More Nuke Power Follies

Jeezus, you nuke power toadies do love to repeat your lies......let's put this nonsense to rest once and for all


Coal ash is NOT more radioactive than nuclear waste
http://www.cejournal.net/?p=410


[I]But how do we get from the relatively small excess risk detailed in the story to coal ash being 100 ties deadlier than radioactive waste? — which would kill you in a matter of minutes if you stood next to it unshielded. How could it possibly be that the material responsible for the Chernobyl cataclysm, and which killed workers there, is actually less dangerous than the coal fly ash that unprotected workers are now scooping up with heavy machinery in Tennessee? (I haven’t seen any of them keel over and die yet from acute exposure to radioactivity.)

Well, it can’t be. It is a patently absurd assertion. I pressed Oransky about this, and he responded not by changing the headline and issuing a correction but by changing the wording of the story (which was needed) and tacking on an editor’s note at the end. Here’s how the note concludes: “As a general clarification, ounce for ounce, coal ash released from a power plant delivers more radiation than nuclear waste shielded via water or dry cask storage.”

I hesitate to say this, because I respect Scientific American and Oransky, but those are what one of my editors years ago liked to call “weasel words.”

It doesn’t take a grammarian to parse what’s going on here. Oransky is admitting that despite what the headline says, fly ash most definitely is not more radioactive than nuclear waste. Instead, I think he is saying that if you stood next to a pile of fly ash you’d probably get a bigger radiation dose than if you stood next to radioactive waste that is adequately shielded.[/
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I wonder if you read any of the comments about that article, probably not so here is just one. He points out that nuclear waste is not waste at all, in the usual sense and is very valuable. When thorium reactors become commercially available, this "waste" could easily be used as a fuel.

Tim Bond
Posted March 22, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink
This is just patently DUMB. Who cares whether spent nuclear fuel is more radioactive. What matters is what is expelled into the environment. You have to put yourself in a position to defend the likes of thorium spewing coal fired power plants to make this point, and all for what? Do you understand that for over 50 years we have been generating so-called “nuclear waste” and where are all the problems? The anti-nuclear lobbyists have worked to prevent it from being stored in a central depository, so the spent fuel remains on site in dry casks when they run out of room in the pools, and STILL no problems. You call it “waste” but none of you even account for the fact that over 92% of the energy originally found in it, remains to be used. So, if your own garbage had that much value, would you throw it out? The reality is that because of stringent NRC and EPA standards it’s far safer for someone to live near a nuclear power plant than to stand next to the granite statue in the U.S. Capital building, and far more safe than breathing the dirty fly ash which contains thorium and sulfur dioxide and all sorts of other nasties. Before people even begin to discuss the issue of what they call “nuclear waste” they ought to take some time to learn what exactly the material IS, they are prognosticating about.
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Why are you running away from the FACT that you couldn't get past me regarding this trititum contamination in Vermont issue, as the chronology of the posts shows? If you want to start a post on coal processing pollution and the YEARS of activism to mandate better filtration systems, be my guest. In the meantime, grow a pair and deal with the subject at hand.....or bluff and bluster like you usually do. Because like Tommy, you talk a good game, but wouldn't DARE live directly in the environment that you would have others do.


Give it a fuckin' rest already, pinhead....I think this dog and pony show have run its course and then some.....you've been pwned so many times in this thread its a mercy killing to have you finally give it up.....

There must be some other topic you fancy yourself knowledgeable in.........you sure fucked up this one.....quantity rather then quality ain't gonna cut it.....

