TIE is most of the time, should want to defend the Chicoms, why?

 

[ExpressLane]

What is? That scientists know more about genetics than the OP does? Or that loons hate China more than they care about accuracy?

OK Perry the scientists have a financial motive to say it developed naturally. When Fauci ran the NIH he had the power over who received grants and who did not. And the signers of the Lancet article were organized by Dr. Peter Daszak the President of EcoHealth Alliance. The organization that Fauci funded to fund the WIV.

Robert R. Redfield, MD the former head of the CDC says Fauci is lying and the virus was made in a lab. Since the bat lady was working on putting a furin cleavage site S1S2 at the exact place COVID has a furin cleavage site and then insert the sequence T-CCT-CGG-CGG-GC it is unlikely it evolved by nature. No other Beta corona virus has a furin cleavage site. . The CCT codes for proline, the two CGG’s for two arginines, and the GC is the beginning of a GCA codon that codes for alanine. Only 5 percent of SARS2’s arginine codons are CGG, and the double codon CGG-CGG has not been found in any other beta-coronavirus. So how did SARS2 acquire a pair of arginine codons that are favored by human cells but not by coronaviruses? Coincidentally that is exactly what the bat lady wanted to do to a bat corona virus.

So Perry stick to something you know about like rocks. You are giving shade to people that need to be exposed. The world needs to get a handle on how Corona virus started so we can stop Gain of Function research before they create a virus that is much more virulent than COVID. A virus that could wipe out many times the 5 million that COVID has killed. This is an important issue for our kids and grand kids.

 

[serendipity]

OK Perry the scientists have a financial motive to say it developed naturally. When Fauci ran the NIH he had the power over who received grants and who did not. And the signers of the Lancet article were organized by Dr. Peter Daszak the President of EcoHealth Alliance. The organization that Fauci funded to fund the WIV.

Robert R. Redfield, MD the former head of the CDC says Fauci is lying and the virus was made in a lab. Since the bat lady was working on putting a furin cleavage site S1S2 at the exact place COVID has a furin cleavage site and then insert the sequence T-CCT-CGG-CGG-GC it is unlikely it evolved by nature. No other Beta corona virus has a furin cleavage site. . The CCT codes for proline, the two CGG’s for two arginines, and the GC is the beginning of a GCA codon that codes for alanine. Only 5 percent of SARS2’s arginine codons are CGG, and the double codon CGG-CGG has not been found in any other beta-coronavirus. So how did SARS2 acquire a pair of arginine codons that are favored by human cells but not by coronaviruses? Coincidentally that is exactly what the bat lady wanted to do to a bat corona virus.

So Perry stick to something you know about like rocks. You nare giving shade to people that need to be exposed. The world needs to get a handle on how Corona virus started so we can stop Gain of Function research before they create a virus that is much more virulent than COVID. A virus that could wipe out many times the 5 million that COVID has killed. This is an important issue for our kids and grand kids.

Perry reminds me of the geologist Bert Kibbler in The Big Bang Theory.

 

[ExpressLane]

A SCIENTIST who worked closely with the Wuhan lab has claimed Covid was genetically e

A SCIENTIST who worked closely with the Wuhan lab has claimed Covid was genetically engineered - and leaked from the facility.

Dr Huff claims the pandemic was the result of the US government's funding of dangerous genetic engineering of coronaviruses in China.



Dr. Huff was the VP of EcoHealth Alliance. So he should know what he is talking about.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20543847/wuhan-lab-warning-covid-lab-leak/

 

[ExpressLane]

Early on the scientists were quite clear that the genetics indicated a natural source, so OF COURSE the lab leak theory was considered a "conspiracy theory" because it was backed by loons who only cared about scoring points on ebil China.

I'm not worried about scoring points on China at all. I'm concerned about stopping GOF research before they create a new virus that is much more virulent than COVID and kills tens of millions of people.. The Scientists you speak of have a financial motive for what they said. None of them with the possible exception of Dr. Daszak had completely studied COVID they were afraid to go against Daszak and Fauci because they control a huge amount of grants in the field of virology. Go against them and you could lose you research funding.

It's not like you folks were somehow insightful. You didn't have any data and you sure as hell didn't understand the scientific data, so why do you think you are somehow validated for accidentally agreeing with a small handful of people now?

Oh Gee let me see. Here are some non hard science things to consider about COVID

1. No intermediate host found the SARS 1 host was found within 2 months.
2. In September all horseshoe bats in China are hibernating and none are sold in the wet market
3. For Natural selection the infection would have to travel from the bat caves (remember bats in hibernation) to Wuhan without infecting people along the way on the 1000 mile trip. (bats only range 50 miles from their caves)
4. 3 WIR researchers were hospitalized with severe respiratory infection in September.
5. The Bat lady was working on making Corona virus infectious to humans.
6. COVID shows up in Wuhan which coincidentally works on making Corona viruses infectious to humans
7. The Bat Lady was carrying out her research in Bio level 2 lab (think dentist office level) masks face shield lab coats gloves. The research should have been done in a bio-4 lab. (self contained moon suits etc.)

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.

