Mr. 25%

The noun leftist has one meaning:

Meaning #1: a person who belongs to the political left
Synonyms: collectivist, left-winger

The adjective leftist has one meaning:

Meaning #1: believing in or supporting tenets of the political left
Synonyms: left-of-center, left-wing

a person who belongs to the political left

Anyone belonging to "the left", could include anyone from John Kerry to Noam Chomsky.
 
C'mon cawacko: you still fundamentally support bush, right?

I mean you voted for him twice, you continue to support the iraq war, you supported privitzation of social security, health savings accounts, etc. ;)

When I'm being honest with myself on political issues I will ask myself do I support that position because I support the person proposing it or would I support this position if someone I didn't "support" proposed it?

For the sake of discussion I'll use Bill Clinton (or any other Democrat)...

Would I support personal accounts along with Social Security if Bill Clinton had proposed it? Yes I would.

Would I support HSA's if Bill Clinton proposed it? Yes I would.

Would I support lowering Taxes if Bill Clinton if Bill Clinton had proposed it the way they were cut in '01 and '03? Yes I would.

Those are fundamental positions I hold regardless of the person in charge.

Iraq War - yes I supported it in '03. It is quite obvious Bush and the administration made major mistakes in how they've handle the war. They have botched it. It still doesn't change how I felt at the time when the decision was made.

Now there are other issues such as judges and wiretapping and other things Bush has done I have had real difficulty with when I use the "how would I feel if Bill Clinton did it" senario.

Then there are things like Katrina and the Harriet Miers fiasco that are non-partisan but he just blew on his own.
 
Iraq War - yes I supported it in '03. It is quite obvious Bush and the administration made major mistakes in how they've handle the war. They have botched it. It still doesn't change how I felt at the time when the decision was made.

Okay. So how do you feel now? Would you still support his insane decision to invade knowing what you know now: Saddam didn't have a WMD program, Iran would be empowered, Chalabi basically p!mped us for Iran, the inspections were working, destabilizing Iraq caused more deaths than Saddams reign did at the time of the invasion, increased terrorism in Iraq and we have no exit strategy nor a plan to stabilize the region.
 
When I'm being honest with myself on political issues I will ask myself do I support that position because I support the person proposing it or would I support this position if someone I didn't "support" proposed it?

For the sake of discussion I'll use Bill Clinton (or any other Democrat)...

Would I support personal accounts along with Social Security if Bill Clinton had proposed it? Yes I would.

Would I support HSA's if Bill Clinton proposed it? Yes I would.

Would I support lowering Taxes if Bill Clinton if Bill Clinton had proposed it the way they were cut in '01 and '03? Yes I would.

Those are fundamental positions I hold regardless of the person in charge.

Iraq War - yes I supported it in '03. It is quite obvious Bush and the administration made major mistakes in how they've handle the war. They have botched it. It still doesn't change how I felt at the time when the decision was made.

Now there are other issues such as judges and wiretapping and other things Bush has done I have had real difficulty with when I use the "how would I feel if Bill Clinton did it" senario.

Then there are things like Katrina and the Harriet Miers fiasco that are non-partisan but he just blew on his own.


I can't figure out if this means you broadly approve of the Bush presidency, or whether you have finally disowned it.

:confused:
 
I can't figure out if this means you broadly approve of the Bush presidency, or whether you have finally disowned it.

:confused:

Well, in case you're unclear on my stance, I hate the fvcker, want him impeached and jailed for high crimes against humanity. I'd like us to pull out immediately and pretty much reverse every thing he's done in the last 6.5 years.
 
Well, in case you're unclear on my stance, I hate the fvcker, want him impeached and jailed for high crimes against humanity. I'd like us to pull out immediately and pretty much reverse every thing he's done in the last 6.5 years.

lol

Tell us how you really feel.

Me? I'd pay good money to see bush stand trial in the Hague for war crimes. I'm totally on board with you
 
Well, in case you're unclear on my stance, I hate the fvcker, want him impeached and jailed for high crimes against humanity. I'd like us to pull out immediately and pretty much reverse every thing he's done in the last 6.5 years.

Finally...we were wondering. ;)
 
I know. At times I can ambiguous in regards to where I stand on issues dealing with him. I just thought it was time to clear things up.
 