Folks, this thread has revealed what a complete drunken fool Bravo is......and because I logically and factually demonstrated faux Bravo stupidity at every turn, he's become obsessed with just following me around and spewing the nonsense we see here above and with his exchange with Aox. The chronology of the posts here give out facts that dumb parrots like Bravo just can't and won't deal with, which results in his mental deterioration here. Once I've exposed idiots like Bravo to the level I see here, there's little use in entertaining their predictable moronic retorts, rants and SOS. So Bravo can now entertain his fellow aged bar fly's with tales of imagined "victory" over another "clarabell pinhead"....so much more to pity the fool as the neocon GOP uses his dumb ass like a doormat. ~The End~
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Jeezus, you nuke power toadies do love to repeat your lies......let's put this nonsense to rest once and for all


Coal ash is NOT more radioactive than nuclear waste
http://www.cejournal.net/?p=410


But how do we get from the relatively small excess risk detailed in the story to coal ash being 100 ties deadlier than radioactive waste? — which would kill you in a matter of minutes if you stood next to it unshielded. How could it possibly be that the material responsible for the Chernobyl cataclysm, and which killed workers there, is actually less dangerous than the coal fly ash that unprotected workers are now scooping up with heavy machinery in Tennessee? (I haven’t seen any of them keel over and die yet from acute exposure to radioactivity.)

Well, it can’t be. It is a patently absurd assertion. I pressed Oransky about this, and he responded not by changing the headline and issuing a correction but by changing the wording of the story (which was needed) and tacking on an editor’s note at the end. Here’s how the note concludes: “As a general clarification, ounce for ounce, coal ash released from a power plant delivers more radiation than nuclear waste shielded via water or dry cask storage.”

I hesitate to say this, because I respect Scientific American and Oransky, but those are what one of my editors years ago liked to call “weasel words.”

It doesn’t take a grammarian to parse what’s going on here. Oransky is admitting that despite what the headline says, fly ash most definitely is not more radioactive than nuclear waste. Instead, I think he is saying that if you stood next to a pile of fly ash you’d probably get a bigger radiation dose than if you stood next to radioactive waste that is adequately shielded.


I'm sorry but just about all your posts on this subject are condescending so to accuse me of the same is bit rich, to say the least. Oh and by the way, posting a reply in orange is not a good idea as it is very hard to read. I see that you have chosen to ignore the huge numbers of deaths due to mining accidents and respiratory complaints caused by coal burning in China and India.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=can-coal-and-clean-air-coexist-china

http://brentfoster.photoshelter.com...-Coal-Fires-in-Jharia-India/G0000HTSguiqtaf0/

Newsflash Tommy...the chronology of the posts shows who indeed threw the first stone. Like I told you years ago, I'm civil so long as people don't start pulling the condescending crap...which is your forte. YOU automatically treat anyone who presents FACT based and LOGICAL criticism that put the nuke power industry in a bad light as ignorant dupes or mis-guided idealogues. The chronology of the posts on this thread has presented evidence regarding Vermont that to date YOU HAVE NOT AND CANNOT DISPROVE, REFUTE OR DIMINISH. So instead, you throw in everything ELSE in some lame ass attempt to do the latter mentioned by what, association?

Naa-unnh son, that dog won't fly. Like I told you before, you want to start a thread about the coal industry and pollution, go for it, I'm with you on that. But just spare us all this tired ass re-tread of trying to dodge the FACTS regarding the Vermont nuke plant and tritium contamination of the ground water that's approaching the river. As the article I provided above shows, the MISLEADING bullshit about fly ash being more radioactive and harmful than nuke power plants is just that....misleading bullshit that you embrace all so well. Spamming with articles about countries with historic lower environmental/mining safety standards and equal (if not higher) levels of corruption regarding environmental protection laws on the COAL industry is NOT about tritium poisoning in Vermont.

So unless you've got a new step to this dance, Thomas, I'd say we're done on this issue.
 
OH NO....please.....not the dreaded 'chronology of the posts'....not that....please...not again and again and again and again and again and again and again.:palm:
 
I wonder if you read any of the comments about that article, probably not so here is just one. He points out that nuclear waste is not waste at all, in the usual sense and is very valuable. When thorium reactors become commercially available, this "waste" could easily be used as a fuel.

