More bad news for Obama

Mott the Hoople said:
Well to be fair it's only been a little more than a week and the data is still coming in but it does look like the Ryan selection is recieving a historically low bump. To many Americans are just fed up with angry white guys like SF, PiMP, Dixie, JMac, etc.

The nation is looking for real leaders, not spoiled brats who are pissed they can't have all things their way.
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LMAO... seriously? You are using the 'angry white guys' line of crap?

You are right, the nation is looking for a real leader. We obviously have not had one for four years. Just a whiny President who stomps his feet when he doesn't get his way. Just a whiny President that cries about how everything is someone else's fault. Just a whiny President who has an abysmal economic record.
 
Superfreak said:
Also Mutt, how about you link us up to the historical bump a VP usually brings... where are you getting your data?
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You might not want to go there. :0)

2012-08-15-Blumenthal-nationalpolls1.png


The historical data is not in your favor either.
 
Superfreak said:
Again... look at the swing states, that is what Mutt was talking about. That is where he is wrong. That is what I pointed out.
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:0) If you insist my friend.

Poll: Majority of Swing State Supporters Unhappy, But Still Back Obama
1 hour ago
http://www.voanews.com/content/poll...rs_unhappy_but_still_back_obama-/1491487.html

Poll: Obama leads in swing-state Michigan
3 days ago
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/244113-poll-obama-leads-in-swing-state-michigan

Shouldn't you be asking yourself how this is even possible given the failures of the Obama Administration?

It's possible because your candidate is the pits. Nobody trusts him, not even republicans.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I'll stand corrected on the congressional voate. You're just seeing what you want to see in terms of the Presidential election. Romney's odds of winning are getting starker and starker each day. The only areas where support for Romney is growing is in the States which all ready support him. He's showing no growth in the States that support Obama, and Obama is leading in 8 of the 9 swing states with Romney only showing any statistically significant increases in just three of of those 9 states. That means that the polling within those 9 swing states fall within one standard deviation of the mean (meaning Obama's odds of winning are better than 66.7% in those 9 States) and the polling with in the 6 swing states which have shown no significant increase for Romney are withing two standard deviations of the mean (meaning Obama's odds of winning are better than 85% in those 6 States) and those are calculated at a 95% leven of confidence. So if you want to go by the numbers Romney is in deep shit and the only area where his seeing real significant increases in support are in States which all ready heavily support him to begin with, and that means nothing from an electoral standpoint.

So you might want to try looking at the numbers objectively. Your boys in trouble and has one hell of an uphill climb.
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dude, remember your predictions about Wisconsin?....absolutely none of them came true.......the same is true here.....look at the trend in all the swing states.....Obama's lead is declining, not the other way around....
 
blackascoal said:
It isn't a matter of ignoring facts .. it's a matter of ignorance.

I asked you to demonstrate that the country is clamoring for Ryan and Romney and you've failed miserably.

Where is the huge (clamoring) bounce for Ryan?

NEWSFLASH: There isn't one.
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actually, in the only four polls done in swing states and reported in RCP since Ryan was announced, Romney leads three, Obama leads one.....
 
blackascoal said:
:0) If you insist my friend.

Poll: Majority of Swing State Supporters Unhappy, But Still Back Obama
1 hour ago
http://www.voanews.com/content/poll...rs_unhappy_but_still_back_obama-/1491487.html

Poll: Obama leads in swing-state Michigan
3 days ago
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/244113-poll-obama-leads-in-swing-state-michigan

Shouldn't you be asking yourself how this is even possible given the failures of the Obama Administration?

It's possible because your candidate is the pits. Nobody trusts him, not even republicans.
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As I stated earlier...

Romney has gained in Ohio, VA, FL, WI since the announcement of Ryan.

MO, NV, NC, IA have not had polls since the announcement

CO and MI are the only ones where Obama has gained ground.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/?state=nwa
 
Superfreak said:
As I stated earlier...

