More than half of Mississippi GOP voters say Obama is a Muslim, new poll suggests

Alias said:
In the Muslim culture, a child born to a muslim father is automatically a muslim.
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yeah, yeah....maybe to SOME muslims...but that doesn't obama is a muslim. are you saying he is incapable of choosing? are you saying that we should judge all people based on sharia or islamic viewpoints?

wasn't his father an athiest or something?
 
Yurt said:
i never suggested the poll was invalid. stop your usual bullshit right now.
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Sure you did, albeit not explicitly.


Yurt said:
and you haven't presented a credible reason for discounting rasmussen than i have for being suspect of PPP. your issues are the same, rasmussen leans right, and PPP leans left. but you are quick to defend PPP and quick to slam rasmussen.
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Sure I have. Rasmussen admits that its likely voter model for general elections matchups this far out from an election favors Republican candidates. It's not that "Rasmussen leans right," it's that Rasmussen's voter model for general election matchups favors Republicans. Now, maybe you can make a case that PPP's likely voter model for general election matchups leans right, but even if true that would have no bearing on this poll, which was a poll of Republican primary voters in Alabama and Mississippi.


Yurt said:
1. same reason applies here. but you somehow find PPP to be more trustworthy because they are a liberal polster.
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No, the same reason does not apply here. This isn't a general election poll and there is nothing to indicate that PPP's model for determining likely Republican primary voters in Alabama and Mississippi would somehow produces a subgroup of Republican voters that is more likely to believe that Obama is a Muslim than Republicans primary voters in Alabama and Mississippi generally.


Yurt said:
2. PPP is admittely a liberal leaning polster. but you somehyow find PPP to be trustworthy because they are a liberal polster.
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No, PPP admittedly has a former Democratic pollster as its President and CEO. I don't find it to be any more or less "trustworthy" than any other polling outfit on that basis. It's track record is actually quite good. But again, even assuming for purposes of argument that PPP is a liberal poster what could PPP have done, other than actively fudging the results of the polls, that would produce invalid (or, again, "suspect" if you prefer that term) results in this particular poll?


Yurt said:
your reasons are possibly coherent, but utterly biased. why didn't PPP poll dem voters on the same issue?
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Um, that's just ad hom on top of ad hom. I'm liberal so I'm biased because I don't think PPP's poll is invalid (or "suspect") because it is liberal and therefore biased. You haven't presented any substantive reason for discounting the results of this poll other than the fact that PPP is a liberal polling outfit. That's weak sauce, Yurt.

As for why PPP didn't poll likely Democratic primary voters on the same issue, I do not know. Email PPP and ask. If I were to guess, I'd say that it is likely because there isn't a contested Democratic primary in these states and it isn't polling any primary race generally and thus doesn't get to ask other questions that may be of interests. So like basically PPP was probably polling the Republican primary race and figured since its got these likely Republican primary voters on the line it ought to like take advantage of the opportunity to ask them questions other than just who they plan to vote for. Just a guess.
 
Sure - Yurt never suggested that the poll is invalid. He just called it a "hit piece," and spent most of the thread calling anyone who sees it as valid a "hack."

But he never suggested that it's invalid.
 
they were polling about the gop primary....why even ask about obama? answer - to smear the gop in those states.

a more accurate poll would be a poll of everyone. onceler is too stupid to understand the difference between a hit piece and something being valid. something can be valid and a smear at the same time. and i have not called everyone who says it is valid a hack, another lie. nigel is a hack because he dismisses rasmussen and then turns around and blindly accepts PPP when PPP is simply on the opposite political spectrum as rasmussen.
 
Yurt said:
why do you suspect rasmussen? same reason. but of course since this is a lib polster, you're fine with that. lol
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I don't think Rasmussen is more than 4% or so biased towards the GOP (as was indicated in their 2010 election polls). Even if we are to say that this poll was wildly biased, 10% or so, the numbers would still be incredibly disappointing.
 
Yurt said:
they were polling about the gop primary....why even ask about obama? answer - to smear the gop in those states.
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Ask PPP why. While you're at it, ask why they asked Alabamans if they were fans of Auburn or Alabama. I'm curious myself about that question.


Yurt said:
a more accurate poll would be a poll of everyone. onceler is too stupid to understand the difference between a hit piece and something being valid. something can be valid and a smear at the same time. and i have not called everyone who says it is valid a hack, another lie. nigel is a hack because he dismisses rasmussen and then turns around and blindly accepts PPP when PPP is simply on the opposite political spectrum as rasmussen.
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Hilarious. I've explained my reasoning w/r/t Rasmussen. Rasmussen himself has acknowledged that his firm's likely voter model is favorable to traditionally Republican voters. And I don't dismiss Rasmussen polls. I take into consideration the fact that the likely voter model favors traditional Republican voters. You haven't explained your reasoning w/r/t PPP and you haven't explained why you question the validity of this poll.

Also, your view that PPP should waste its resources conducting a poll of likely Democratic voters when there is no Democratic primary is stupid.
 
Onceler said:
There is a reason politicians and partisan pundits have always used & will continue to use propoganda: it works.

One of the most effective means of propoganda is repetition. For example, repeatedly referring to Obama in a year-long campaign as "Barrack Hussein Obama." Or repeatedly saying how he "pals around with terrorists," or something to that effect.

It works.
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Propaganda huh ????

Do you mean to tell me that Barrack Hussein Obama isn't the Presidents name or that Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn weren't terrorists ? lol

I guess even the truth can be propaganda then.......I never thought of propaganda as being true for some reason.

you may have point there Onceler....and you're right, it works.......
 
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Onceler said:
Because they wanted the opinions of Republicans?

lol
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That way its has propaganda value.....

If the dems were polled and answered relatively the same way, they couldn't spin it to give the false impression it gives.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Ask PPP why. While you're at it, ask why they asked Alabamans if they were fans of Auburn or Alabama. I'm curious myself about that question.




Hilarious. I've explained my reasoning w/r/t Rasmussen. Rasmussen himself has acknowledged that his firm's likely voter model is favorable to traditionally Republican voters. And I don't dismiss Rasmussen polls. I take into consideration the fact that the likely voter model favors traditional Republican voters. You haven't explained your reasoning w/r/t PPP and you haven't explained why you question the validity of this poll.

Also, your view that PPP should waste its resources conducting a poll of likely Democratic voters when there is no Democratic primary is stupid.
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dung....i've explained my reasons to you more than once. just because you don't agree with my reasons, doesn't mean i did not explain them to you. it always cracks me up how far you bend over for your beloved party.
 
Yurt said:
dung....i've explained my reasons to you more than once. just because you don't agree with my reasons, doesn't mean i did not explain them to you. it always cracks me up how far you bend over for your beloved party.
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Oh, right. PPP is a lefty pollster. I forgot.
 
Yurt said:
why do you suspect rasmussen? same reason. but of course since this is a lib polster, you're fine with that. lol
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That's a good point. Rasmussen is not the only pollster with serious accusations of bias. Zogby has had some and of course there is Fox.
 
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