Tim Bond
Posted March 22, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink
This is just patently DUMB. Who cares whether spent nuclear fuel is more radioactive. What matters is what is expelled into the environment. You have to put yourself in a position to defend the likes of thorium spewing coal fired power plants to make this point, and all for what? Do you understand that for over 50 years we have been generating so-called “nuclear waste” and where are all the problems? The anti-nuclear lobbyists have worked to prevent it from being stored in a central depository, so the spent fuel remains on site in dry casks when they run out of room in the pools, and STILL no problems. You call it “waste” but none of you even account for the fact that over 92% of the energy originally found in it, remains to be used. So, if your own garbage had that much value, would you throw it out? The reality is that because of stringent NRC and EPA standards it’s far safer for someone to live near a nuclear power plant than to stand next to the granite statue in the U.S. Capital building, and far more safe than breathing the dirty fly ash which contains thorium and sulfur dioxide and all sorts of other nasties. Before people even begin to discuss the issue of what they call “nuclear waste” they ought to take some time to learn what exactly the material IS, they are prognosticating about.

We did this dance, Tommy....same old shit by the people who currently lie, mislead and BS about the problems with their current systems are promising new and improved methods fresh off the drawing boards. Just let us get it up and running and we'll work out the kinks as we go.:palm: You should do a little honest research as to how Molten Metal Technology came up with a decontamination process in 1993, and how/why development was killed.

Tommy, you may have the last predictable word, because I quite frankly I'm tired of going around in circles with you.
 
Newsflash Tommy...the chronology of the posts shows who indeed threw the first stone. Like I told you years ago, I'm civil so long as people don't start pulling the condescending crap...which is your forte. YOU automatically treat anyone who presents FACT based and LOGICAL criticism that put the nuke power industry in a bad light as ignorant dupes or mis-guided idealogues. The chronology of the posts on this thread has presented evidence regarding Vermont that to date YOU HAVE NOT AND CANNOT DISPROVE, REFUTE OR DIMINISH. So instead, you throw in everything ELSE in some lame ass attempt to do the latter mentioned by what, association?

Naa-unnh son, that dog won't fly. Like I told you before, you want to start a thread about the coal industry and pollution, go for it, I'm with you on that. But just spare us all this tired ass re-tread of trying to dodge the FACTS regarding the Vermont nuke plant and tritium contamination of the ground water that's approaching the river. As the article I provided above shows, the MISLEADING bullshit about fly ash being more radioactive and harmful than nuke power plants is just that....misleading bullshit that you embrace all so well. Spamming with articles about countries with historic lower environmental/mining safety standards and equal (if not higher) levels of corruption regarding environmental protection laws on the COAL industry is NOT about tritium poisoning in Vermont.

So unless you've got a new step to this dance, Thomas, I'd say we're done on this issue.

I have asked you several times to provide evidence that drinking water has been contaminated by tritium, you haven't been able to provide any. I have also asked you what do the people of Vermont use to drink, wash and bathe in? By the way, it is not condescending crap to instill a little science and rationality into the debate. For too long the issues have been hijacked by people who have very little sense of proportion and are diametrically opposed to nuclear power in any way shape or form. It is like dealing with a religious movement, their beliefs are implacable and set in tablets of stone.
 
I have asked you several times to provide evidence that drinking water has been contaminated by tritium, you haven't been able to provide any. I have also asked you what do the people of Vermont use to drink, wash and bathe in?