Romney has gained in Ohio, VA, FL, WI since the announcement of Ryan.
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In Ohio I only see 2 polls since the announcement and both show Romney worse off than he was when those particular polls were last conducted. Virginia has been polled once and it shows movement in Romney's favor but it's just one poll. Florida has had two polls and one has Romney losing ground (from +3 to +1) and one had him gaining a point. Wisconsin has been polled twice and it shows significant movement to Obama in one poll (Rasmussen from -1 to +1) while the other is a first time poll with Obama at +4.

I don't see this as Romney gaining much of anything, with the possible exception of Wisconsin, Ryan's home state.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Wisconsin has been polled twice and it shows significant movement to Obama in one poll (Rasmussen from -1 to +1) while the other is a first time poll with Obama at +4.
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and yet, in Wisconsin....
3. How would you rate Mitt Romney's choice of Paul Ryan for vice president? Would you rate this
choice as excellent, pretty good, only fair, or poor?
Aug. 13-14
2012
Excellent 31%
Pretty good 23%
Only fair 21%
Poor 20%
No opinion 5%
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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/08/16/topgenstate1.pdf
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
In Ohio I only see 2 polls since the announcement and both show Romney worse off than he was when those particular polls were last conducted.
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where are you looking.....RCP shows this, which is the exact opposite of what you posted...
Purple Strategies 8/13 - 8/14 600 LV 44 46 Romney +2
Rasmussen Reports 8/13 - 8/13 500 LV 45 45 Tie
PPP (D) 8/9 - 8/12 961 LV 48 45 Obama +3
CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac 7/24 - 7/30 1193 LV 50 44 Obama +6
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
In Ohio I only see 2 polls since the announcement and both show Romney worse off than he was when those particular polls were last conducted. Virginia has been polled once and it shows movement in Romney's favor but it's just one poll. Florida has had two polls and one has Romney losing ground (from +3 to +1) and one had him gaining a point. Wisconsin has been polled twice and it shows significant movement to Obama in one poll (Rasmussen from -1 to +1) while the other is a first time poll with Obama at +4.

I don't see this as Romney gaining much of anything, with the possible exception of Wisconsin, Ryan's home state.
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The two Ohio Polls are Rasmussen which went from a +2 for Obama to a tie... a 2 pt move towards Romney and Purple Strategies which went from Obama +2 to Romney +3, a five point move towards Romney.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html#polls

In Wisconsin, Rasmussen went from +3 for Obama to +1 for Romney. CNN has Obama +4, but as you stated it is a first time poll, so no comparison.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/wi/wisconsin_romney_vs_obama-1871.html#polls

In VA, Purple Strategies went from +2 for Obama to +3 for Romney, a five point swing

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/va/virginia_romney_vs_obama-1774.html#polls

In FL you actually managed to read the polls correctly.
 
Socrtease said:
So, I guess my question is how can the president create jobs? I have looked at the Constitution and can't find his job creating power. keep in mind, I'm not voting for the guy, I just want to know what direct power in inherent in the presidency to create jobs.
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The president can do nothing, as long as the party of NO won't allow anything to pass into law.

Jobs are created when those who spend the most money, have money to spend.

That would be those who earn between app. $30-$100,000.00/year give or take a few grand.

If you cut their income taxes between 10-15%, then the jobs would appear pretty quickly.

Imagine a typical working class household that has between $600-$1000 more in their pockets each month.

In the end, the 1% ends up with the money anyway, as they (theoretically) own the businesses.
 
Superfreak said:
The two Ohio Polls are Rasmussen which went from a +2 for Obama to a tie... a 2 pt move towards Romney and Purple Strategies which went from Obama +2 to Romney +3, a five point move towards Romney.

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If that was a poll of 'likely' voters, of course it changed in Romney's favor.

The Ohio SOS conveniently did away with early voting in Dem districts, whilst expanding early voting in Repub districts.


So the pool of likely dem voters just got smaller.
 
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