Mueller's investigation of Trump is going too far (CNN)

Corazón said:
Bloody hell, even CNN are saying that Mueller is taking the piss!
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" The piece goes on to cite law enforcement sources who say non-Russia-related leads that "involve Trump associates" are being referred to the special counsel "to encourage subjects of the investigation to cooperate."
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Meuller is completely out of control -
not even staying within Russian related manners to get dirt on those he wants to lean on
 
anatta said:
Last month, when President Donald Trump was asked by The New York Times if special counsel Robert Mueller would be crossing a line if he started investigating the finances of Trump and his family, the President said, "I think that's a violation. Look, this is about Russia."

The President is absolutely correct. Mueller has come up to a red line in the Russia 2016 election-meddling investigation that he is dangerously close to crossing.

According to a CNN article, Mueller's investigators could be looking into financial records relating to the Trump Organization that are unrelated to the 2016 election.
According to these reports, "sources described an investigation that has widened to focus on possible financial crimes, some unconnected to the 2016 election.

" The piece goes on to cite law enforcement sources who say non-Russia-related leads that "involve Trump associates" are being referred to the special counsel "to encourage subjects of the investigation to cooperate."

This information is deeply concerning to me. It does not take a lawyer or even a former federal prosecutor like myself to conclude that investigating Donald Trump's finances or his family's finances falls completely outside of the realm of his 2016 campaign and allegations that the campaign coordinated with the Russian government or anyone else. That goes beyond the scope of the appointment of the special counsel.

In fact, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's letter appointing special counsel Robert Mueller does not give Mueller broad, far-reaching powers in this investigation. He is only authorized to investigate matters that involved any potential links to and coordination between two entities -- the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

People are wrongly pointing to, and taking out of context, the phrase "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation" to characterize special counsel's authority as broad.
The word "investigation" is clearly defined directly preceding it in the same sentence specifically as coordination between individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump and Russia. The Trump Organization's business dealings are plainly not within the scope of the investigation, nor should they be.

Indeed, Sunday on Fox News, Rod Rosenstein acknowledged Mueller had limited authority and would need to seek his permission to expand the investigation.
Beyond the legal reading, the broad authority argument defies plain logic: If the special counsel could investigate anything he wants, why would there even need to be a letter spelling out the specific limits of the investigation?

One of the dynamics at play here is that people are conflating this investigation and Kenneth Starr's 1994 investigation into President Bill Clinton. While partly understandable at first glance, the two investigations are not comparable -- not only have more than two decades passed since then, but a completely new law and legal framework governing separate investigations has also passed.

Starr was an independent counsel and Mueller is a special counsel, the two words are different for a reason.
Any investigation into President Trump's finances or the finances of his family would require Mueller to return to Rod Rosenstein for additional authority under Mueller's appointment as special counsel.
If he were to continue to investigate the financial relationships without a broadened scope in his appointment, then this would raise serious concerns that the special counsel's investigation was a mere witch hunt. If Mueller is indeed going down this path, Rosenstein should act to ensure the investigation is within its jurisdiction and within the authority of the original directive.

I've prosecuted several financial crimes at the federal level and I've also defended plenty in my private practice. From this unique vantage point, I can understand how a motivated prosecutor, in a broad investigation into the financial affairs of high-profile individuals, can become overzealous toward the targets of such probes -- with calamitous results.
While no one is above the law, in situations such as this, any seasoned prosecutor must use discretion both judiciously and expertly.
It is time for Rosenstein, who is the acting attorney general for the purposes of this investigation, to order Mueller to limit the scope of his investigation to the four corners of the order appointing him special counsel.
If he doesn't, then Mueller's investigation will eventually start to look like a political fishing expedition. This would not only be out of character for a respected figure like Mueller, but also could be damaging
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to the President of the United States and his family -- and by extension, to the country.
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I thought you ppl were saying CNN is fake news, & now your quoting it?? :rofl2: SO ARE YOU POSTING CNN FAKE NEWS OR NOT??
 
