Mu variant

Nordberg said:
Variants are created by random mutations. They are possible because the Trump virus stays alive and well due to anti-vaxxers and the refusal of rightys to honor safety recommendations. There will be more.
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So many of you people need some remedial work with your evolution lol.

And I’m the Bible thumper.
 
Darth Omar said:
It’s conjecture all around
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We only have conjecture for why things are the way they are, but we know the way things are. Delta has existed from before September of 2020, so was not caused by the vaccine.

Darth Omar said:
Way too much of this stuff is taken like it’s etched in stone. There’s every reason to think the vaccines could/will produce variants by the exact same evolutionary mechanism that gave rise to the so called ‘super bug’ bacteria. I’ve mentioned this before and no one can give a straight answer.
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You start by claiming that we are pretending to have way too much certainty, and then have way too much certainty. Bacteria's evolution is much slower, but more complex than RNA viruses evolution. Antibiotic resistance is different from vaccine resistance. Antibiotic resistance has taken 70+ years to develop.

So far, there is no evidence of any effect on Covid-19 evolution by the vaccines. Maybe at some later date, new variants connected to the vaccine will come along, but so far nothing.
 
Darth Omar said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1433611201347530756

This is Fauci talking so you have to take it with a grain of salt.

The Mu variant was first identified in Columbia but that’s just where it was first identified—it could have literally evolved anywhere. Speaking of evolved, I have yet to hear an explanation as to why vaccine induced selection pressure is never mentioned as a possible reason for the explosion of variants.

Fauci goes on to suggest that a third jab is a strong possibility but then assures us that the third jab will be the final jab.
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He is saying that because Delta is currently 98% of the American cases, there is no room for anything else. But Delta will be exhausted in a few months, at that point we might be in huge trouble. They are still trying to figure out if the vaccines have any effect on Mu. Its the same story with Lambda. What we do know is that almost everyone agrees that it is only a matter of time before the current so-call vaccines are useless.
 
Walt said:
We only have conjecture for why things are the way they are, but we know the way things are. Delta has existed from before September of 2020, so was not caused by the vaccine.



You start by claiming that we are pretending to have way too much certainty, and then have way too much certainty. Bacteria's evolution is much slower, but more complex than RNA viruses evolution. Antibiotic resistance is different from vaccine resistance. Antibiotic resistance has taken 70+ years to develop.

So far, there is no evidence of any effect on Covid-19 evolution by the vaccines. Maybe at some later date, new variants connected to the vaccine will come along, but so far nothing.
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Bacteria populations reproduce rapidly and logarithmically, Alter. That’s more than plenty fast enough for the production of variants. The rise of the super bugs coincided with the *over use* of antibiotics and not their origin. When a population of bacteria encounters a high number of individuals with antibiotics on board—bingo, resistant strains of bacteria pop up.

See where this is going?

Relative complexity is a non-starter because natural selection only needs a source of mutations to work with.
 
Darth Omar said:
Bacteria populations reproduce rapidly and logarithmically, Alter. That’s more than plenty fast enough for the production of variants. The rise of the super bugs coincided with the *over use* of antibiotics and not their origin. When a population of bacteria encounters a high number of individuals with antibiotics on board—bingo, resistant strains of bacteria pop up.

See where this is going?

Relative complexity is a non-starter because natural selection only needs a source of mutations to work with.
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RNA viruses lack the self correcting of even DNA viruses. They mutate so quickly that 99% of their offspring are not viable. Literally, all their offspring are mutated. They evolve more in a day than bacteria would evolve in a decade.

The problem is partially overuse of antibiotics, but also partial use. People use some of their prescription, and then stop. Animals are fed a bit of antibiotics. This creates an environment where there is both natural selection, and not complete wipe out.

With vaccines, they go after the spike protein. Covid-19 has a relatively complex spike protein, which is tough to change. It is not all together clear that there is a improvement in the spike protein that will both be viable, and get around the vaccine.
 
Walt said:
RNA viruses lack the self correcting of even DNA viruses. They mutate so quickly that 99% of their offspring are not viable. Literally, all their offspring are mutated. They evolve more in a day than bacteria would evolve in a decade.

