Moodys study on stimulus return

I still think there are real principles here in what hes trying to do. You fear its all camouflage for nefarious dealings. I truely think hes trying to construct a team of rivals who can work to truely construct an American policy and not just a Democratic policy.

I know you dont think such a possibility exsists or is valuable but to me I would rather conceed a thing or two to make this country feel like it was facing this challenge as a cohesive country.
 
I still think there are real principles here in what hes trying to do. You fear its all camouflage for nefarious dealings. I truely think hes trying to construct a team of rivals who can work to truely construct an American policy and not just a Democratic policy.

I know you dont think such a possibility exsists or is valuable but to me I would rather conceed a thing or two to make this country feel like it was facing this challenge as a cohesive country.

I respect your perspective even as I don't agree with it.

As I said, the proof will be in the final bill and will determine who got played.

Check your email because Obama is going to lobby you to do .. ahh .. something about his stimulus plan.

Breaking: Obama Taps Email List for Stimulus

President Barack Obama tapped his massive email list to organize support for the economic stimulus on Friday, the first attempt by Obama's aides to formally rally his campaign supporters behind the new President's legislative agenda.

"The President's plan passed the House of Representatives on Wednesday," writes Mitch Stewart, who was recently appointed director of Organizing for America, in the new email to Obama supporters. "To avoid the usual partisan games" and actually pass the bill, he argues, citizens need to get active, host "economic recovery house meetings" and show "neighbors and friends" what the plan "means for their community."

OFA's house meeting portal includes a talking points PDF -- "paid for by OFA, a project of the Democratic National Committee" -- and an interactive map projecting the economic impact of the plan on every state, based on an analysis by Moody's chief economist Mark Zandi, who has previously advised Sen. John McCain. The plan would save or create about four million jobs across the country, according to that projection, by the end of 2010.

To see the biggest impact of this effort, however, you have to read between the lines of Stewart's email. There is no direct reference to pressuring members of Congress or criticizing opponents of the plan. Operatives are signaling that "the goal is not to get these supporters to lobby their elected officials." This week, in fact, former Obama campaign manager David Plouffe took to the New York Times to declare that OFA "is not a ‘call or e-mail your member of Congress' organization."

OFA is not formally lobbing or publicly bullying Congress, and for a range of political and legal reasons, that will probably be the framework through 2012. But let's be real. Obama's aides are unleashing a grassroots organizing operation, targeting citizens with localized advocacy to pass a single piece of legislation on a tight schedule. That is pressure on Congress to pass a law, sparked by the Chief Executive but executed by the people. If Obama supporters respond, it should help shore up support for the stimulus in regions that Obama dominated in November.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/stat..._obama_taps_email_list_for_stimulus?rel=hpbox

I'm sorry .. I find this kinda' comical.
 
There is no such thing as a filibuster-proof Senate when democrats are in control. Conservative Democratic Senators have their own agenda .. as do blue-dog democratic members of the House .. like these guys ..

Allan Boyd (D-FL)
Bobby Bright (D-AL)
Jim Cooper (D-TN)
Brad Ellsworth (D-IN)
Parker Griffith (D-AL)
Paul Kanjorski (D-PA)
Frank Kratovil (D-MD)
Walt Minnick (D-ID)
Collin Peterson (D-MN)
Heath Shuler (D-NC)
Gene Taylor (D-MS)

... who all voted against the stimulus plan along with republicans.
Yes, bi-partisan opposition. Interesting. ;)
 
Irrespective of the fact that you didn't vote, your views are far from what I'd call progressive, or even modern .. and, more importantly, far from the views of those who actually did vote for him.

Which is my point.

Which is actually a misnomer... the whole 'progressive' movement it bogus in that they only want progress if it is done THEIR way. EX: We currently have a regressive tax system. Yet the 'progressives' support it and laugh off attempts to change it.

To say that my views are not modern is ridiculous at best.

As for Obama... a lot of people with a lot of different views voted for him. Yes, I am way off from the far left. That is obvious. But the more moderate Dems/Independents that voted for him are not that far from my views.

1) I support the ending of government involvement in marriage. If they want to provide legal rights for couples, then any couple who files with the government gets a cival union, gay or straight.

2) I fully support the advancement of alt energy as I believe it will aid us in our health, our environment and our national security.

3) I fully support the use of government funds to expedite the buildout of our infrastructure as it is long over do and in this environment will be good for providing jobs and positive economic impact.

4) I fully support a truly progressive tax code that is fair and easy enough for everyone to understand.
 
I'm going to predict right here that both BAC and Dano will hate the final bill, with BAC calling Obama a phony GOP appeaser and Dano calling him a socialist.

And the majority of Americans will like it.
 
Drill in ANWAR, they won't do it anyway, until the price of oil is back up, so shelve that one for the time being.

