More California insanity

[Into the Night]

No, their economy sucks. It would be far, far, better if it weren't burdened by regulation and taxes. As one example of this, look at the rebuilding process from those recent LA fires.

Six Months After the L.A. Wildfires, Here’s Who’s Still Picking Up the Pieces

Local charities are continuing to help displaced Angelenos rebuild their lives following January’s fires in the Pacific Palisades and Altadena — even as the rest of the world seems to have moved on.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Los Angeles is rebuilding very slowly from its devastating wildfires. Here's why.

Relaxing environmental rules is only one small step in a fraught process.

www.motherjones.com

For example, if you are in the Palisades area that got hit by the fire, you have to get the California Coastal Commission to review and approve your building plan before you can go to the local city or county government to apply for a building permit. Worse, across the whole of this disaster, permitting costs along with engineering and blueprints will set you back anywhere from $50,000 to a million to get to construction. That's before a single shovel full of dirt is moved.

Even with claimed streamlining by government, the permit process can take upwards of a year or more to complete particularly with the CCC involved.

It's already like

Before you can get your permit to rebuild, you have to waste a lot of money in court to get the homeless off your land.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you mentally retarded?

Yes. He's just another rendition of Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Have to?

Revolt is an option.

Best of luck.

 

[Into the Night]

So, I guess the people who live in California should change residence from that state and move to Mississippi, Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee...states that are so much better run and so much higher in so many ways.

They already are, Rossie.

That'll be the day!

It's already happening, Rossie.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Do yourself a favor by looking at the facts and charts of T.A. Gardner's #42 post that clearly shows the red states
surpass the blue states in all the business related fiscal solvency charts.

Open your eyes, Asshole.

If you think that the people of Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas have things better than New York, Massachusetts or California...you should fire your shrink and get a new one.

You people are fucking nuts.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Open your eyes, Asshole.

If you think that the people of Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas have things better than New York, Massachusetts or California...you should fire your shrink and get a new one.

You people are fucking nuts.

Mentally disabled people aside, learning the quality of life in various states is an excellent, albeit complex, question.

Quality of Life by State 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

What’s Being Measured​

In order to determine rankings, U.S. News & World Report considers a wide range of factors, including healthcare, education, economy, infrastructure, opportunity, fiscal stability, crime and corrections, and the natural environment. More information on these categories and what is measured in each can be found below:

• Healthcare includes access, quality, and affordability of healthcare, as well as health measurements, such as obesity rates and rates of smoking.
• Education measures how well public schools perform in terms of testing and graduation rates, as well as tuition costs associated with higher education and college debt load.
• Economy looks at GDP growth, migration to the state, and new business.
• Infrastructure includes transportation availability, road quality, communications, and internet access.
• Opportunity includes poverty rates, cost of living, housing costs and gender and racial equality.
• Fiscal Stability considers the health of the government’s finances, including how well the state balances its budget.
• Crime and Corrections ranks a state’s public safety and measures prison systems and their populations.
• Natural Environment looks at the quality of air and water and exposure to pollution.

 

[Grokmaster]

Yeah...California should take lessons from right-wing America on how to run a state. After all, the states of Mississippi, Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee...are mostly run by the right wing...and look how great they are compared with California. California, for the record, is the US state with an economy so robust, strong, and high...that only three COUNTRIES in the world are ranked higher.

You have got to be shitting, TA. Give it up.

And yet California still VCAN'T PAY ITS BILLS.


Red states feed and shelter most of America's minorities....which is quite costly.

 

[Libhater]

Open your eyes, Asshole.

If you think that the people of Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas have things better than New York, Massachusetts or California...you should fire your shrink and get a new one.

You people are fucking nuts.

The mass exodus from democrat run hellholes like Kalifornicator and New York to live in free rich lands like Florida, Tennessee
and Texas seems to suggest that you need a bright and upcoming new shrink to help you figure out why you are wrong on
almost if not every political comment or belief. But I warn you, I doubt that there is a shrink alive that could help you change
your Socialist/Marxist overview in the political world.

 

[Uncensored2008]

California has more homeless than any other state. It has more welfare recipients too.

It is constantly, and consistently ranked 50th as the least friendly state for business

From Worst to Best: How California ended up with the worst business climate in America, and what it will take to turn things around | California Policy Center

Prepared by Golden Together, a Movement to Restore the California Dream Authors: Edward Ring, California Policy Center Steve Hilton, Founder of Golden Together Published April 30, 2024

californiapolicycenter.org

It's one of the highest tax states there is

Map showing best and worst states for business

CNBC scored states across 135 metrics to assess where businesses are likely to find favorable conditions for success.

www.newsweek.com

Housing is unaffordable, the cost of living is obscene.