You're a liar Tommy....the chronology of the post clearly shows my response to your misleading questions...as the original article clearly states that the level of groundwater contamination is increasing and that the contamination is nearing the local river....BOTH are growing threats to the water supplies and eco-system....something the alleged catch basin system and pumps were supposed to prevent. I destest liars and BS artist....I'd have thought better of you, but then again you are a nuke power plant toadie, so lying is second nature to you. And to date, YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER YOU ARE WILLING TO CONSUME THE WATER FROM VERMONT WITH THE ELEVATED LEVELS OF TRITIUM THAT YOU CONSIDER INCONSEQUENTIAL, OR SAMPLE SOME FISH FROM FUKISHIMA SHORELINE THAT YOU SWORE WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED BY THE RADIOACTIVE IODINE WASTE WATER DUMP. PUT OR SHUT UP.
By the way, it is not condescending crap to instill a little science and rationality into the debate. Suggesting that the link I provided from the Vermont gov't agency is not scientific? Then why don't you call up the Vermont and tell them that....because I didn't create those stats. See Thomas, you're not that clever because the very structure of your sentences carry implications that are essentially condescending to anyone who disagrees with you on this subject matter. Bottom line: YOU cannot fault or disprove or dismiss or diminish the information and it's ramifications of the link I provided in the opening post of this thread DESPITE all your attempted detours and dodge. For too long the issues have been hijacked by people who have very little sense of proportion and are diametrically opposed to nuclear power in any way shape or form. It is like dealing with a religious movement, their beliefs are implacable and set in tablets of stone.

What would be funny if it weren't so obviously pathetic is how YOU think that your tactics are NOT condescending in nature. As I've demonstrated time and again on this thread, YOU cannot BS around the facts regarding Vermont...so you try to create arguments that stray away from the facts in the articles I presented, and then you lie about what's transpired. But the chronology of the posts will always be your undoing. I only responed here because I detest when people lie about what has happened, so I called you out. Bottom line: your last paragraph is a serious projection of your own mindset, Tommy.

I'm done on this carousel of yours, Thomas.
 
What would be funny if it weren't so obviously pathetic is how YOU think that your tactics are NOT condescending in nature. As I've demonstrated time and again on this thread, YOU cannot BS around the facts regarding Vermont...so you try to create arguments that stray away from the facts in the articles I presented, and then you lie about what's transpired. But the chronology of the posts will always be your undoing. I only responed here because I detest when people lie about what has happened, so I called you out. Bottom line: your last paragraph is a serious projection of your own mindset, Tommy.

I'm done on this carousel of yours, Thomas.

I wouldn't have any problem drinking Vermont water, indeed Vermont has the highest rate of nuclear-generated power in the nation at 73.7 percent. As a result, it is one of only two states with no coal-fired power plants which are a far higher risk. As for I-131, I have pointed out several times that its half life is eight days, so after a month it is rendered inert from a radiological perspective. Do you have any idea how diluted that water became after emptying in the Pacific Ocean especially after a typhoon? It's so dilute that you could sell it as a homeopathic medicine. I wonder if you realise that I-131 occurs naturally in sea water and seaweed.
 
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I wouldn't have any problem drinking Vermont water, indeed Vermont has the highest rate of nuclear-generated power in the nation at 73.7 percent. As a result, it is one of only two states with no coal-fired power plants which are a far higher risk. As for I-131, I have pointed out several times that its half life is eight days, so after a month it is rendered inert from a radiological perspective. Do you have any idea how diluted that water became after emptying in the Pacific Ocean especially after a typhoon? It's so dilute that you could sell it as a homeopathic medicine. I wonder if you realise that I-131 occurs naturally in sea water and seaweed.

See folks, Thomas tries to dodge the FACTS regarding the contamination danger in Vermont. Thomas dodges the issue by stating he would have no problem drinking the UNCONTAMINATED WATER (a moot point), but says NOTHING about drinking the tritium contaiminated water, that he SWEARS is so safe due to it's short half life. THAT is the issue regarding the Vermont river and acquifers.