Okay. So how do you feel now? Would you still support his insane decision to invade knowing what you know now: Saddam didn't have a WMD program, Iran would be empowered, Chalabi basically p!mped us for Iran, the inspections were working, destabilizing Iraq caused more deaths than Saddams reign did at the time of the invasion, increased terrorism in Iraq and we have no exit strategy nor a plan to stabilize the region.

In hindsight I would change a lot of things in my life and in hindsight regarding Iraq they should have planned far differently than they have.

Just my personal feeilng that I supported it when we went in and it would be politically expediant for me to change now what I believed at the time. If I say now I wish we hadn't gone in I feel I would be coping-out. My "support" helped get us in there (though Bush didn't come close to winning California, Polesi is my local rep and Boxer and Feinstein are Sen) although vote for Feinstein for Senate and she voted for the bill in 2003 although my vote changed very little as she is probably the most popular politician in the state.
 
I can't figure out if this means you broadly approve of the Bush presidency, or whether you have finally disowned it.

:confused:

There are things he's done I support and things he's done I don't. I don't view it such that I much be 100% for Bush or 100% against him.
 
In hindsight I would change a lot of things in my life and in hindsight regarding Iraq they should have planned far differently than they have.

Just my personal feeilng that I supported it when we went in and it would be politically expediant for me to change now what I believed at the time. If I say now I wish we hadn't gone in I feel I would be coping-out. My "support" helped get us in there (though Bush didn't come close to winning California, Polesi is my local rep and Boxer and Feinstein are Sen) although vote for Feinstein for Senate and she voted for the bill in 2003 although my vote changed very little as she is probably the most popular politician in the state.


People can be wrong Cawacko. And if you've been proved wrong by subsequent events, it's not political expediancy to admit it. It's also a good way to keep from making the same mistake again.
 
In hindsight I would change a lot of things in my life and in hindsight regarding Iraq they should have planned far differently than they have.

Just my personal feeilng that I supported it when we went in and it would be politically expediant for me to change now what I believed at the time. If I say now I wish we hadn't gone in I feel I would be coping-out. My "support" helped get us in there (though Bush didn't come close to winning California, Polesi is my local rep and Boxer and Feinstein are Sen) although vote for Feinstein for Senate and she voted for the bill in 2003 although my vote changed very little as she is probably the most popular politician in the state.

In hindsight I would change a lot of things in my life and in hindsight regarding Iraq they should have planned far differently than they have.


I'm blown away by this.

So, knowing now that Iraq had no WMD, no collaborative ties to al qaeda, no ability to attack the U.S., and was ruled by a ruthless, yet secular, dictator that considered international jihadists a threat to his own regime....

You STILL would have invaded, albeit with a "better" plan?
 
People can be wrong Cawacko. And if you've been proved wrong by subsequent events, it's not political expediancy to admit it. It's also a good way to keep from making the same mistake again.


Even beyond that, it's important to acknowledge to show that you have a brain, are discerning & are capable of growth both mentally & politically.

"Admitting Iraq was a mistake" has become a serious litmus test for me in politics. I'm still not satisfied with Hillary's response on this, unless I've missed something. If - after all that has happened - someone is incapable of admitting that invasion was a mistake, their mental stability & ability to reason need to be severely questioned. Certainly, for anyone in politics, their fitness for office should be doubted...
 
Even beyond that, it's important to acknowledge to show that you have a brain, are discerning & are capable of growth both mentally & politically.

"Admitting Iraq was a mistake" has become a serious litmus test for me in politics. I'm still not satisfied with Hillary's response on this, unless I've missed something. If - after all that has happened - someone is incapable of admitting that invasion was a mistake, their mental stability & ability to reason need to be severely questioned. Certainly, for anyone in politics, their fitness for office should be doubted...

Agreed, it's my biggest problem with Hillary as well.
 
Agreed, it's my biggest problem with Hillary as well.

Ditto. My grandmother still loves her though. She's actually spoken to her quite a few times. I'm watching a migration in my family over Hillary's support. Last week when I was in DC, I talked to my aunt who a few months ago was going to campaign for her. Now she's not too keen of her (of course I teased her and told she's months behind the curve ball) either - illegal immigration was the nail in the coffin on that (for Obama too).
I was talking to my grandmother who is a big supporter. When I mentioned the war, she mumbled something which effectively said, yeah, I know she's wrong about that but I like her. If she doesn't succomb to dementia even more over the next few months, I suspect her support will fade as well.
 
I think we should hold a waterboarding party for the Bush Administration.
After all if they told the truth it could save American lives....
 
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