more proof Hillary is disingenuous about war

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Chapdog

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We all know she voted for Iraq war.. then we hear reports well she didn't know what she was voting for in October 02 just a couple months before the war started.. and with evidence of an American military buildup underway.

She gives us allot of talking like not one more dollar for Iraq.. but then votes for more money.. She gives us a plans for withdrawal if shes elected...

But what you don't know is

9/26/07, Hillary Clinton voted in favor of the Kyl-Lieberman amendment (No. 3017), in support of military actions against Iran
 
I think Obama is the man. his tax policy is fiscally conservative.. aka protecting small business and middle class yet increasing taxes on the rich..

I can honestly say he is the only likley candidate i would vote for from the dem party.. and if a right leaning indi says can this then he will do well.
 
she has said 1,000 she'd get us out
no politician wanting to be reelected would go back on that
the vote (made by many democrats prior to the hindsite we have now) is only meaningfull to moveon morons.
 
"she has said 1,000 she'd get us out"

Oh, that's SO reassuring.

Man, are you gullible.

"The vote" - which you say only moveon cares about - was essentially the same vote that she put in for Iraq. How can you trust someone who makes the same mistake twice?
 
Chapdog said:
Top she just voted yes for IRAN.. none of the other dems running voted yes.
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Chap - To be fair, this vote took place two months ago. Suggesting that "she just voted yes for IRAN" makes it seem like it happened yesterday. It didn't.

Additionally, while there is language in the amendment that suggests the use of military force against Iran, the amendment was not an authorization of the use of force resolution like we had with Iraq. Many people feel that the amendment, a sense of the senate resolution, is essentially meaningless. That's why you had almost 30 democrats voting for it, including the majority leader and majority whip.

I don't agree with the vote and think the amendment was a bad thing, but when we're criticizing Clinton for being "disingenuous" it's best that we not be disingenuous ourselves.
 
Onceler said:
In all seriousness - you're the one who always says she's the "least likely to start a war."

How do you explain for that vote?
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It’s a form of sexism on Top’s part actually, though he will never see it. It’s a strange sort of sexism I admit. It’s a positive stereotypical sexism rather than a negative stereotypical sexism. Instead of claiming as Asshat does, that women are “docile” and stupid and weak whiny and looking to take advantage of any man with a few bucks, Top thinks highly of women. So highly that be cannot believe a woman will start a war and cause the deaths of other women, and their children.

But it’s misguided and Top should read his history. He doesn’t even have to go back to Queen Elizabeth the First, he can just read up on Margaret Thatcher.
 
Darla said:
It’s a form of sexism on Top’s part actually, though he will never see it. It’s a strange sort of sexism I admit. It’s a positive stereotypical sexism rather than a negative stereotypical sexism. Instead of claiming as Asshat does, that women are “docile” and stupid and weak whiny and looking to take advantage of any man with a few bucks, Top thinks highly of women. So highly that be cannot believe a woman will start a war and cause the deaths of other women, and their children.

But it’s misguided and Top should read his history. He doesn’t even have to go back to Queen Elizabeth the First, he can just read up on Margaret Thatcher.
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Yeah - I know exactly what you're saying.

I have to say, my feelings about Hillary have almost nothing at all to do with her being a woman. The only time gender comes in is when I think about the things that I know to be true about her, mainly the political expediency, and think that if anything, she'd probably be more likely to be aggressive with force, just to counter any impression that a woman would be weak w/ foreign policy. It would be a strictly political calculation, and I think a fairly easy one for her....
 
Onceler said:
Yeah - I know exactly what you're saying.

I have to say, my feelings about Hillary have almost nothing at all to do with her being a woman. The only time gender comes in is when I think about the things that I know to be true about her, mainly the political expediency, and think that if anything, she'd probably be more likely to be aggressive with force, just to counter any impression that a woman would be weak w/ foreign policy. It would be a strictly political calculation, and I think a fairly easy one for her....
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This vote on Iran was, in my opinion, one such political calculation. She can vote for the amendment to appear "tough" but she has the cover of saying that the amendment was merely a statement of policy that did not authorize any action.
 
My stance on Hillary and the war was based on females being the smarter gender when it comes to frequency in being involved in violent act.
You morons can use all the gotch little bullshit talking points you want.
If she is not the nominee I'll support who ever it is.
I'm not going to trash her on some lame ass shit like this.
 
"I'm not going to trash her on some lame ass shit like this."

This vote was the same "lame ass shit" that got us into Iraq.

Unreal...
 
NO Bush got us into Iraq
Blaming every Dem is dishones
especially form someone who prob defended other dems saying they authorized yada yada.
She'll get us out
Or whoever the next dem pres is will get us out.
Bashing Hillary who will be the nominee is equivalent to supporting Rudy "bush lite" G.
 
Onceler said:
Yeah - I know exactly what you're saying.

I have to say, my feelings about Hillary have almost nothing at all to do with her being a woman. The only time gender comes in is when I think about the things that I know to be true about her, mainly the political expediency, and think that if anything, she'd probably be more likely to be aggressive with force, just to counter any impression that a woman would be weak w/ foreign policy. It would be a strictly political calculation, and I think a fairly easy one for her....
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I agree.
 
I think she's doing that in posturing now.
She would not as Bill did not while in office.
I think most dem front runners would get out of Iraq quick and wouldn't start any war.
 
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