NASA says its Curiosity rover has made a discovery on Mars, but isn't saying more.

Dixie said:
I've grown up in the South, surrounded by Christian fundies in the Bible Belt, my family was largely Baptist, I have two uncles who are ministers. I have never heard any Christian teaching which refutes evolution theory as articulated by Darwin. I've never heard the 6,000 year old earth theology. Finally, I have never heard that God could have only created life on Earth and nowhere else. Now, one would think, after 53 years of living in the Bible Belt, surrounded by Christian fundies, I would have at least heard these things a few times. But no. I've heard them speak in tongues, I've watched videos of them supposedly healing people and handling snakes, and I've witnessed some pretty bizarre rituals from Pentecostals and such, but these repeated claims from the anti-religious left... never heard them once. Isn't that odd?
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Youve never heard of the Scopes Monkey Trials?
 
Dixie said:
I've grown up in the South, surrounded by Christian fundies in the Bible Belt, my family was largely Baptist, I have two uncles who are ministers. I have never heard any Christian teaching which refutes evolution theory as articulated by Darwin. I've never heard the 6,000 year old earth theology. Finally, I have never heard that God could have only created life on Earth and nowhere else. Now, one would think, after 53 years of living in the Bible Belt, surrounded by Christian fundies, I would have at least heard these things a few times. But no. I've heard them speak in tongues, I've watched videos of them supposedly healing people and handling snakes, and I've witnessed some pretty bizarre rituals from Pentecostals and such, but these repeated claims from the anti-religious left... never heard them once. Isn't that odd?
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Go to any religious board under evolution Intelligent design debates, and you will see this alot!

Anyways back on subject. They plan to make a colony on mars. If the core is ignited or can be ignited? I think there may be a chance to revitalize the planet.


http://news.yahoo.com/huge-mars-colony-eyed-spacex-founder-elon-musk-120626263.html
 
Haiku said:
Well traditional Baptists think for themselves but these SBC Baptists are nutters and believe all manner of insanity...and they're everywhere. This notion of imprecatory prayer and leaving marks in the street to indicate satan inspired business or people...it's wild. They'd burn people for witches if they could. We have at least one church full of these insane people. My inlaws were the insane variety of Baptist.

They aren't content to live and let live...they're going to brow beat you no matter what if they can.
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Well, my uncle is a Southern Baptist, he attended a Southern Baptist seminary, has preached in Southern Baptist churches for 55 years, and has also been a Southern Baptist evangelist. As I said, I asked him directly about the "6,000 yr-old Earth" and he had a belly laugh, before completely destroying the 'theory' with the first two verses of the Bible. He is also who pointed out to me, mainstream Christian belief does not refute or contest the theories espoused by Darwin on the evolution of living things. Where there seems to be a sharp differing of opinion, is regarding the issue of origin. Some people take Darwin's theories as a basis to construct an argument for origin, which contradicts Christian belief.
 
Jarod said:
Youve never heard of the Scopes Monkey Trials?
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Let me ask you a question... How many people do you know who were legal-age adults in 1925? I venture to guess, not very many, because they would have to be 105 today. So we can pretty safely say, the people who brought the Scopes Trial to court, are all dead and gone. What could they possibly have to do with what current-day Christians teach and believe?

They'd burn people for witches if they could.
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Well yeah, especially if we can suspend reality and go back in time hundreds of years and pretend modern-day Christians believe the same as people 87~150~250~500 years ago! When we can do that, anything is possible. Of course, if we stay in the real world, where most of us reside, this just ins't going to ever happen.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Go to any religious board under evolution Intelligent design debates, and you will see this alot!

Anyways back on subject. They plan to make a colony on mars. If the core is ignited or can be ignited? I think there may be a chance to revitalize the planet.


http://news.yahoo.com/huge-mars-colony-eyed-spacex-founder-elon-musk-120626263.html
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I don't know if 'igniting the core' is even a possibility but terra forming is a possibility...we may need it the way we're going here.
 
Haiku said:
A little science goes a long way...



It seems it was designed to find life and many other things.
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no, it's not.

read what you just quoted. "conditions favorable" is not life itself.