The problem is partially overuse of antibiotics, but also partial use. People use some of their prescription, and then stop. Animals are fed a bit of antibiotics. This creates an environment where there is both natural selection, and not complete wipe out.

With vaccines, they go after the spike protein. Covid-19 has a relatively complex spike protein, which is tough to change. It is not all together clear that there is a improvement in the spike protein that will both be viable, and get around the vaccine.
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This is no longer settled science, there is great debate about this.
 
Walt said:
RNA viruses lack the self correcting of even DNA viruses. They mutate so quickly that 99% of their offspring are not viable. Literally, all their offspring are mutated. They evolve more in a day than bacteria would evolve in a decade.

The problem is partially overuse of antibiotics, but also partial use. People use some of their prescription, and then stop. Animals are fed a bit of antibiotics. This creates an environment where there is both natural selection, and not complete wipe out.

With vaccines, they go after the spike protein. Covid-19 has a relatively complex spike protein, which is tough to change. It is not all together clear that there is a improvement in the spike protein that will both be viable, and get around the vaccine.
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You just disproved your own argument.

Anyone can grow an antibiotic resistant strain of bacteria in their own body just starting with the natural strain—don’t finish a course of antibiotics.
 
dukkha said:
Over the past few weeks, the leftist media has been especially hostile to the drug Ivermectin and has referred to it as a "horse drug." But the science, reality and history show the medication won a Nobel Prize in 2015 for human use.
William C. Campbell, an expert in parasite biology working in the USA, acquired Omura’s Streptomyces cultures and explored their efficacy. Campbell showed that a component from one of the cultures was remarkably efficient against parasites in domestic and farm animals. The bioactive agent was purified and named Avermectin, which was subsequently chemically modified to a more effective compound called Ivermectin. Ivermectin was later tested in humans with parasitic infections and effectively killed parasite larvae (microfilaria) (Figure 3). Collectively, Omura and Campbell’s contributions led to the discovery of a new class of drugs with extraordinary efficacy against parasitic diseases.

The discoveries of Avermectin and Artemisinin have fundamentally changed the treatment of parasitic diseases. Today the Avermectin-derivative Ivermectin is used in all parts of the world that are plagued by parasitic diseases. Ivermectin is highly effective against a range of parasites, has limited side effects and is freely available across the globe. The importance of Ivermectin for improving the health and wellbeing of millions of individuals with River Blindness and Lymphatic Filariasis, primarily in the poorest regions of the world, is immeasurable. Treatment is so successful that these diseases are on the verge of eradication, which would be a major feat in the medical history of humankind. Malaria infects close to 200 million individuals yearly. Artemisinin is used in all Malaria-ridden parts of the world. When used in combination therapy, it is estimated to reduce mortality from Malaria by more than 20% overall and by more than 30% in children. For Africa alone, this means that more than 100 000 lives are saved each year.

The discoveries of Avermectin and Artemisinin have revolutionized therapy for patients suffering from devastating parasitic diseases. Campbell, Omura and Tu have transformed the treatment of parasitic diseases. The global impact of their discoveries and the resulting benefit to mankind are immeasurable.

While the federal government hasn't issued an official approval for Ivermectin to be used as a treatment for Wuhan coronavirus, to mock the drug as one only given to animals is counter to reality and anti-science. Many who have been diagnosed with Wuhan coronavirus and have taken the drug say it helped them to recover from the disease.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...a-nobel-prize-for-miracle-human-uses-n2595193
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I almost think the whole Ivermectin bullshit story is a diversion tactic to downplay Regeneron which actually mitigates the effects of the virus. Which these libtards HATE. They would like to ban that too and demand everyone take the vaccine and nothing else.
 
Damocles said:
Mu? There's been 8 variants since Delta and the only one we talk about is Delta?
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Delta is what is here now.

Americans are not very smart, are short term thinkers, and the quality of our conversations suck....almost all of our ancestors did better....they either did or they tended to die.
 
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