My ode to Islamophobia

my issue with islam is not that there are extremists. They exist in any religion. Its the number of extremists they generate as opposed to hindus buddhists etc.
 
my issue with islam is not that there are extremists. They exist in any religion. Its the number of extremists they generate as opposed to hindus buddhists etc.

Again, with that seems obvious enough lol.

The uncomfortable fact is that Islam is more amenable to radicalism than the other major religions. Yes, there were the crusades [who spent a fair amount of time fighting the jihadists of their day], the Klan and etc.

But pay attention to this part: in each instance Christian radicals were either buried by the Christian reformation or marginalized into irrelevance by mainstream Christianity, respectively. Present day jihadists mix social media and 12th century barbarism to form a deadly cocktail that has practically exterminated Middle East Christians and non-Muslims. And this perverse ideology threatens the West way more than Russia does.

Not that moderate Middle East Muslims have fared any better.

It doesn't matter how many moderate peace loving Muslims are in your circle of friends. Until Islam has a reformation the killing will continue unabated.
 
Again, with that seems obvious enough lol.

The uncomfortable fact is that Islam is more amenable to radicalism than the other major religions. Yes, there were the crusades [who spent a fair amount of time fighting the jihadists of their day], the Klan and etc.

But pay attention to this part: in each instance Christian radicals were either buried by the Christian reformation or marginalized into irrelevance by mainstream Christianity, respectively. Present day jihadists mix social media and 12th century barbarism to form a deadly cocktail that has practically exterminated Middle East Christians and non-Muslims. And this perverse ideology threatens the West way more than Russia does.

Not that moderate Middle East Muslims have fared any better.

It doesn't matter how many moderate peace loving Muslims are in your circle of friends. Until Islam has a reformation the killing will continue unabated.

I don't necessarily disagree w/ some of what you're saying here - though the caveat would be the sheer # of Muslims. %-wise, per capita, it probably isn't that much higher a # than those who have been radicalized in other religions.

I'm against religion in general. But as long as it exists, I think - as I said earlier in the thread - that everyone should be judged individually, on their own merits. Clearly, there are hundreds of millions of Muslims who do NOT commit violence. I think we make a mistake by making it more about the religion than anything else.
 
Again, with that seems obvious enough lol.

The uncomfortable fact is that Islam is more amenable to radicalism than the other major religions. Yes, there were the crusades [who spent a fair amount of time fighting the jihadists of their day], the Klan and etc.

But pay attention to this part: in each instance Christian radicals were either buried by the Christian reformation or marginalized into irrelevance by mainstream Christianity, respectively. Present day jihadists mix social media and 12th century barbarism to form a deadly cocktail that has practically exterminated Middle East Christians and non-Muslims. And this perverse ideology threatens the West way more than Russia does.

Not that moderate Middle East Muslims have fared any better.

It doesn't matter how many moderate peace loving Muslims are in your circle of friends. Until Islam has a reformation the killing will continue unabated.
bingo..well said
 
I pride myself on understanding the mind of a liberal. I know what they are going to say on a given issue before they do

What does boggle my mind is their unyielding defense of muslimes.

Forget the jihadi terrorists for a second. EVERYTHING about islum is antithetical to everything liberals claim to believe in from queers to treatment of women.

I wonder if any liberal can answer WITHOUT bringing up Christianity or the Crusades?

I doubt it
 
I would agree if not for the terrorists themselves making it about religion. They identify themselves by it. Am I wrong? Mistaken?

I don't think it's necessarily wrong, but again - it's kind of how they want us to see it. They're using the religion as a crutch for their own warped political agenda, and they want all of us along for the ride.

The KKK comparison is tired, but they did the same thing by burning crosses. As long as there is religion, there will be those who twist it for their own purpose. I'd definitely agree that we see that more w/ Islam in the present day, and that's where Darth is somewhat correct. The moderates - who vastly outnumber the extremists - have to claim Islam back somehow. I don't know how that gets done, but Christians did it. It really doesn't help that the hotbed of Islamic extremism is also a 3rd world region, where there is poverty, superstition & desperation.
 
I don't think it's necessarily wrong, but again - it's kind of how they want us to see it. They're using the religion as a crutch for their own warped political agenda, and they want all of us along for the ride.

The KKK comparison is tired, but they did the same thing by burning crosses. As long as there is religion, there will be those who twist it for their own purpose. I'd definitely agree that we see that more w/ Islam in the present day, and that's where Darth is somewhat correct. The moderates - who vastly outnumber the extremists - have to claim Islam back somehow. I don't know how that gets done, but Christians did it. It really doesn't help that the hotbed of Islamic extremism is also a 3rd world region, where there is poverty, superstition & desperation.

Exterminating ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, etc, will not be for religious reasons but for humanitarian reasons.
 
I pride myself on understanding the mind of a liberal. I know what they are going to say on a given issue before they do

What does boggle my mind is their unyielding defense of muslimes.

Forget the jihadi terrorists for a second. EVERYTHING about islum is antithetical to everything liberals claim to believe in from queers to treatment of women.

I wonder if any liberal can answer WITHOUT bringing up Christianity or the Crusades?

I doubt it

Your mistake is thinking that liberals defend Islam.

Liberals defend religious freedom. Coincidentally, the founders of our country did, as well. The more we stray from that, the more we stray from what it even means to be an American.
 
I don't think it's necessarily wrong, but again - it's kind of how they want us to see it. They're using the religion as a crutch for their own warped political agenda, and they want all of us along for the ride.

The KKK comparison is tired, but they did the same thing by burning crosses. As long as there is religion, there will be those who twist it for their own purpose. I'd definitely agree that we see that more w/ Islam in the present day, and that's where Darth is somewhat correct. The moderates - who vastly outnumber the extremists - have to claim Islam back somehow. I don't know how that gets done, but Christians did it. It really doesn't help that the hotbed of Islamic extremism is also a 3rd world region, where there is poverty, superstition & desperation.

That is good insight. This is about political agenda. A classic case of the Trojan horse. I like your insight.
 
And the political agenda is the subjugation of infidels according to [radical?] Islamic doctrine.

No. I agree with Thing1 that a lot of this is politically motivated. It is easy to hide it under Islam religion. One thing that will get people motivated if they agree with something or not is generally the power of religion. Make billions of people think you are attacking their religious beliefs and they will follow. I think ISIS and other radical islamic extremists are just using it as a tool to try and get whatever their true agenda is going.
 
That is good insight. This is about political agenda. A classic case of the Trojan horse. I like your insight.

Thanks, Sailor. I always appreciate your posts.

I can't claim - at all - to have a thorough understanding of this issue. But I think a common mistake is to try to simplify it to some sort of "us vs. them" knee-jerk reaction, where the "them" is anyone who has even a loose affiliation w/ the extremists via a common religion.

We're all in this together. Most reasonable people - Muslim & non-Muslim - don't want violence in the world, and want this particular problem of Islamic extremism to end.
 
Your mistake is thinking that liberals defend Islam.

Liberals defend religious freedom. Coincidentally, the founders of our country did, as well. The more we stray from that, the more we stray from what it even means to be an American.

WHEN one of those Muslims you want to practice his religious freedom straps a bomb to his back and blows up a building, we can only hope those you love and know benefit from that practice of religious freedom.
 
WHEN one of those Muslims you want to practice his religious freedom straps a bomb to his back and blows up a building, we can only hope those you love and know benefit from that practice of religious freedom.

Lovely thought. Did you by any chance see what was happening before you joined the thread? It's what an adult conversation looks like.
 
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