“Multiple people hurt in shooting at Chiefs' victory parade”

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes, but just as I read your post our local TV station beeped a headline at the top of my IPad: “Two Juveniles Charged In Mass Shooting At The Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl Parade”

Emphasis mine…

It was no more a “Mass Shooting” than Trump is a scholar or a gentleman.

It was "mass" per the definition of the number of people hit, not what the dumbass shooters were aiming at. That said, there's no official definition so use of the term varies so I prefer the FBI definition, in which case you would be correct. This isn't a "mass shooting" since less than four people were killed.

"at least four people are murdered with a gun"

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/feb/14/what-counts-as-a-mass-shooting-the-definition-vari/

There is no widely agreed upon definition for mass shootings. Different groups measure mass shootings based on the number of people shot, injured or killed. Some groups exclude gang violence or domestic violence from their counts and include only indiscriminate violence, where a shooter fires a gun at random in public.

Here is how some groups define mass shootings or mass killings:...

...In 2013, the FBI defined mass shootings as any incident in which at least four people were shot and killed. The agency does not have an up-to-date counter on how many such mass shootings have happened in 2023.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/analysis-recent-mass-shootings

For the purposes of tracking crime data, the FBI defines a "mass shooting" as any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun. This survey adopts this definition of a mass shooting, making it a representative sample of shootings in which at least four people were murdered with a gun.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I am not going to even try and carry on a conversation with people like you that denies that GUNSHOW LOOPHOLES exist.

There is no reasoning with people like you!

I refuse to argue with idiots, most especially people like you that will not realize that GUNSHOW LOOPHOLES exist!

Find you a fool that is willing to argue with you about that!

Next!

"gunshow loophole" is Democrat code for "private sales". You know, like "thug" is Republican code for "black male".

Democrats like to say "we need to close the gunshow loophole" because it sounds less authoritarian assholish than "We want to ban private sales of guns in America".

 

[Lionfish]

Thugs pulling guns on other thugs.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Thugs pulling guns on other thugs.

Have you been to Texas?

People of all colors are using firearms in road rage here.

Happens every day here.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Have you been to Texas?

People of all colors are using firearms in road rage here.

Happens every day here.

Laser sights are really cool and allow aiming with one hand while driving 70MPH with the other.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

if an exemption is SPECIFICALLY written in to the law, it doesn't make it a loophole, moron. It's an exemption from the law. you know how that is, like exemptions for retired law enforcement being able to carry in all 50 states via LEOSA

OK! Doc Dutch uses the term Private Sales instead of Gunshow Loopholes.

But there are other gunshow loopholes.

But Private Sales are the largest problem.

I just wanted you to acknowledge that!

But, you won't, so never mind.

We'll just have to agree to disagree Sir!

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Laser sights are really cool and allow aiming with one hand while driving 70MPH with the other.

The problem is, it's usually the child sitting in the back seat that gets shot. So, they may not all be using them.

My semi 9 mm only has a laser that lines up with the sight and your target, but does not emit a ray on the target itself.

I prefer those basically. What do you think of those, BTW?

I think it helps when you want to fire off several rounds at the same target. The little laser help you get back on target after recoil a lot faster. But that's just me.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

OK! Doc Dutch uses the term Private Sales instead of Gunshow Loopholes.

But there are other gunshow loopholes.

But Private Sales are the largest problem.

I just wanted you to acknowledge that!

But, you won't, so never mind.

We'll just have to agree to disagree Sir!

private sales are the problem? tell us, then, would you prefer that government have some sort of regulatory say in the private sales of anything? should they regulate garage sales? tell you when you can plant red roses, or if you must plant red roses? Because that is the power you seem to want them to have.

how much government is too much government for you?

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

private sales are the problem? tell us, then, would you prefer that government have some sort of regulatory say in the private sales of anything? should they regulate garage sales? tell you when you can plant red roses, or if you must plant red roses? Because that is the power you seem to want them to have.

how much government is too much government for you?

You are getting out into the rose bushes again!

Guns and automobiles are both Public Safety Issues!

So they should be treated the same in having to obtain a license, and registering all guns to the state, that would allow you to buy, own, sell, or carry your gun in public.

And America will never be safe again until we do this in every state.

For Fuck's sake, you have to have a license registered to your state just to fucking fish man!

It's time we do what is fucking right- and what should have been done over 100 years ago!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The problem is, it's usually the child sitting in the back seat that gets shot. So, they may not all be using them.

My semi 9 mm only has a laser that lines up with the sight and your target, but does not emit a ray on the target itself.

I prefer those basically. What do you think of those, BTW?

I think it helps when you want to fire off several rounds at the same target. The little laser help you get back on target after recoil a lot faster. But that's just me.

Some people should spend more time at the range before engaging in live fire.

A good green laser is easily seen but often best set at the desired range to the target. Most pistols lose accuracy after 25 yards. https://www.pewpewtactical.com/effective-range-pistols-rifles-shotguns/

Yes, I love lasers. Practicing both with and without is good.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Some people should spend more time at the range before engaging in live fire.

A good green laser is easily seen but often best set at the desired range to the target. Most pistols lose accuracy after 25 yards. https://www.pewpewtactical.com/effective-range-pistols-rifles-shotguns/

Yes, I love lasers. Practicing both with and without is good.

We have a nice outdoor firing range here in Mesquite. We also have a nice indoor range.

But the outdoor range is the only place I have actually carried my weapons to.

That is where I set up my laser and zeroed it in.

I also like to shoot my .357 and my old western 45.

I just love 6 shooters mainly!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

OK! Doc Dutch uses the term Private Sales instead of Gunshow Loopholes.