Regarding Fukishima, Thomas OMITS the FACT that the contaminated water being dumped into the nearby ocean waters was NOT (or is not, as the case may be) a one day occurence, and that the food chain in the sea life does not wait for half life depletion of radioactivity. THAT builds up in the food chain, and subsequently into the sea food. It was (is) also an ARTIFICIAL INCREASE in the already present levels. Again, if Thomas is foolishly stubborn enough to part take in seafood culled from those shore lines in the months and year from the last days of flushing from the damaged reactors, that's his problem....I just don't see forcing everyone else to take his gamble as well in defending the glory of nuclear power Now let'
s watch Thomas repeat the same old dodgy BS that he has throughout the thread..
 
See folks, Thomas tries to dodge the FACTS regarding the contamination danger in Vermont. Thomas dodges the issue by stating he would have no problem drinking the UNCONTAMINATED WATER (a moot point), but says NOTHING about drinking the tritium contaiminated water, that he SWEARS is so safe due to it's short half life. THAT is the issue regarding the Vermont river and acquifers.

Regarding Fukishima, Thomas OMITS the FACT that the contaminated water being dumped into the nearby ocean waters was NOT (or is not, as the case may be) a one day occurence, and that the food chain in the sea life does not wait for half life depletion of radioactivity. THAT builds up in the food chain, and subsequently into the sea food. It was (is) also an ARTIFICIAL INCREASE in the already present levels. Again, if Thomas is foolishly stubborn enough to part take in seafood culled from those shore lines in the months and year from the last days of flushing from the damaged reactors, that's his problem....I just don't see forcing everyone else to take his gamble as well in defending the glory of nuclear power Now let'
s watch Thomas repeat the same old dodgy BS that he has throughout the thread..

I have come to realise that people like you have little interest in rational discussion on nuclear matters, however I shall try and see if Popular Mechanics can help you move from your polemic driven agenda to a more rational discussion. As regards Vermont I never said that I wanted to drink tritiated water and I never said anything about tritium's half life, which is 12.32 years by the way. When I referred to half life I was talking about I 131 which has a half life of eight days. I also asked you on several occasions to show me where drinking water supplies have been contaminated but you just keep harping on about water found in boreholes.

Myth No. 1


Nuclear Power Isn't a Safe Solution

In a recent national poll, 72 percent of respondents expressed concern about potential accidents at nuclear power plants. Some opinion-makers have encouraged this trepidation: Steven Cohen, executive director of Columbia University's Earth Institute, has called nuclear power "dangerous, complicated and politically controversial."

During the first six decades of the nuclear age, however, fewer than 100 people have died as a result of nuclear power plant accidents. And comparing modern nuclear plants to Chernobyl—the Ukrainian reactor that directly caused 56 deaths after a 1986 meltdown—is like comparing World War I fighter planes to the F/A-18. Newer nuclear plants, including the fast reactor now being developed at Idaho National Laboratory (INL), contain multiple auto-shutoff mechanisms that reduce the odds of a meltdown exponentially—even in a worst-case scenario, like an industrial accident or a terrorist attack. And some also have the ability to burn spent fuel rods, a convenient way to reuse nuclear waste instead of burying it for thousands of years.

Power sources such as coal and petroleum might seem safer than nuclear, but statistically they're a lot deadlier. Coal mining kills several hundred people annually—mainly from heart damage and black lung disease, but also through devastating accidents like the April mine explosion in West Virginia. The sublethal effects of coal-power generation are also greater. "The amount of radiation put out by a coal plant far exceeds that of a nuclear power plant, even if you use scrubbers," says Gerald E. Marsh, a retired nuclear physicist who worked at Argonne National Laboratory. Particulate pollution from coal plants causes nearly 24,000 people a year to die prematurely from diseases such as lung cancer. Petroleum production also has safety and environmental risks, as demonstrated by the recent oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

INL nuclear lab's deputy associate director, Kathryn McCarthy, thinks the industry can overcome its stigma. "It's been a long time since Chernobyl and Three Mile Island," McCarthy says, "and people are willing to reconsider the benefits of nuclear energy." Nuclear plants emit only a tiny fraction of the carbon dioxide that coal plants do, and a few hundred nuclear facilities could potentially supply nearly all the energy the United States needs, reducing our dependence on fossil fuels.
 
