Musk gets his wings clipped!

United States wasn't in EU, and led the western democracies for seven decades until Trump.

:lolup: Thought Obama and Biden were leading.

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I think politically and realistically, you have to have a nuclear power be the leader of the Western democracies. Only a nuclear power has the credibility to be an ultimate deterrent. That leaves only UK and France as options.

:lolup: Thinks that the UK and France are going to take the lead.

Kamala voters say the dumbest shit. But it is fun to point at them and laugh.

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United States wasn't in EU, and led the western democracies for seven decades until Trump.

I think politically and realistically, you have to have a nuclear power be the leader of the Western democracies. Only a nuclear power has the credibility to be an ultimate deterrent. That leaves only UK and France as options.
The reason the EU, except for France, doesn't have nukes is due to the promise of a US nuclear umbrella. With the Orange Jesus and his MAGAts becoming isolationist and leaving Europe to Putin, the EU nations will have incentive to arm themselves with tactical nukes at a minimum. Both France and the UK, along with Israel, have the tech to share since they all have a good reason to unite.

It's been predicted by more than a few that a new arms race will be the result of the US leaving NATO and siding up with Putin and China.
 
What can anyone expect from people stupid enough to vote for an idiot like Kamala? :laugh:
By the overwhelmingly positive response from the public to Trump's speech, it is clear that they understand nothing promised is instantaneous. It will take time to produce more business for American manufacturers.
Why anybody is opposed to buying as much as possible from American producers is beyond me, but I also questioned why anybody thought allowing open borders for four years was a good idea.
Go figure.
 
The reason the EU, except for France, doesn't have nukes is due to the promise of a US nuclear umbrella. With the Orange Jesus and his MAGAts becoming isolationist and leaving Europe to Putin, the EU nations will have incentive to arm themselves with tactical nukes at a minimum. Both France and the UK, along with Israel, have the tech to share since they all have a good reason to unite.

It's been predicted by more than a few that a new arms race will be the result of the US leaving NATO and siding up with Putin and China.
Good point. I think Britain and France also imply nuclear protection extends to Germany, Italy, Belgium, etc. The question is whether Trump will continue American policy to extend our nuclear umbrella to Japan and South Korea.

Just like NATO had a hierarchy with the USA at the top, so would any future European alliance have a hierarchy. Luxembourg, Norway, and Portugal just aren't going to have the same influence as UK, Germany, and France. And Germany ultimately won't have the same deterrent capability as the UK. France is sometimes viewed as too independent minded and unstable. What are they on, the Fifth Republic now? lol
 
It's only been a month and Trump has alienated our long-standing allies that the 12 previous presidents carefully cultivated. Trump has four more years to poison the well, and unwind our alliances with the western democracies.
Or they could stop placing tariffs on America and expecting us to not put tariffs on them. It would also be nice if they would clamp down on drugs being smuggled into their neighbors to the south or to the north..
 
It’s interesting that you think I said only Australia and that it would be as good.
Australia has a population less than Texas. America consumes more than any other country in the world it will be hard to replace that market.
 
Ontario is a province. You mean Ottawa.
Captain Obvious to the rescue! :rofl2: :ROFLMAO: :rofl2:

Joe, if you weren't so demented and paranoid, you'd know the Premier of Ontario, Doug Ford, has been giving interviews about the boycotts. While the usual demented MAGA Morons claim they don't give a shit about NE states, it's been pointed out that they are too fucking stupid to realize the Ripple Effect the Dumbest Trade War in History will have upon most Americans.

Ontario slapping 25% surcharge on U.S.-bound electricity Monday, Ford says​

Province provides electricity to New York, Michigan and Minnesota


The Dumbest Trade War in History

Trump will impose 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico for no good reason.

 
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