How so?
More religious intolerance...from Temeculah, California
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How so?
Socrtease
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Wasn't like it was a large crowd in California, I think it said there were a dozen or so protesters. That being said, it was a small group of people that started the mayhem on Krystal Nacht.
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The Almighty
True... it only takes one nut for mayhem to ensue...
But that doesn't alter the feeble attempts by partisan hacks like Zappa and Cypress to label 'conservatives' or 'republicans' as a bunch of racists/homophobics/bigots blah blah blah....
zappasguitar
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You mean like how the Muslim community of Murfressboro Tennessee didn't consider another "alternative" so "someone" burned down their Mosque?
Tell me. What choice would YOU make if bigots gave you two choices only:
Don't Build It/Build It and We "Don't Know What Might Happen"
Nice to see the Conservative Community stepping up and LOUDLY DENOUNCING these terror attacks on American Citizens who have a right to worship as they see fit.
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nice to see you stepping up and denouncing church arsons and vandalism....hundreds of cases a year and not a fucking peep from you...but oh lord a couple of incidents with muslims and the world is ending and see how this is an example of christians and the right....don't you see LOUDLY DENOUNCING attacks on churches
your idiocy knows no bounds
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The Almighty
Again you take the extreme and try to paint all conservatives with their actions.
Bottom line, you are a fucking moron. Churches, abortion clinics, mosques, Jewish synagogues etc.. all face incidents where extreme nuts attack them. They are denounced by the vast majority of people on both the right and the left. To try and paint the 'conservative community' with the actions of a few extremists is nothing short of retarded. How many mosques are in this country that haven't been attacked/burned down etc...????
zappasguitar
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And other than "not build it", what exactly might that "alternative" be??
I wasn't referring to ALL conservatives...just the bigoted ones in Murfreesboro, Tennessee and their thinly veiled "consider another alternative" threat.
cawacko
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the alternative i've read is place in another location that is not two blocks from ground zero
zappasguitar
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I can't speak for SF,but I've been referring to a Mosque in Murfreesboro, Tenn, and another in California.
Someone tried to burn the Murfreesboro Mosque down after the Muslim owners didn't come up with an "alternative" suitable to bigots protesting it's expansion.
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Minister of Truth
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I've kind of gotten used to mosques where I'm from. There is one down the street from my uncle Mark's house, and another one is a couple of blocks from Amerca's oldest shopping mall, Northgate (that's right bitches, suck on that!!), in North Seattle.
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The Almighty
Your original post mentioned the NYC mosque along with the CA mosque. I commented on both of those. You mentioned the TN mosque, but did not provide a link to the story. But again, as I pointed out to you.... you are simply trying to link the actions of extremists to conservatives on the whole. You are pretending that conservatives have somehow failed to condemn the action in TN.
so tell us... WHY should 'conservatives' be ashamed?
And what are those views exactly?
I'm not trying to be a smartass; it's just that I have yet to see an argument against building the mosque that is presented without prejudice.
cawacko
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This is just me but I think one can say I support the building of the center/mosque based on the first admendment but due to the events of 9/11 don't believe it should be two blocks from ground zero. Now you may say that's prejudice but I would also say one can have that position and not be coming from a bigoted position.
I'm open to that possibility; I'm not discounting that.
I just haven't heard it. Every argument I have heard against the mosque talks about the people who want to build it as "them," "the ones who attacked us," "the ideology that killed 3,000 of our people" and "those who want to subjugate America." It lumps every Muslim in with the hijackers.
No one has given me a plausible explanation for why an american muslim community center can't be several blocks from the former WTC.
Unless one's premise is that the religion of islam - a religion of one billion people - is offensive, or that we are at war with american muslims. Which is by definition bigoted.
I think there's a lot of people against the mosque who are also misinformed. The wingnutosphere, in a calculated way, spread the impression that the community center is run by radicals and that it's actually built on "ground zero". So there's a mix of bigots, bigot-enablers, and just plain misinformed dumb asses. As for dudes like Harry Reid, he's a cowardly politician, running in a tight race in a relatively conservative state. He's going to do whatever the polls tell him to do. But, the bottom line is that this wouldn't even be a national issue without the calculated efforts of the wingnutosphere and fox news.
The two block-rule is just an arbitrary creation grabbed out of thin air. The fact that the words "hallowed ground" have been repeated ad naseum by the wingnutosphere has made the two-block rule seem significant in the collective national conscience.
It ain't relevant, or important.
Would anybody get upset if vietnamese-americans built a buddist temple two blocks from the hallowed vietnam war memorial? Or if some rightwing oklahoma militia group wanted to hold club meetings several blocks from the former Oklahoma City Fed Center?
No freaking way dude. No one would give a crap. This two block thing is a total phony, and arbitrary creation. Flogged on by bigots. That's a fact, jack
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cawacko
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I don't watch cable news and I don't watch the Daily Show or read Media Matters which seem to follow Fox News a lot. There must be a site that does the same for MSNBC I just don't know what it is. Not to say ignorance is bliss but I don't really care what those people have to say.
So what I read in papers were polls of New Yorkers who we know don't lean heavily Republican and there was strong apprehension to the center/mosque due to 9/11. And understandably (at least in my opinion) for those who were there that day or lost friends it is an emotional event.
But as I stated before I really don't care about this. I care about the economy and trying to get a freaking job. I care about the housing market where I have some money invested. I don't care about this local New York issue until somehow I feel I get painted in as a "wingnut" and "bigot" for not behaving a certain way on this issue.
Yup. Pointing out the fact that both sides have wingnuts who are using this to crowbar emotion into the next election cycles is somehow "bigotry" in the eyes of the wingnut.
The right is certainly driving most of the fear-mongering on this issue, but I have seen widespread prejudice on both sides, from people who have really surprised me. The whole issue has surprised me, actually.
As I said, I have yet to hear one rational argument against the mosque that is not rife with prejudice.
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That is because, like Cypress, you read prejudice into every opposing view. He WANTS to proclaim everyone a bigot who opposes the site and he uses the extremists comments to paint all opponents with one big ass brush.
He likes running around shouting "bigot bigot bigot" because he is a fucking moronic parrot.
Tell us... do you really think 61% of the population are bigots towards Islam?
While I do not have a problem with the Mosque being a couple blocks away, I do think it is extremely intolerant of people like Cypress who want to demean everyone who does not share that view by calling them bigots.
Bottom line.... are there extremists who take a position due to bigotry/fear? Absolutely. But pretending that ALL opponents are bigots is also fear mongering bullshit.
DamnYankee
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And you were just blasting me for using that exact same word...