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I have come to realise that people like you have little interest in rational discussion on nuclear matters,

Sorry Tommy, but the chronology of the posts shows that this oft repeated lame assed retort of yours doesn't cut it, as YOU consistently avoid/ignore/deny/dodge FACTS that contradict your nuke power industry toadying.


however I shall try and see if Popular Mechanics can help you move from your polemic driven agenda to a more rational discussion. Another article from a nuke power industry friendly mindset/organization that just repeats the SOS previously addressed by me in earlier posts/responses. You're floundering, Tommy boy. Pathetic. As regards Vermont I never said that I wanted to drink tritiated water and I never said anything about tritium's half life, which is 12.32 years by the way.


When I referred to half life I was talking about I 131 which has a half life of eight days. I also asked you on several occasions to show me where drinking water supplies have been contaminated but you just keep harping on about water found in boreholes.


You're a liar, Tommy. The chronology of the posts makes you one, as you referred to past exchanges between us to exactly that assertion regarding half life. And as I previously stated, YOU made a big deal about how really uneventful the tritium contamination in either event was...I merely provided information (FACT BASED BY OFFICIAL local gov't and valid national sources) that contradict that premise of yours. And as to your dodgy BS about drinking the water, the chronology of the posts shows the question I asked, the context of which it was asked, and your subsequent cowardly BS response. You can deny any and everything Tommy, but the chronology of the posts will always be your undoing....as I indeed DID answer your "question" (more rapidly than you did mine, by the way)...and in doing so showed how intellectually dishonest you were again...as I ALWAYS pointed to the THREAT of drinking water in Vermont (their words, not mine), and NEVER stated that the drinking was thoroughly contaminated. If you can copy &* paste me stating otherwise, please do. If not, stop acting stupid, grow up and deal with being wrong.

Myth No. 1


Nuclear Power Isn't a Safe Solution

In a recent national poll, 72 percent of respondents expressed concern about potential accidents at nuclear power plants. Some opinion-makers have encouraged this trepidation: Steven Cohen, executive director of Columbia University's Earth Institute, has called nuclear power "dangerous, complicated and politically controversial."

During the first six decades of the nuclear age, however, fewer than 100 people have died as a result of nuclear power plant accidents. And comparing modern nuclear plants to Chernobyl—the Ukrainian reactor that directly caused 56 deaths after a 1986 meltdown—is like comparing World War I fighter planes to the F/A-18. Newer nuclear plants, including the fast reactor now being developed at Idaho National Laboratory (INL), contain multiple auto-shutoff mechanisms that reduce the odds of a meltdown exponentially—even in a worst-case scenario, like an industrial accident or a terrorist attack. And some also have the ability to burn spent fuel rods, a convenient way to reuse nuclear waste instead of burying it for thousands of years.

Power sources such as coal and petroleum might seem safer than nuclear, but statistically they're a lot deadlier. Coal mining kills several hundred people annually—mainly from heart damage and black lung disease, but also through devastating accidents like the April mine explosion in West Virginia. The sublethal effects of coal-power generation are also greater. "The amount of radiation put out by a coal plant far exceeds that of a nuclear power plant, even if you use scrubbers," says Gerald E. Marsh, a retired nuclear physicist who worked at Argonne National Laboratory. Particulate pollution from coal plants causes nearly 24,000 people a year to die prematurely from diseases such as lung cancer. Petroleum production also has safety and environmental risks, as demonstrated by the recent oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

INL nuclear lab's deputy associate director, Kathryn McCarthy, thinks the industry can overcome its stigma. "It's been a long time since Chernobyl and Three Mile Island," McCarthy says, "and people are willing to reconsider the benefits of nuclear energy." Nuclear plants emit only a tiny fraction of the carbon dioxide that coal plants do, and a few hundred nuclear facilities could potentially supply nearly all the energy the United States needs, reducing our dependence on fossil fuels.


