More examples of Republican nannyism and interfearing w/ freedom...

Jarod said:
I understand, but the more liberal position is clearly to allow it, the more conservative position is to prohibit it.

The vast majority are for prohibiting it, (agreed) but it was a liberal v. conservative position between Dukakis and Bush Sr. and the more liberal position is to allow it.
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Your "analysis" is flawed, protecting traditions and rights is a conservative value. People who want to change that are radicals, not conservatives or even liberals. And again, most Americans are for allowing people to burn flags even if they think it is "wrong" to do so. Most Americans believe in the first Amendment. And every "conservative" (person in the R party) that I know of would say, "I joined the military to protect your right to be stupid like that!"
 
IN 2000 the Conservative Party did a bit better preventing an Amendment to ban flag burning....

One of them voted against it! ALL The rest of the MORE CONSERVATIVE PARTY voted to BAN FLAG BURNING.
 
THey did even better in 1995...

Three "Conservatives" voted to keep it legal!
 
I want to talk about what party voted overwhelmingly to limit freedom and what party keept freedom of speach free!!
 
Damocles said:
Your "analysis" is flawed, protecting traditions and rights is a conservative value. People who want to change that are radicals, not conservatives or even liberals. And again, most Americans are for allowing people to burn flags even if they think it is "wrong" to do so. Most Americans believe in the first Amendment. And every "conservative" (person in the R party) that I know of would say, "I joined the military to protect your right to be stupid like that!"
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http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00189


So why did the Conservatives vote overwhelmingly to limit that freedom?
 
Jarod said:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00189


So why did the Conservatives vote overwhelmingly to limit that freedom?
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I know, the only reason they could get that many to vote for it, is because they know that the 2/3 won't be met and are trying to coddle the radical religious freaks who want to ban something.

You take a political ploy and pretend it means that people actually support something. Everybody else understands it is a political ploy. Do I like them to do that? No. Am I afraid that it will suddenly pass? Hayul no.
 
Damocles said:
I know, the only reason they could get that many to vote for it, is because they know that the 2/3 won't be met and are trying to coddle the radical religious freaks who want to ban something.

You take a political ploy and pretend it means that people actually support something. Everybody else understands it is a political ploy. Do I like them to do that? No. Am I afraid that it will suddenly pass? Hayul no.
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Vote how you feel, not to coddle the radical religous freaks...

The Conservatives had constitutants who they had to coddle so they voted to restrict freedom... Those constitutants are SUPRISE SUPRISE CONSERVATIVES!
 
So R's you know of would say they support your right to burn a flag... yet voted to ban burning a flag???!?
 
Damocles said:
I know, the only reason they could get that many to vote for it, is because they know that the 2/3 won't be met and are trying to coddle the radical religious freaks who want to ban something.

You take a political ploy and pretend it means that people actually support something. Everybody else understands it is a political ploy. Do I like them to do that? No. Am I afraid that it will suddenly pass? Hayul no.
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Jarod is right about this.

I don't get this compulsion some conservative message board posters have in claiming the the majority of the republican base isn't in favor of flag burning, or that they are not oppossed to gay marriage. Why make claims that every knows isn't true, and doesn't stand up to 5 seconds of scrutiny?

The GOP didn't try to outlaw flag burning to appease a small minority of religious freaks.

They did it because the majority of their base supports that, and because its a wedge issue to hammer the democrats alleged lack of patriotism.

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Social conservatives and highly religious people are the majority of the GOP base at the national scale. Just like I'll admit, the liberal wing, unions, minorities, and women dominate the Democratic base.

These aren't exactly well disguised facts, and everyone know the GOP base is, in large measure, conservative on social issues like Terry Schiavo, Flag Burning, and Gay Marriage. What's the deal with trying to assert that conservatives in large measure are just as liberal and enlightened as liberals are on these social issues? It just ain't true
 
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Yurt said:
just as i said....the dems and repubs are not too far off on not wanting the flag burned or desecrated
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"Not far off". Look if it's embarrassing to be associated with a party who's base is very socially conservative, very religious, and very white, why not just say so?

Are there a lot of Dems who are opposed to gay marriage, and voted to ban flag burning? yeah, but there are far less of them than republicans, and they don't actively try to introduce legislation to ban flag burning, and they don't actively work against gay marriage in any significant way. And for the most part, liberals, and progressive democrats and their base have been at the forefront on progressive issues. Wingnuts were pretty much nowhere to be found

Is there a reason that conservative message board posters try to insist the GOP and movement conservatism is equally as enlightened and liberal, as liberals are? I'll take that as a compliment that some message board conservatives want to create an impression that the Con base is as progressive as liberals are.
 
Cypress said:
"Not far off". Look if it's embarrassing to be associated with a party who's base is very socially conservative, very religious, and very white, why not just say so?

Are there a lot of Dems who are opposed to gay marriage, and voted to ban flag burning? yeah, but there are far less of them than republicans, and they don't actively try to introduce legislation to ban flag burning, and they don't actively work against gay marriage in any significant way. And for the most part, liberals, and progressive democrats and their base have been at the forefront on progressive issues. Wingnuts were pretty much nowhere to be found

Is there a reason that conservative message board posters try to insist the GOP and movement conservatism is equally as enlightened and liberal, as liberals are? I'll take that as a compliment that some message board conservatives want to create an impression that the Con base is as progressive as liberals are.
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i'm not embarrassed at all. people have a right to believe what they want. you can't deny what i said, both parties supported the amendment to ban burning the flag. sure, a few more of repubs did, but that doesn't take away the 49% of dems who did support it. you act as if your 49% doesn't exist.

appears you're the one embarrassed by your own party. its the height of stupid partisan politics to claim all conservatives are about zero change and liberals are all about constant change. people like you do not add any value to political discussions. conservatism is not simply about no change, just as liberalism isn't simply about just change.

wake up, take off the partisan hack goggles and join the rest of the sane world.
 
Yurt said:
i'm not embarrassed at all. people have a right to believe what they want. you can't deny what i said, both parties supported the amendment to ban burning the flag. sure, a few more of repubs did, but that doesn't take away the 49% of dems who did support it. you act as if your 49% doesn't exist.

appears you're the one embarrassed by your own party. its the height of stupid partisan politics to claim all conservatives are about zero change and liberals are all about constant change. people like you do not add any value to political discussions. conservatism is not simply about no change, just as liberalism isn't simply about just change.

wake up, take off the partisan hack goggles and join the rest of the sane world.
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Not even close to 49% of congressional democrats supported this opressive and anti-American amendment.
 
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