MSN

5 of the top 10 least affordable cities to live in in THE ENTIRE WORLD are in California!

California is in collapse. It's not happening overnight, but it is happening.

At the same time almost all of the best run states in the US are run by Republicans.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

The best and worst run states in America

www.nbcnews.com

DeSantis’s Florida is still the best-run state in the country

The numbers and the metrics have been saying the same thing for years: Ron DeSantis's Florida is still the best-run state for businesses and workers.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

In fact, California ranks as one of the worst run, least fiscally sound, states in the US consistently. It's a tax, and more tax, spend like there's no tomorrow state. One has to look no further than their high speed fail... err, rail, project. That porker to nowhere is headed towards a trillion dollar failure before it carries one passenger a foot on it.

California has by far the most expensive electricity in the lower 48 because of their greentard push and for no other reason.

Here’s why your electricity prices are high and soaring

PG&E customers pay 80% more than national average. Costs are falling disproportionately on a customer base that’s already struggling to pay their bills.

calmatters.org

https://www.ppic.org/blog/a-closer-look-at-californias-surging-electricity-rates/

California's electricity rates top the nation, report reveals - The Sacramento Observer

California residents face highest electricity rates in the nation, with escalating costs due to wildfire expenses and state policies.

sacobserver.com

California also has the highest income disparity in the nation.

Like all Socialist regimes, California is a land of the very rich and the very poor. The once great middle class is vanishing rapidly.

 

[Ross Dolan]

The mass exodus from democrat run hellholes like Kalifornicator and New York to live in free rich lands like Florida, Tennessee
and Texas seems to suggest that you need a bright and upcoming new shrink to help you figure out why you are wrong on
almost if not every political comment or belief. But I warn you, I doubt that there is a shrink alive that could help you change
your Socialist/Marxist overview in the political world.

Anyone who thinks the Red states are superior to Blue states simply is not dealing well with reality.

Continue to dream. The sane among us can continue to hope that the United States becomes more like California, Massachusetts, and New York than West Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Louisiana.

You can take the person out of the trailer park, but you cannot take the trailer park out of the person.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The mass exodus from democrat run hellholes like Kalifornicator and New York to live in free rich lands like Florida, Tennessee
and Texas seems to suggest that you need a bright and upcoming new shrink to help you figure out why you are wrong on
almost if not every political comment or belief. But I warn you, I doubt that there is a shrink alive that could help you change
your Socialist/Marxist overview in the political world.

Don't live there, son. I don't. Come to Texas where we have open carry and can shoot violent offenders, pedos raping children and traitors.
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

California also has the highest income disparity in the nation.

Like all Socialist regimes, California is a land of the very rich and the very poor. The once great middle class is vanishing rapidly.

Socialism invariably leads towards being a Turd World nation. It creates a class of uber rich catered to by a small--tiny--middle class while the other 95% of the population are equally poor.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Socialism invariably leads towards being a Turd World nation. It creates a class of uber rich catered to by a small--tiny--middle class while the other 95% of the population are equally poor.

Soooo....Trump is a Marxist??? Who knew??? LOL

Do you truly believe the BBB benefits all Americans equally or does it mostly benefit the uber rich? Why was the MAGA Congress split on the issue?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Soooo....Trump is a Marxist??? Who knew??? LOL

That is easily the most idiotic statement of the day on this board.

Do you truly believe the BBB benefits all Americans equally or does it mostly benefit the uber rich? Why was the MAGA Congress split on the issue?

No bill that Congress passes benefits all Americans equally. The BBB, as you dub it, benefits a wide range of people, not just the uber rich. Republicans were split over it because some felt the cuts in spending should have been greater than what was in the bill.

The BBB is certainly a better spending package than Biden's Infrastructure or Build Back Blunder bills were that passed right after he took office. Those tanked the economy, and by results to date were massive, unequivocal failures. A billion dollars to install something like a dozen EV charging stations?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That is easily the most idiotic statement of the day on this board.

I know you take your Orange Daddy very serious, Terry, but "why so serious?"

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iVOqUJ-euw

Disagreed tacking on 3.4T dollars in debt is good for future Americans.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Socialism invariably leads towards being a Turd World nation. It creates a class of uber rich catered to by a small--tiny--middle class while the other 95% of the population are equally poor.

That of course is a feature of socialism, not a bug.

The small middle class that remains is the apparatchik class, the government "workers."

 

[Kurmugeon]

The next California Industry to be taxed and regulated to death will be the Silicon Valley Semi-conductor foundries.

Also, the space launch facilities at Mohave and Vandenberg are being regulated out of existence.

Also, the Nappa Valley Vineyards are be regulated out of existence.