Not necessarily the people who understand how viruses work, though.

I will admit I pulled out my old Immunology and Virology text book and refreshed my memory on furin cleavage etc. I also read this article which I found educational. And pretty fairly written. Again stick to rocks and leave virology alone.

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

Neither one of them are geneticists or virologists. And if you go with Trump on your science you will be well and truly screwed. The man is a fuckin' idiot.

Trump had access to US intelligence sources. You are award the FBI has concluded COVID came from the lab in Wuhan.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

It truly baffles me why anybody sane, and TIE is most of the time, should want to defend the Chicoms, why?

I am waiting for solid evidence and an informed consensus to emerge. So far IT HAS NOT.

The DoE has not revealed what the evidence is for their "low level" evaluation. Trump, of course, knew from the start that it was a Chinese lab leak, and as early as June 2020 he was making speeches calling for massive reparations from China.

Now a question for you. At the time of the post-WW1 flu pandemic, were any ex-presidents calling for reparations from Spain on the grounds that it was popularly (and probably wrongly) known as Spanish flu?

 

[serendipity]

I am waiting for solid evidence and an informed consensus to emerge. So far IT HAS NOT.

The DoE has not revealed what the evidence is for their "low level" evaluation. Trump, of course, knew from the start that it was a Chinese lab leak, and as early as June 2020 he was making speeches calling for massive reparations from China.

Now a question for you. At the time of the post-WW1 flu pandemic, were any ex-presidents calling for reparations from Spain on the grounds that it was popularly (and probably wrongly) known as Spanish flu?

Well hardly, Spanish Flu was caused primarily by the war with so many people from all over the world spreading the flu which came from China originally. One theory is the Chinese coolies brought to Europe to pick dead bodies off the battlefield were instrumental in its spread.

 

[ExpressLane]

I am waiting for solid evidence and an informed consensus to emerge. So far IT HAS NOT.

The DoE has not revealed what the evidence is for their "low level" evaluation. Trump, of course, knew from the start that it was a Chinese lab leak, and as early as June 2020 he was making speeches calling for massive reparations from China.

Now a question for you. At the time of the post-WW1 flu pandemic, were any ex-presidents calling for reparations from Spain on the grounds that it was popularly (and probably wrongly) known as Spanish flu?

I saw Christoper Wray interviewed the other day and he said he is confident COVID was most likely created in a lab in Wuhan. The US has new classified information that has not been released yet BTW.

Spanish flu started in a pig farm in the US it got into our army at Fort Riley Kansas and was transferred to Europe in WWI "Spanish" is a misnomer. Like every other flu it was not a purposeful act that created it like COVID. In fact no one had the ability to create a virus in 1918. We have that ability now.

Now a question for you. Have you always been an idiot?

I bet you are still waiting for solid evidence that OJ killed his wife.

 

[ExpressLane]

Well hardly, Spanish Flu was caused primarily by the war with so many people from all over the world spreading the flu which came from China originally. One theory is the Chinese coolies brought to Europe to pick dead bodies off the battlefield were instrumental in its spread.

It has been traced to Fort Riley Kansas and spread via WWI and is strongly thought to have originated in a pig farm in Kansas. Interestingly in the quest to understand Spanish flu they dug up the body of an Inuit woman in Alaska who died from the Spanish flu and was buried in the permafrost, to recover the virus.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

OK Perry the scientists have a financial motive to say it developed naturally.

So you have found "liars" among people who do stuff you have no understanding of. Sorry but I heard the exact same thing from Creationists who claimed scientists support evolution for money.
And on your science side you found one guy who disagrees. Surprise.

You don't know much about science if you think one data point makes the case. Sorry. That isn't how it works.

And before you go on exposing your ignorance of science in more detail let me be clear: I'm open to BOTH hypotheses. Until we know more I don't think any of us on here really have any meaningful opinion. But to make it sound like the lab leak hypothesis is ipso facto better is not yet proven.

And again the only reason you guys love the lab leak hypothesis is because, on the surface it looks like an easy mark and it also serves to align you with your dear leader, Trump who had a hatred of China.

So think about YOUR motives before suggesting scientists were doing it for money.

 

[serendipity]

So you have found "liars" among people who do stuff you have no understanding of. Sorry but I heard the exact same thing from Creationists who claimed scientists support evolution for money.
And on your science side you found one guy who disagrees. Surprise.

You don't know much about science if you think one data point makes the case. Sorry. That isn't how it works.

And before you go on exposing your ignorance of science in more detail let me be clear: I'm open to BOTH hypotheses. Until we know more I don't think any of us on here really have any meaningful opinion. But to make it sound like the lab leak hypothesis is ipso facto better is not yet proven.

And again the only reason you guys love the lab leak hypothesis is because, on the surface it looks like an easy mark and it also serves to align you with your dear leader, Trump who had a hatred of China.

So think about YOUR motives before suggesting scientists were doing it for money.

The FBI thinks it originated in the Wuhan lab as well, are they all ignorant as well??

 

[Saint Guinefort]

The FBI thinks it originated in the Wuhan lab as well, are they all ignorant as well??