Corazón said:
Maybe CNN has had a change if heart and decided to broadcast some real news?
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& that would be totally based on your agreement w/ the story......lol

The truth be told, any news unfavorable to your rump is fake news in ya'lls opinions..
 
Bill said:
& that would be totally based on your agreement w/ the story......lol

The truth be told, any news unfavorable to your rump is fake news in ya'lls opinions..
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Well if you were being honest Bill, you might just admit to a little partisanship on your part.
 
Bill said:
I thought you ppl were saying CNN is fake news, & now your quoting it?? :rofl2: SO ARE YOU POSTING CNN FAKE NEWS OR NOT??
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asked and answered earlier in the thread..this is an opinion piece I found on their website.
I realize they mix in newz and hateful ani-Trump on their TV coverage- this was pure opinion
 
anatta said:
progressive left, although I haven't seen you disagree with the Dems since the election
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That isn't a party...........

I post what I feel lead to post, I'm not a dem nor have I ever been, unlike you........

They have lil to no power, not much of a priority now is it..........:dunno:
 
Corazón said:
What does that have to do with it? You obviously loath and detest Trump with every fibre of your being.
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And he's one of many on the left.

If Bill was forced to type out the words 'President Trump' he would turn into a quivering mass of flesh before he got the first word out. There's no reasoning with them when it comes to Trump because Trump is evil.

Granted, there were those on the right who still view Obama with similar disdain. But the 'hard fringes' on both sides make it difficult to govern.
 
Darth Omar said:
And he's one of many on the left.

If Bill was forced to type out the words 'President Trump' he would turn into a quivering mass of flesh before he got the first word out. There's no reasoning with them when it comes to Trump because Trump is evil.

Granted, there were those on the right who still view Obama with similar disdain. But the 'hard fringes' on both sides make it difficult to govern.
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the "resistance"is all they got
 
noise said:
the "resistance"is all they got
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But The Resistance has no message.

Though democrats are trying to revive The New Deal---I forget what they are calling and I'm too lazy to Google it lol. Which should tell you something---Political junkies aren't even sure what it's called.

At some point democrats are going to run into trouble 'resisting' because unemployment under Trump is at a 16 year low. Who wants to 'resist' economic numbers like that? And there is a pretty decent chance the Trump numbers will continue to go up.

I would say excellent chance except for congressional republicans are next to worthless. They need to consider the possibility voters will see them as The Resistance's best ally.

Because they are.
 
Darth Omar said:
But The Resistance has no message.

Though democrats are trying to revive The New Deal---I forget what they are calling and I'm too lazy to Google it lol. Which should tell you something---Political junkies aren't even sure what it's called.

At some point democrats are going to run into trouble 'resisting' because unemployment under Trump is at a 16 year low. Who wants to 'resist' economic numbers like that? And there is a pretty decent chance the Trump numbers will continue to go up.

I would say excellent chance except for congressional republicans are next to worthless. They need to consider the possibility voters will see them as The Resistance's best ally.

Because they are.
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i suppose. But Trump gets tied to the Republicans in the Senate, and that is not a good place either
 
Darth Omar said:
But The Resistance has no message.

Though democrats are trying to revive The New Deal---I forget what they are calling and I'm too lazy to Google it lol. Which should tell you something---Political junkies aren't even sure what it's called.

At some point democrats are going to run into trouble 'resisting' because unemployment under Trump is at a 16 year low. Who wants to 'resist' economic numbers like that? And there is a pretty decent chance the Trump numbers will continue to go up.

I would say excellent chance except for congressional republicans are next to worthless. They need to consider the possibility voters will see them as The Resistance's best ally.

Because they are.
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There are many branches of The Resistence, Indivisible is one of them.

https://www.indivisibleguide.com/statements/

I also belong to a local group in my state that is helping to support local candidates who support our issues, it formed after the Women's March.

You fail to understand how the Resistence works. It's goal is not to become a party, but to activate and empower the people.

Moveon.org has a big text campaign that notifies people with the newest message of Resistence and the actions to take.

It is many small group that have come together to not only resist Trump, but anyone or legislation we see as harmful to "we the people"
 
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