MOTHER@UCKER

apple0154 said:
They will know whether or not they want a child and would look after it properly.
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So you're saying that someone who had an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy, who decided to carry it full term for their own reasons, never made the decision afterward that they were glad they didn't have the abortion?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
pretty sure he won't get re-elected at the end of his term, but anyone that thinks he's gonna do any jail time or even face serious repercussions is dreaming. at most i bet he only gets anger management and probation.
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I heard on the radio that he won't face charges due to the statute of limitations having expired.

He should be tortured to death.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So you're saying that someone who had an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy, who decided to carry it full term for their own reasons, never made the decision afterward that they were glad they didn't have the abortion?
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I'm sure some did just as I'm also sure some didn't.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But you're willing to sacrifice them all, just for the sake of those who make the choice you agree with and that's were your entire argument falls apart.
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Again, it's based on logic and common sense. If one does not want a child logic and common sense tell us.....probably, more likely than not, the odds are...they will not look after it properly.

A child requires parents to "sacrifice" and in today's world that's a dirty word and to expect a young woman to sacrifice her dreams of higher education and a career and expect she will look after a child she does not want makes no sense at all. The woman will be bitter and the child will suffer. Also, young people change partners more frequently than in the past and a child results in a woman having to maintain contact with the father whom she does not want to maintain contact with.

Forfeited or postponed education and career. Continued presence of a person in her life she does not like. The reason? A child she never wanted. Logic and common sense tell us she will be bitter and the child will be the recipient of such discontent.

Would anyone who truly claims to have a child's best interest at heart insist a child be brought into such a situation? It's not logical and it defies common sense.
 
apple0154 said:
Again, it's based on logic and common sense. If one does not want a child logic and common sense tell us.....probably, more likely than not, the odds are...they will not look after it properly.

A child requires parents to "sacrifice" and in today's world that's a dirty word and to expect a young woman to sacrifice her dreams of higher education and a career and expect she will look after a child she does not want makes no sense at all. The woman will be bitter and the child will suffer. Also, young people change partners more frequently than in the past and a child results in a woman having to maintain contact with the father whom she does not want to maintain contact with.

Forfeited or postponed education and career. Continued presence of a person in her life she does not like. The reason? A child she never wanted. Logic and common sense tell us she will be bitter and the child will be the recipient of such discontent.

Would anyone who truly claims to have a child's best interest at heart insist a child be brought into such a situation? It's not logical and it defies common sense.
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I can't help thinking that he is against abortion because there would be less juvenile delinquents and less need for his services.
 
apple0154 said:
Again, it's based on logic and common sense. If one does not want a child logic and common sense tell us.....probably, more likely than not, the odds are...they will not look after it properly.

A child requires parents to "sacrifice" and in today's world that's a dirty word and to expect a young woman to sacrifice her dreams of higher education and a career and expect she will look after a child she does not want makes no sense at all. The woman will be bitter and the child will suffer. Also, young people change partners more frequently than in the past and a child results in a woman having to maintain contact with the father whom she does not want to maintain contact with.

Forfeited or postponed education and career. Continued presence of a person in her life she does not like. The reason? A child she never wanted. Logic and common sense tell us she will be bitter and the child will be the recipient of such discontent.

Would anyone who truly claims to have a child's best interest at heart insist a child be brought into such a situation? It's not logical and it defies common sense.
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this, combined with the attitude about what you liberals would do if there were an extended crisis and 'self reliant' people wouldn't share, truly depicts your value of human life. close to nil. why should we pay any more attention to your claims of wanting to protect people from themselves?
 
apple0154 said:
Again, it's based on logic and common sense. If one does not want a child logic and common sense tell us.....probably, more likely than not, the odds are...they will not look after it properly.

A child requires parents to "sacrifice" and in today's world that's a dirty word and to expect a young woman to sacrifice her dreams of higher education and a career and expect she will look after a child she does not want makes no sense at all. The woman will be bitter and the child will suffer. Also, young people change partners more frequently than in the past and a child results in a woman having to maintain contact with the father whom she does not want to maintain contact with.

Forfeited or postponed education and career. Continued presence of a person in her life she does not like. The reason? A child she never wanted. Logic and common sense tell us she will be bitter and the child will be the recipient of such discontent.

Would anyone who truly claims to have a child's best interest at heart insist a child be brought into such a situation? It's not logical and it defies common sense.
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And you're still sticking with your usage of absolutes, even though you're toning it down with the inclusion of "...probably, more likely than not, the odds are...they will not look after it properly..."

The rest of your attempt at reason, must have something to do with the Kanadian way of dismissing lfe.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I can't help thinking that he is against abortion because there would be less juvenile delinquents and less need for his services.
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OH, I see we're back to square one.
I'm surprised that you're not agruing against it, seeing as how if would provide a larger base for your pedophilia.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
this, combined with the attitude about what you liberals would do if there were an extended crisis and 'self reliant' people wouldn't share, truly depicts your value of human life. close to nil. why should we pay any more attention to your claims of wanting to protect people from themselves?
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Huh? How do you arrive at that conclusion? Not bringing children into a situation where they will be neglected/abused IS valuing human beings. Expecting people to share IS valuing human beings. It's the people who propose bringing children into the world and then say, "You're on you own" who are the ones who don't value human beings. It's the people who don't give a damn about others who are the ones that don't value human life.

Let's look after the ones who are here. It's that simple.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And you're still sticking with your usage of absolutes, even though you're toning it down with the inclusion of "...probably, more likely than not, the odds are...they will not look after it properly..."

The rest of your attempt at reason, must have something to do with the Kanadian way of dismissing lfe.
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It's not dismissing life. As I wrote to STY let's start by looking after the people who are here. Hundreds, if not thousands, of children die every day from hunger and disease. Can you possibly cheapen life any further than by advocating we not help them but bring more into the world?

Where is the logic and common sense?
 
apple0154 said:
Huh? How do you arrive at that conclusion? Not bringing children into a situation where they will be neglected/abused IS valuing human beings. Expecting people to share IS valuing human beings. It's the people who propose bringing children into the world and then say, "You're on you own" who are the ones who don't value human beings. It's the people who don't give a damn about others who are the ones that don't value human life.

Let's look after the ones who are here. It's that simple.
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your thinking is so backwards. Its that simple.
 
apple0154 said:
It's not dismissing life. As I wrote to STY let's start by looking after the people who are here. Hundreds, if not thousands, of children die every day from hunger and disease. Can you possibly cheapen life any further than by advocating we not help them but bring more into the world?

Where is the logic and common sense?
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My disagreement with you, is your continual desire to try and use absolutes in an attempt to justify your assertions.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
your thinking is so backwards. Its that simple.
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Every time this bullshit is trotted out, the same questions need to be asked but are never answered. One, why is life considered so precious before birth but not afterwards? Two, why are you not advocating far more resources for the adoption agencies?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Every time this bullshit is trotted out, the same questions need to be asked but are never answered. One, why is life considered so precious before birth but not afterwards? Two, why are you not advocating far more resources for the adoption agencies?
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1)all I did was use apples words against him, so maybe asking him for straight answers is what you should do

2) dont confuse me for a typical conservative. I believe there is a womans right to choose, just like my right to try to persuade her to choose life over absolving her responsibility
 
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