Translation: Tommy can't lie or BS his way pass the FACTS that he was wrong regarding Vermont, and therefore is going to rehash EVERY freaking nuke power excuse/justification on the books. Been there, done that. Grow up and deal, Tommy.
 
Oh, and by the by....Here's a little appropo tidbit that I found on Page 14 of the Murdoch owned New York Post on November 26, 2011:

Tokyo - A river in Fukushima prefecture, the location of Japan's worst-ever nuclear accident, is discharging large amounts of radioactive cesium into the sea.

The Abukumagawa River was releasing up to 52.4 billion becquerels of cesium a day, scientists say. NewsCore
 
Oh, and by the by....Here's a little appropo tidbit that I found on Page 14 of the Murdoch owned New York Post on November 26, 2011:

Tokyo - A river in Fukushima prefecture, the location of Japan's worst-ever nuclear accident, is discharging large amounts of radioactive cesium into the sea.

The Abukumagawa River was releasing up to 52.4 billion becquerels of cesium a day, scientists say. NewsCore


The nuclear explosion in Hiroshima is estimated to have produced 8×10[SUP]24[/SUP] Bq (8 YBq, 8 yottabecquerel), that is nearly a million billion times more than the amounts you are quoting, just wanted to get a sense of perspective here. You also need to be reminded that Fukushima was hit by a 9.0 earthquake and a 10 metre high tsunami, the last time that happened was over 1000 years ago. You happily drive and walk the streets of New York I presume, the chances of you dying or being injured are millions of times more than you suffering injury from a nuclear accident.
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Oh, and by the by....Here's a little appropo tidbit that I found on Page 14 of the Murdoch owned New York Post on November 26, 2011:

Tokyo - A river in Fukushima prefecture, the location of Japan's worst-ever nuclear accident, is discharging large amounts of radioactive cesium into the sea.

The Abukumagawa River was releasing up to 52.4 billion becquerels of cesium a day, scientists say. NewsCore



The nuclear explosion in Hiroshima is estimated to have produced 8×10[SUP]24[/SUP] Bq (8 YBq, 8 yottabecquerel), that is nearly a million billion times more than the amounts you are quoting, just wanted to get a sense of perspective here. You also need to be reminded that Fukushima was hit by a 9.0 earthquake and a 10 metre high tsunami, the last time that happened was over 1000 years ago. You happily drive and walk the streets of New York I presume, the chances of you dying or being injured are millions of times more than you suffering injury from a nuclear accident.


And here is a PRIME example of just how far nuke power toadies like Tommy will bend over backwards to excuse and diminish any negative facts regarding nuke power plants. Only a complete idiot would try to peddle to the public that 52.4 billion becquerels of cesium a day into a river is no big deal to the environment/eco-system because it's NOT an atomic bomb fallout and earthquakes! This is why I keep putting it to shameless suck-ups like Tommy....if all these levels of tritium and cessium is so negligible, then he and his family should have NO problem living in that environment and drinking/eating the food & water at those contamination levels. As I previously stated, the lame ass defense for jokers like Tommy is that so long as there is no immediate deaths and destruction, nuke power contamination is no big deal...but since radiation poisoning can take anywhere from months to years to show up in various forms (genetic mutations, birth defects, cancers, etc.), the nuke power industry will stall and bluff, claiming "natural causes" and "coincidences".

But we all know that they are just full of it, don't we? Tommy will play word games, lie and deny, but the chronolgy of the posts will always be his undoing. Check posts #9, 10, 55, 66, 72, 81, 133, 136, 138, 145, 147 to see what I mean.

And the beat goes on. Thomas will just keep regurgitatiting the SOS as he has done throughout this thread. I'll leave him to it.
 
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million billion times more????

Let me know when it gets to just 1 million times more.....then I'm gonna worry.....:lol:



It is odd that pinheads just don't have a sense of perspective.....narrow mind = narrow vision.
 