Also, the Sacramento Valley Rice Farmers are being denied the water needed to continue.

There is a bumper crop of Illegals...

The last American leaving CA, please turn out the lights.

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[Ross Dolan]

Socialism invariably leads towards being a Turd World nation. It creates a class of uber rich catered to by a small--tiny--middle class while the other 95% of the population are equally poor.

Bullshit.

Many (most) economists judge that we are the richest country that has ever existed on planet Earth...and yet we still have poverty and privation prevailing. There are HARD WORKING people who have to work two and three jobs to get by. And there is the scum of the American right who laugh it off and claim it is because of laziness. They would destroy safety net programs in order to avoid having someone get dregs without working...as though the kinds of benefits to society that would accrue from those people being forced (allowed) to work are negative.

SOCIALISM, by the way, HAS LED TO THE SECOND (SOON TO BE FIRST) STRONGEST, MOST ROBUST ECONOMIES ON THE PLANET.

The wealth disparity between the US an China is not significantly different; nor are the poverty levels in the two countries. But China, which has recently had a spurt of growth so is still learning how to deal with that problem, has much more in the way of safety net programs.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The small middle class that remains is the apparatchik class, the government "workers."

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The next California Industry to be taxed and regulated to death will be the Silicon Valley Semi-conductor foundries.

There is no silicon in Silicon Valley. All--ALL--the manufacturing has moved to Texas, Arizona, or elsewhere. None of it is in California. California's regulatory climate makes it impossible to manufacture anything there. A few of anecdotes I regularly use on that (from years ago):

A ladder manufacturer in Cali got paid a visit by state regulators who told him, in person at his plant, that he had to install all sorts of new environmental and safety equipment or they'd shut him down. He said what they wanted would cost him easily over a million dollars and he couldn't afford that. They told him they didn't care, do it or else.
So, he called a meeting of his entire workforce immediately, and had the regulators present. He told his workers that with the exception of a few key staff, they were all laid off effective immediately. He said the plant was closed and it was moving to Arizona. He apologized that he couldn't afford to move everyone there, just a few key people, but everyone was welcome to move to Arizona, and they'd keep their job and benefits intact if they did.
He then said the reason this happened was state regulators (introducing them) had demanded he make millions of dollars in modifications to his business, or they'd shut him down. He said he couldn't afford it, so the business was leaving California.
They had to call the police to protect the regulators from the enraged workers. Once the plant was moved to Goodyear Arizona, the guy continued to supply ladders to his customers in California saying it was the best decision he made as his business was now more productive and profitable.

Or, this one is personal. I was tasked by the Navy with manufacturing "Shore power cable cradles" for use at naval stations in the San Diego area. These things were a very large, all aluminum, fancy pallet with railing that would hold the shore power cables for ships (think giant extension cords to plug the ship in when it's docked). The reason the Navy was making these was California had environmental rules that required the minimization of micro plastic and rubber contamination getting into bodies of water. As the current method of moving the cables to ships had the possibility that the cable might drag on the ground as the forklift carried it, small amounts of rubber might scrub off and get into the ocean, bay, etc. So, these cradles.
I was given $1 million in an OPTAR to make hundreds of these things. Coast Aluminum, my go-to supplier for aluminum was thrilled with the truck loads of material I purchased. We cranked those out at a rate of 8 a day for weeks on end. All this so that a miniscule amount of rubber wouldn't end up in the water. Given that there are thousands of these things with 4 RUBBER tires driving around the base all day, I'd say a few shore power cables added nothing. But the edict came down from California to the Navy and that was that...

Two of them in the photo.


Then there was Progresso soup. They had a plant near Sacramento. One of the things they did was incinerate all of their vegetable waste in a cogeneration plant to produce the electricity the soup factory used. The state came in and told them that cogeneration plant had to go. Didn't matter it had the latest pollution controls, it generated CO2 and it was evil or something.
Progresso crunched the numbers and decided the plant was no longer profitable. They closed it, laying off 300 workers and moved the operation to Kansas.
California HATES success and business in general.

Also, the space launch facilities at Mohave and Vandenberg are being regulated out of existence.

They'll likely be scaled back to the minimum amount of operations possible if they can't be abandoned entirely.

Also, the Nappa Valley Vineyards are be regulated out of existence.

Yea, a good portion are now in Southern Arizona.

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More are in N. Mexico. They won't die, they'll just move somewhere else, and they have.

Also, the Sacramento Valley Rice Farmers are being denied the water needed to continue.

They'll leave and set up ops somewhere else.

There is a bumper crop of Illegals...

Gotta prop up those numbers for seats in congress don't ya know?

The last American leaving CA, please turn out the lights.

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California has already done that with rolling black outs, like every other Turd World shithole.