moon
Satire for Sanity
Not from you, maybe, you brain-dead, establishment, war-promoting ghoul. As for sane people- the accusations would be eternal, just as for the cowardly USAF mass-murder of Japanese civilians.
Nagasaki anniversary.
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Not from you, maybe, you brain-dead, establishment, war-promoting ghoul. As for sane people- the accusations would be eternal, just as for the cowardly USAF mass-murder of Japanese civilians.
Anvil Kasseri
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Wartime strikes against military targets are not murder.
The people who conducted the atomic bombing missions were very brave.
I doubt there would be any accusations about this hypothetical attack against San Diego. Where are your accusations about the horrific atrocities that WWII Japan inflicted?
You would ignore the attack on San Diego and instead make false accusations about how our massive retaliation was somehow murder.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Strikes against civilians are war crimes. Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima were population centers.
According to the very man who helped mastermind this, we absolutely WOULD have been accused of war crimes.
"Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal." - Curtis LeMay
According to you, there are no such things as war atrocities.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
There are plenty of atrocities associated with war, it's calling them "war crimes" that's ridiculous. The only true war crime is losing.
moon
Satire for Sanity
How can anybody posting on a political site on the subject of war be ignorant of the Kellogg-Briand Peace Pact, the International Tribunal at Nuremberg and the Geneva Conventions ?
Are you saying that you believe that crime doesn't exist unless you get caught ?
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Make all the laws you want on this, it doesn't change they are irrelevant if you are in a war and win. Take WW 2. If Hitler and Germany won that war would a single Nazi be tried for any of the "war crimes" they were at Nuremburg? Maybe the Nazis would try some Russians, Americans, or British for "war crimes" but their own generals would be celebrated as heroes, the Geneva Convention be damned.
So, call what you want a "war crime," unless you are the winner in a war, you can't dictate to the loser who gets punished for what. As for your own people, if they commit a crime much like committing one as a civilian, they will be tried as a criminal, not a "war criminal."
moon
Satire for Sanity
In order for your premise to be accurate the ' winner ' would have to destroy the entire legal framework of all of the united countries of the world so that nothing remained to form a prosecution. That is an impossibility. You haven't thought it through, have you.
Anvil Kasseri
Verified User
The atomic bombs were dropped on military targets.
Hiroshima held tens of thousands of Japanese soldiers awaiting deployment to resist our invasion of Kyushu.
Hiroshima was also the military headquarters in charge of repelling our invasion of Kyushu.
Kokura Arsenal (the intended target of the second A-bomb) was a massive (4100 feet by 2000 feet) machine gun factory. It was Japan's main source of light machine guns, heavy machine guns, and 20mm anti-aircraft machine guns, as well as ammo for all of those machine guns.
The Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works (destroyed by the second A-bomb) produced steel for Japan's war industry and used some of that steel to produce 100 naval torpedoes a month.
The Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Plant (destroyed by the second A-bomb) produced 400 aerial torpedoes a month.
Pearl Harbor had been thought immune to air-dropped torpedoes because the harbor was so shallow that an air-dropped torpedo would hit bottom and embed in the mud. Aside from Tokyo Bay, Pearl Harbor was the only place in the world with such natural defenses against air-dropped torpedoes. Japan had to develop special torpedo technology designed just for Pearl Harbor in order to attack us. The Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Plant was the place that designed and built those torpedoes.
Here's a picture of the Mitsubishi Urakami Ordnance Plant after the A-bomb:
https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/images/mitsubishi_image.htm
Tokyo as well had lots of war industry.
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The accusations would have been unjust, and would not have been based on actual facts.
I don't recall ever saying anything like that.
It was an atrocity for Japan to attack Pearl Harbor before they declared war.
It was an atrocity for Japan to brutally murder our POWs.
The Rape of Nanking was an atrocity.
Unit 731 was an atrocity.
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The atomic bombs were dropped on military targets.
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The intended secondary aimpoint was just a bit more to the south.