Two points:

1) So far only the FBI and DOE think the lab leak theory is accurate and the DOE was clear it was with low confidence.

2) The FBI is not a virology organization last I checked and they have no jurisdiction to be investigating in China so I don't take their word as definitive


Hope that helps.

 

[ExpressLane]

So you have found "liars" among people who do stuff you have no understanding of. Sorry but I heard the exact same thing from Creationists who claimed scientists support evolution for money.

Perry I have had post graduate courses in virology have you??? I'll admit I did have to pull out my old textbook and freshen up on furin cleavage sites. I first started reading up when I saw that the prominent professor pointed out the furin cleavage site was a sign of it being bio engineered he called it a smoking gun. That raised my interests. Then I saw the former head of the CDC Dr Redfield say it was bio-engineered. Then I read an article that is fairly even handed written by Nicholas Wade that explains the issues with Lab created vs natural origins. Now the FBI agrees and the DOE agrees that a lab leak of a bio-engineered virus is most likely.

And on your science side you found one guy who disagrees. Surprise.

Hardly. And by the way Dr. Huff a epidemiologist who was the former Vice President of EcoHealth Allience ,which was taking grant money from fauci ran NIH and giving it to the WIV, to fund GOF research says COVID was created at the WIV lab.

You don't know much about science if you think one data point makes the case. Sorry. That isn't how it works.

Perry it is very obvious I know more about this than you do. And even Christoper Wray and the FBI who has privy to classified information believe COVID is from a lab leak. Not to mention the DOE which controls the National Laboratories believe it likely came from a lab leak.

And before you go on exposing your ignorance of science in more detail let me be clear: I'm open to BOTH hypotheses. Until we know more I don't think any of us on here really have any meaningful opinion. But to make it sound like the lab leak hypothesis is ipso facto better is not yet proven.

The mountain of evidence for lab leak is insurmountable.

And again the only reason you guys love the lab leak hypothesis is because, on the surface it looks like an easy mark and it also serves to align you with your dear leader, Trump who had a hatred of China.

Nope but Trump does happen to be correct but that isn't the reason I believe it. You are throwing poop on the wall and seeing if it sticks

So think about YOUR motives before suggesting scientists were doing it for money.

Oh noooooo people are never motivated by money.

 

[ExpressLane]

The FBI thinks it originated in the Wuhan lab as well, are they all ignorant as well??

Perry's Phimosis is cutting off blood flow to his brain.

This is an interesting article https://theintercept.com/2023/01/19/covid-origin-nih-emails/

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Perry I have had post graduate courses in virology have you???

And they didn't teach you about "anecdotal data" or even inferential statistics? Interesting.

Hardly. And by the way Dr. Huff a epidemiologist who was the former Vice President of EcoHealth Allience ,which was taking grant money from fauci ran NIH and giving it to the WIV, to fund GOF research says COVID was created at the WIV lab.

Creationist style debate. Sorry.

Perry it is very obvious I know more about this than you do.

You MIGHT know more about virology than I, but clearly you don't know much about how science actually operates (ironic, I know).

Oh noooooo people are never motivated by money.

Creationist Argument. Good job.

 

[serendipity]

Two points:

1) So far only the FBI and DOE think the lab leak theory is accurate and the DOE was clear it was with low confidence.

2) The FBI is not a virology organization last I checked and they have no jurisdiction to be investigating in China so I don't take their word as definitive


Hope that helps.

So you really think that the FBI which employs around 35,000 people has no epidemiologists, virologists, geneticists and other lab scientists on its payroll.

 

[ExpressLane]

And they didn't teach you about "anecdotal data" or even inferential statistics? Interesting.

Yes. Do you know the difference between anecdotal data and afurin cleavage site. What do you think the odds are that nature just happened to put a first ever furin cleavage site in the EXAXT place in a 30,000 pair genome that the Bat Lady said in a DOD grant application that she wanted to place a furin cleavage site? Coincidence I know Then there is this odd fact. CGG is coronavirus’s least popular codon for arginine.
I know this is probably going to get to complicated for you but try to hang with me. In the 30,000 pair sequence of the COVID genome arginine only appears 5% of the time. (You hanging in so far?) Percisely at the S1 S2 junction a furin cleavage site allows the insertion of a 12 nucleotide sequence ,T-CCT-CGG-CGG-GC.(still with me?) The CCT codes for proline, the two CGG’s for two arginines, and the GC is the beginning of a GCA codon that codes for alanine. Now here is the kicker. That is EXACTLY what the bat lady proposed to do in her DOD grant application that she applied for and was rejected for a year prior to COVID. I hope you got that. Now what do you think the odds are that agenine appers TWICE in a 12 nucleotide segment right where the Bat Lady said she would put one but only appear 5% of the time in the rest of the genome?

Creationist style debate. Sorry.

I accept your apology for feebly trying to inject a Creationist debate in a thread where none existed. I blame your phimois cutting off your cerebral blood flow. Dick head.

You MIGHT know more about virology than I, but clearly you don't know much about how science actually operates (ironic, I know).

Creationist Argument. Good job.