my view on u s use of military force, do you agree?

my view on u s use of military force, do you agree?

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Don Quixote

Don Quixote

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if a country attacks us or one of our allies, then after proper consideration and approval by congress (unless there is a clear and present imminent need) and only then should we use military force.

otherwise, we should stay out of the internal problems of other nations.
 
Don Quixote said:
if a country attacks us or one of our allies, then after proper consideration and approval by congress (unless there is a clear and present imminent need) and only then should we use military force. otherwise, we should stay out of the internal problems of other nations.
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But Obama will look weak if he doesn't punish the Syrians for crossing his 'red line'.
 
Don Quixote said:
if a country attacks us or one of our allies, then after proper consideration and approval by congress (unless there is a clear and present imminent need) and only then should we use military force.

otherwise, we should stay out of the internal problems of other nations.
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How about a non-committal agreement?

Given the unprecedented chasm between the Administration and Congress, a situation may arise that needs our immediate attention, but because of this insane rift between political parties, that situation won't be addressed in time to prevent a catastrophe. In that case, I would be fine with our elected leader to bypass Congress and act on his own accord(with the advise of his/her cabinet).

And I say this with all sincerity....I don't care if it's Obama as our Commander In Chief or the most adamant of the Right Wing. The buck stops with the President.

That being said? That President should be able to justify his actions to an inquest, should that situation arise. The inability to do so should be an impeachable offense.
 
Steelplate said:
How about a non-committal agreement?

Given the unprecedented chasm between the Administration and Congress, a situation may arise that needs our immediate attention, but because of this insane rift between political parties, that situation won't be addressed in time to prevent a catastrophe. In that case, I would be fine with our elected leader to bypass Congress and act on his own accord(with the advise of his/her cabinet).

And I say this with all sincerity....I don't care if it's Obama as our Commander In Chief or the most adamant of the Right Wing. The buck stops with the President.

That being said? That President should be able to justify his actions to an inquest, should that situation arise. The inability to do so should be an impeachable offense.
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is there an imminent attack outside syria that makes this an immediate problem?
 
Don Quixote said:
is there an imminent attack outside syria that makes this an immediate problem?
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OK...my friend.... let's not pussyfoot around. The entire Middle East Region is an immediate problem to our way of life.

Between the radicalism of Islam and the fact that they still hold the Trump Card in regards to our OIL ADDICTION? Yes.... it is somewhat of an Immediate problem.

I really DID think this thread was kind of a hypothetical though.
 
Steelplate said:
OK...my friend.... let's not pussyfoot around. The entire Middle East Region is an immediate problem to our way of life.

Between the radicalism of Islam and the fact that they still hold the Trump Card in regards to our OIL ADDICTION? Yes.... it is somewhat of an Immediate problem.

I really DID think this thread was kind of a hypothetical though.
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if we stopped exporting oil, we produce enough oil for the u s' needs.

unless i say so, my threads are never hypothetical.

i think that the u s should stay out of syria or back the current government against the muslim 'brotherhood'
 
Most of our imported oil comes from Canada & Mexico, doesn't it?

Obamas' government has stifled US oil exploration, yet we are now exporting oil, aren't we?
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again; if you want U.S. suport (of ANY nature) then you can petition our government to become a colony, governed and ruled by the U.S. Otherwise, fuck you.
 
Don Quixote said:
he made a mistake in drawing that line. what i would like to know is where are the other nation's views and support or lack of support.
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Right now, the other nations, especially Russia with an equal vote, agrees not so much. Not at all.
 
Steelplate said:
OK...my friend.... let's not pussyfoot around. The entire Middle East Region is an immediate problem to our way of life.

Between the radicalism of Islam and the fact that they still hold the Trump Card in regards to our OIL ADDICTION? Yes.... it is somewhat of an Immediate problem.

I really DID think this thread was kind of a hypothetical though.
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I wish this thread was more hypothetical, it really is real time. UN isn't going along with US, Russia nixed. Britain is backing off. Obama knows he's seen as very weak, he does read the polls. So now, what to do? What you probably don't care about, is he doesn't seem to give a fig about. He doesn't see a problem, other than now it's time for him to act, as he drew a red line because of chemical weapons.

He should get an A+, but foreign affairs doesn't work that way.

As I said previously, the last ignorant president we had on foreign affairs to compare to Obama was JFK. Excuse me for borrowing, 'but up to this point, I'm not seeing a comparison between JFK and Obama regarding learning from their mistakes.' Bay of Pigs v Benghazi.
 
Agree with me said:
Most of our imported oil comes from Canada & Mexico, doesn't it?

Obamas' government has stifled US oil exploration, yet we are now exporting oil, aren't we?
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i was speaking about the u s' oil exports. we would not need canadian or mexican oil imports if we stopped exporting our own oil. as for obama stopping u s oil exploitation, he has stopping drilling where oil companies have not demonstrated that their oil extraction is either safe or in the event of disaster readily cleanable.
 
Don Quixote said:
i was speaking about the u s' oil exports. we would not need canadian or mexican oil imports if we stopped exporting our own oil. as for obama stopping u s oil exploitation, he has stopping drilling where oil companies have not demonstrated that their oil extraction is either safe or in the event of disaster readily cleanable.
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Are you claiming that domestic oil production would by itself supply our thirst for oil?

Can the government legally tell businesses they can't export and sell oil to the highest bidder?

Oil extraction is not 100% safe nor are spills "readily cleanable".
 
/k/ said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again; if you want U.S. suport (of ANY nature) then you can petition our government to become a colony, governed and ruled by the U.S. Otherwise, fuck you.
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would i be correct that your position is that the u s should become an imperialist nation and not support our allies?
 
Agree with me said:
Are you claiming that domestic oil production would by itself supply our thirst for oil?

yes, if we stopped exporting oil extracted in the u s

Can the government legally tell businesses they can't export and sell oil to the highest bidder?

only in times of national emergency as declared by the president and congress

Oil extraction is not 100% safe nor are spills "readily cleanable".
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it is not even 50% safe or cleanable. there has been zero research by the major oil companies for safer extraction or faster and better cleanup
 
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