They intended the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works to be destroyed by the blast, but instead of dropping the atomic bomb to the north where it would also destroy the Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Plant, they wanted to drop it to the south where it would also destroy the Hayashi Commercial Company Engine Works, the Mitsubishi Electric Manufacturing Company, and the Akunoura Engine Works, all of which were part of Japan's shipbuilding industry.
Nagasaki's shipyards were responsible for some large warships:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Musashi
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Amagi
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
In order to prosecute a country or country's citizens and leaders for war crimes you have to be able to arrest them. The only way to do that would be to invade and conqueror the country. You sure can't extradite them. The UN nor the Hague has the power to do that. They'd require the intervention of a nation willing to go to war with that country to capture and bring those they claim committed war crimes to trial.
All the courts and prosecutors in the world can do nothing if they lack an enforcement mechanism and in terms of nations, that means a military capable of beating those you want to prosecute.
moon
Satire for Sanity
War criminals have been tried, sentenced and jailed. Some have been handed over, some have been arrested travelling outside of their countries, some have even been kidnapped in cases of Nazis. Extradition isn't out of the question and your premise that a war is necessary is very silly. Both Netanyahu and Tsipi Livni narrowly escaped arrest in London- and that was without any UN warrant. Bringing war criminals to justice is not a case of brute force- as much as supporters of brute force might like it to be.
History will record the terrorism and mass-murders in Hiroshima and Nagasaki as war crimes. You won't find the perpetrators glorified by idiots in the future, no statues, no rabble-rousing movies. The perps will be long dead, of course- but playing whack-a-mole with the truth is never successful.
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Anvil Kasseri
Verified User
Whoever nearly arrested them narrowly escaped being killed by the Israeli military.
Israel has every right to use military force to protect their officials from a phony arrest.
Attacks on military targets are neither terrorism nor murder nor war crimes.
History has already recorded that the atomic bombs were dropped on military targets.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Your reply shows the absurdity of the whole thing.
You propose that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are war crimes. This is just one example of how anything and everything in warfare somehow becomes a war crime to somebody because they don't like what happened. If Hiroshima and Nagasaki are war crimes then every bombing of every city since the invention of air power is a war crime. By extension, that would make owning aircraft with the capacity to attack ground targets equal to poison gas or biological warfare.
Your position is simply absurd.
Question: What exactly is the purpose for having a military force?
moon
Satire for Sanity
Well- you've shot yourself in the dumbass foot. The legal purpose of having a military is for self -defense. War is illegal so its purpose cannot be for aggression.
The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were acts of aggression- unwarranted terrorism designed to murder as many civilians as possible and therefore war crimes.
The absurdity is yours for supporting it.
Anvil Kasseri
Verified User
That is incorrect. Japan was the aggressor. We were defending ourselves.
That is incorrect. The atomic bombs were dropped on military targets. That is neither terrorism, nor murder, nor a war crime.
And they were very much warranted. We had every right to defend ourselves from Japan's aggression.
moon
Satire for Sanity
' Defending ' implies a threat. Huindreds of thousands of Japanese men, women and children did not come under that heading.
Civilians are only ' military targets ' in the sadistic minds of corrupt warlords. Nagasaki, Hiroshima and Tokyo were population centers. You lie to cover Lucifer's ass.
Terri4Trump
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Say the supporter of infanticide and abortion.
Oh the hypocrisy
Democrats are the party of infanticide, socialism, government control, smashing Free Speech rights, giving free stuff to illegal aliens, and now they are the party of mobs in the streets burning and destroying cities. See the burning cities and torn down statues, and you see the democrat party world. Mobs.
Republicans are the party of Traditional Values, Liberty and freedom. Donald Trump gave us the lowest unemployment rates since John F Kennedy until the virus hit, and now Democrats are trying to keep the virus going because they are so evil they are happy to destroy the economy simply to defeat Trump. That’s right. Masks and continued shutdowns are a joke, based totally on fear. There is a 0.04 death rate for Corona. People have more chance of dying from the Flu.