And here is a PRIME example of just how far nuke power toadies like Tommy will bend over backwards to excuse and diminish any negative facts regarding nuke power plants. Only a complete idiot would try to peddle to the public that 52.4 billion becquerels of cesium a day into a river is no big deal to the environment/eco-system because it's NOT an atomic bomb fallout and earthquakes! This is why I keep putting it to shameless suck-ups like Tommy....if all these levels of tritium and cessium is so negligible, then he and his family should have NO problem living in that environment and drinking/eating the food & water at those contamination levels. As I previously stated, the lame ass defense for jokers like Tommy is that so long as there is no immediate deaths and destruction, nuke power contamination is no big deal...but since radiation poisoning can take anywhere from months to years to show up in various forms (genetic mutations, birth defects, cancers, etc.), the nuke power industry will stall and bluff, claiming "natural causes" and "coincidences".

But we all know that they are just full of it, don't we? Tommy will play word games, lie and deny, but the chronolgy of the posts will always be his undoing. Check posts #9, 10, 55, 66, 72, 81, 133, 136, 138, 145, 147 to see what I mean.

And the beat goes on. Thomas will just keep regurgitatiting the SOS as he has done throughout this thread. I'll leave him to it.

Oh no, not the dreaded chronology of the posts. I don't think there is anymore to be said, you have an implacable viewpoint on this issue and are seemingly incapable of viewing risks objectively. I suggest that we agree to disagree and move on.
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And here is a PRIME example of just how far nuke power toadies like Tommy will bend over backwards to excuse and diminish any negative facts regarding nuke power plants. Only a complete idiot would try to peddle to the public that 52.4 billion becquerels of cesium a day into a river is no big deal to the environment/eco-system because it's NOT an atomic bomb fallout and earthquakes! This is why I keep putting it to shameless suck-ups like Tommy....if all these levels of tritium and cessium is so negligible, then he and his family should have NO problem living in that environment and drinking/eating the food & water at those contamination levels. As I previously stated, the lame ass defense for jokers like Tommy is that so long as there is no immediate deaths and destruction, nuke power contamination is no big deal...but since radiation poisoning can take anywhere from months to years to show up in various forms (genetic mutations, birth defects, cancers, etc.), the nuke power industry will stall and bluff, claiming "natural causes" and "coincidences".

But we all know that they are just full of it, don't we? Tommy will play word games, lie and deny, but the chronolgy of the posts will always be his undoing. Check posts #9, 10, 55, 66, 72, 81, 133, 136, 138, 145, 147 to see what I mean.

And the beat goes on. Thomas will just keep regurgitatiting the SOS as he has done throughout this thread. I'll leave him to it.

Oh no, not the dreaded chronology of the posts. Oh yes, because despite all your bullshit, Thomas, the proof is there for all to see, and that does not bode well for you. I don't think there is anymore to be said, When it comes to nuke power Thomas, YOU DON'T THINK. There lies the problem you have an implacable viewpoint translation: I have FACTS that disprove Thomas contentions and assertions, and he doesn't like it. on this issue and are seemingly incapable of viewing risks objectively. Like I said earlier Tommy, if YOU and your family want to live with the risks of contamination as previously discussed, that's your problem. I just don't see why everyone else should be forced to join your religion. I suggest that we agree to disagree and move on.
I suggest you learn to stop lying about how things transpired, as the chronology of the post will always be your undoing. Indeed, since I detest liars, I will move on. You may have the last predictable word.
 
TEPCO said Monday it believed about 300 litres of waste water have escaped and run into a nearby gutter that leads to the ocean before crews could contain the leaks. The water leaked to the sea is believed to contain 26 billion becquerels of radioactive materials, The company said, however, human health should not be affected even after eating sea food caught in the area for every day for one year.




http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/269544/fukushima-radioactive-water-leaked-into-pacific
 
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