But there are other gunshow loopholes.

But Private Sales are the largest problem.

I just wanted you to acknowledge that!

But, you won't, so never mind.

We'll just have to agree to disagree Sir!

Besides private sales, what are your other concerns? What do you propose as a solution? The Democrat usual? Ban them? LOL

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Besides private sales, what are your other concerns? What do you propose as a solution? The Democrat usual? Ban them? LOL

There used to be an annual GUN/GUITAR show in Waxahachie.

I only ever sold my guitars there, but people with guns were always offering to trade me a gun for a guitar- NO BACKGROUND CHECK necessary!

But another loophole is getting these Gunshow Dealers to abide with the background check laws- many are willy nilly!

 

[leaningright]

There used to be an annual GUN/GUITAR show in Waxahachie.

I only ever sold my guitars there, but people with guns were always offering to trade me a gun for a guitar- NO BACKGROUND CHECK necessary!

But another loophole is getting these Gunshow Dealers to abide with the background check laws- many are willy nilly!

In my experience the bolded is a myth. Especially since the early aughts.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There used to be an annual GUN/GUITAR show in Waxahachie.

I only ever sold my guitars there, but people with guns were always offering to trade me a gun for a guitar- NO BACKGROUND CHECK necessary!

But another loophole is getting these Gunshow Dealers to abide with the background check laws- many are willy nilly!

Some people have guns to trade. They are private owners. I strongly doubt a businessman would commit a felony illegally selling guns to someone who is probably a criminal.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You are getting out into the rose bushes again!

Guns and automobiles are both Public Safety Issues!

So they should be treated the same in having to obtain a license, and registering all guns to the state, that would allow you to buy, own, sell, or carry your gun in public.

And America will never be safe again until we do this in every state.

For Fuck's sake, you have to have a license registered to your state just to fucking fish man!

It's time we do what is fucking right- and what should have been done over 100 years ago!

you should probably move to a more totalitarian country. we do freedom here, anti american fuck

 

[SmarterthanYou]

There used to be an annual GUN/GUITAR show in Waxahachie.

I only ever sold my guitars there, but people with guns were always offering to trade me a gun for a guitar- NO BACKGROUND CHECK necessary!

But another loophole is getting these Gunshow Dealers to abide with the background check laws- many are willy nilly!

stop being a moron. A FFL licensed gun dealer that doesn't do background checks will always end up in jail.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

stop being a moron. A FFL licensed gun dealer that doesn't do background checks will always end up in jail.

Let me flip you a fish there you barking sea lion!! ARF ARF!

At least you realize now, that LICENSES have a function, and that function is to keep people honest.

Because if one wants to keep his license, he will abide by the rules and laws.

That is why there needs to be a license for the gun owner as well, just to say, that as a gun owner, I promise to abide by the rules and laws of gun ownership, and if I don't, I will lose my license to even own a gun.

IF YOU ONLY HAD HALF OF A BRAIN, YOU WOULD WANT EVERY ONE CARRYING A GUN IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD- TO HAVE A LICENSE PERMITTING THEM TO CARRY THEIR WEAPON ON THEM. I mean, do you really want someone walking down your street, carrying a gun illegally?

And one of those gun laws should be that gun owners may only sell their guns to registered licensed dealers. And licensed gun owners may only purchase their guns from LICENSED GUN DEALERS. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP US ALL SAFER!

The idea is to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not be allowed to own them. RIGHT?

The only way to do that is for every gun owner be licensed, every dealer have a dealer's license, and every gun be registered to the state.

My Dad had a philosophy, that he reminded me of many times- and that I practice in everything I do, and that is, "If you are going to do something- DO it right, or don't do it at all!

He had others, like- "If you are going to do something, do it right the first time, and then you won't have to go back and do it all over again"!

The problem America faces with Guns, is- WE NEVER DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

We allowed all of these loopholes to exist because we do not license gun owners, and we have never registered our guns to our states- Like we register our automobiles now and and license people that gives them the earned privilege to even be allowed to drive them in public IN THE FIRST PLACE.

STARTING TO CATCH ON THERE SLOW LEARNER?

CAN YOU ONLY IMAGINE WHAT A FUCKED UP DANGEROUS AND CRIMINAL WORLD WE WOULD ALL BE LIVING IN IF WE DIDN'T REGISTER OUR AUTOMOBILES, OR LICENSE DRIVERS?

You just aren't using your noggin' BOY! And I am sick and tired of having to tell you knuckle draggers this!

NEXT!

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I haven't read this entire thread, but I guess it was gang bangers and not terrorists.

I guess that puts the incident into the "shit happens" category.

We'll always have "social clubs" that don't like one another.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

you should probably move to a more totalitarian country. we do freedom here, anti american fuck

You are the problem- NOT I!

I am trying my best to keep the 2nd amendment alive, so that you can have all the play toys you want- BUT I WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE LICENSED TO OWN A GUN AND THAT ALL YOUR GUNS ARE REGISTERED TO THE STATE.

That way, if you sell a gun illegally without a background check, or pull your gun out on someone illegally, or use your gun in a road rage, and if caught doing so, THE AUTHORITIES can REMOVE YOUR 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHT TO OWN A GUN! That way, I know you passed your tests for ownership, and were permitted a license that allows you to carry it in public automatically. That way, should your TOYS get stolen, it would make it much easier for your TOYS to be returned to it's proper owner should they show up on the streets again- IN THE WRONG HANDS!

Without you having a license, for all I know right now- YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER IDIOT WITH A GUN!

NEXT!