"All told, if organic compounds exist on Mars, Curiosity could find them. But although such a discovery would be a historic first for planetary exploration, chances are it won’t tell us anything about potential Martian life. Organic compounds such as amino acids—the building blocks of proteins—are present in and produced by all life forms on Earth. But these molecules can also be produced by natural, abiotic processes and are abundant in certain types of meteorites."
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http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/...ity-will-and-wont-teach-us-about-martian-life

Nasa's Mars Exploration Programme has as its defining question "Life on Mars?" but in the first few seconds of a recent video about Curiosity, project scientist John Grotzinger says, "Curiosity is not a life detection mission. We're not actually looking for life; we don't have the ability to detect life if it was there."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/across-the-universe/2012/aug/05/curiosity-rover-nasa-life-mars

That guy is the same guy that tom's original post quoted ^

Curiosity probably doesn't have smarts to find Mars signs of life
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4880339...ably-doesnt-have-smarts-find-mars-signs-life/
 
King of Owls said:
no, it's not.

read what you just quoted. "conditions favorable" is not life itself.


http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/...ity-will-and-wont-teach-us-about-martian-life


http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/across-the-universe/2012/aug/05/curiosity-rover-nasa-life-mars

That guy is the same guy that tom's original post quoted ^



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4880339...ably-doesnt-have-smarts-find-mars-signs-life/
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Shall we parse? Life or indications of life, past or present (does that cover it?)...yes it is...I quoted what they wrote from their own pdf and gave a link.
 
Haiku said:
LOL good point Jarod...
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No, it was a particularly BAD point, since the Scopes Trial was in 1925, and has nothing to do with modern Christian teachings. Even considering that, the Scopes argument does not mention a 6,000 year old Earth, or even attempt to refute the theories of Darwin. They just didn't want the theories taught in school. While that may seem a little uptight by today's standards, remember that during the same time, blacks and women often didn't get to vote. Now I know it makes you mental midgets feel all warm and fuzzy to find an example to prop up your anti-religious rantings, but really... 1925? Why stop there, what about the Witch Trials? What about the Crusades? Why not try and draw a parallel between today's Christian and those examples? If you're going to be completely intellectually dishonest, why stop with 1925?

Current-day Christian teachings simply aren't as you have portrayed them, and pulling up some lame example from 1925, is not helping make your point, it is only illustrating how you are being completely dishonest.
 
Dixie said:
No, it was a particularly BAD point, since the Scopes Trial was in 1925, and has nothing to do with modern Christian teachings. Even considering that, the Scopes argument does not mention a 6,000 year old Earth, or even attempt to refute the theories of Darwin. They just didn't want the theories taught in school. While that may seem a little uptight by today's standards, remember that during the same time, blacks and women often didn't get to vote. Now I know it makes you mental midgets feel all warm and fuzzy to find an example to prop up your anti-religious rantings, but really... 1925? Why stop there, what about the Witch Trials? What about the Crusades? Why not try and draw a parallel between today's Christian and those examples? If you're going to be completely intellectually dishonest, why stop with 1925?

Current-day Christian teachings simply aren't as you have portrayed them, and pulling up some lame example from 1925, is not helping make your point, it is only illustrating how you are being completely dishonest.
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1) you said you had never heard of that type of thought.

2) Yup, the day that trial was over, the Southern Baptist's all started believing in evolution.
 
Jarod said:
1) you said you had never heard of that type of thought.

2) Yup, the day that trial was over, the Southern Baptist's all started believing in evolution.
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I never have, of course, I wasn't around in 1925. I honestly don't know who believes in what, I just never have heard a Christian claim the Earth is 6,000 years old, or that evolution theory as presented by Darwin is not possible, or that God couldn't have created life anywhere but here on Earth. These are things you've claimed that Christians espouse, but you do this without evidence. Meanwhile, my evidence is overwhelming, 53 years of living in the Bible Belt, never having heard these teachings from Christians, and relatives closely associated with Christian teaching, directly refuting this as garbage. You have the Scopes trial from 87 years ago.

And I am betting you are too stupid to realize how thoroughly you've been PWNED.
 
Dixie said:
I never have, of course, I wasn't around in 1925. I honestly don't know who believes in what, I just never have heard a Christian claim the Earth is 6,000 years old, or that evolution theory as presented by Darwin is not possible, or that God couldn't have created life anywhere but here on Earth. These are things you've claimed that Christians espouse, but you do this without evidence. Meanwhile, my evidence is overwhelming, 53 years of living in the Bible Belt, never having heard these teachings from Christians, and relatives closely associated with Christian teaching, directly refuting this as garbage. You have the Scopes trial from 87 years ago.

And I am betting you are too stupid to realize how thoroughly you've been PWNED.
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http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
 
Jarod said:
http://www.biblebaptistpublications.org/creationevolutiondebate.html

There are hundreds of these sites. Go to Google and type in "evolution" and "baptist" and see.
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So... I can run out there and find the craziest wacko kooks blogging about their kook theories, and make an argument that they represent ALL LIBERALS, and start running around spreading the lie that this is what ALL LIBERALS think and believe? Because, that is where you've now taken it. You want to use obscure oddball websites to back up your claims about what mainstream Christians believe. Therefore, all the Heaven's Gate and David Koresh lunatics hereby represent the religious left! We know that Charlie Manson and Jeff Dahmer came from liberal-dominate areas of the country, therefore, they must represent the typical liberal! Gee, I didn't realize you fuckers were so sick and perverted!

See how that works, fucktard?
 
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