True, it is not likely given current pricing, but if you get everything ready to go now... while steel prices are way down, while labor is down, you can buildout any additional pipeline needed NOW and do the actual drilling when it is more economical. Though oil does not need to rise much to hit economic viability for ANWAR. Has further to go for off shore (especially deep ocean).

So no... do not shelve it. Get it going now. When jobs are needed most, when materials are priced low and so that the oil will be available as soon as possible.

Keep in mind... we have the capability to control the environmental impact of oil that we drill in the US. We do not have that capability in Saudi, Canada, Mexico or Venezuela etc...
 
I'm going to predict right here that both BAC and Dano will hate the final bill, with BAC calling Obama a phony GOP appeaser and Dano calling him a socialist.

And the majority of Americans will like it.


Yes I agree, but the majority of Americans will be wrong yet again.

I have seen nothing yet from either party execpt partisanship and more of the hair of the dog that bit you non-solutions.
 
List of Republicans who voted for the stimulus package:

0

What even more interesting is that only democrats believe in "bi-partisan opposition."
I was being sarcastic. 11 out of hundreds is not indicative of a "bi-partisan" position.

And, again, I think they are doing the right thing for several reasons.
 
Which is actually a misnomer... the whole 'progressive' movement it bogus in that they only want progress if it is done THEIR way. EX: We currently have a regressive tax system. Yet the 'progressives' support it and laugh off attempts to change it.

To say that my views are not modern is ridiculous at best.

As for Obama... a lot of people with a lot of different views voted for him. Yes, I am way off from the far left. That is obvious. But the more moderate Dems/Independents that voted for him are not that far from my views.

1) I support the ending of government involvement in marriage. If they want to provide legal rights for couples, then any couple who files with the government gets a cival union, gay or straight.

2) I fully support the advancement of alt energy as I believe it will aid us in our health, our environment and our national security.

3) I fully support the use of government funds to expedite the buildout of our infrastructure as it is long over do and in this environment will be good for providing jobs and positive economic impact.

4) I fully support a truly progressive tax code that is fair and easy enough for everyone to understand.

1) You do not support affirmative action as do the VAST majority of thosewho voted for him.

2) You do not support the work of the ACLU or the NAACP as do the VAST majority of those who voted for him.

3) You do not support the repeal of tax susidies for companies moving business off-shore as do Obama and the Vast majority of those who voted for him.

4) You support ANWR drilling whereas the majority of those who voted for him do not.

5) You support dumping nuclear waste in Nevada ....

6) You support requiring federal ID to vote ...

7) "Taxes" is your keyword ....

.. and I'm sure if we got into issues such as war, crime, drugs, social issues, and foreign policy, we'd find much more divergence of opinion.

I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with you personally, but you don't come across as a progressive kind of guy.
 
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True, it is not likely given current pricing, but if you get everything ready to go now... while steel prices are way down, while labor is down, you can buildout any additional pipeline needed NOW and do the actual drilling when it is more economical. Though oil does not need to rise much to hit economic viability for ANWAR. Has further to go for off shore (especially deep ocean).

So no... do not shelve it. Get it going now. When jobs are needed most, when materials are priced low and so that the oil will be available as soon as possible.

Keep in mind... we have the capability to control the environmental impact of oil that we drill in the US. We do not have that capability in Saudi, Canada, Mexico or Venezuela etc...

Do not hand out any new oil leases unless they get revoked if they are not drilled within a certain time limit.
sitting on leases is a favorite thing for oil companies to do to support their prices.
 
1) You do not support affirmative action as do the VAST majority of thosewho voted for him.

2) You do not support the work of the ACLU or the NAACP as do the VAST majority of those who voted for him.

3) You do not support the repeal of tax susidies for companies moving business off-shore as do Obama and the Vast majority of those who voted for him.

4) You support ANWR drilling whereas the majority of those who voted for him do not.

5) You support dumping nuclear waste in Nevada ....

6) You support requiring federal ID to vote ...

7) "Taxes" is your keyword ....

.. and I'm sure if we got into issues such as war, crime, drugs, social issues, and foreign policy, we'd find much more divergence of opinion.

I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with you personally, but you don't come across as a progressive kind of guy.


He's anti-choice even in cases of rape. That is a radical right view.
 
The only people who shoulc be listening to Moodys right now is a jury while Moodys defends it's past actions in court.
 
I'm going to predict right here that both BAC and Dano will hate the final bill, with BAC calling Obama a phony GOP appeaser and Dano calling him a socialist.

And the majority of Americans will like it.

Most Americans will not like it .. but they'll swallow it .. just as they did the bailout. We are a nation of swallowers.

Bailout Wall Street .. which gave away 20 billion dollars in bonuses .. then beg at the public trough .. mostAmericans will simply open wide and swallow.
 
He's anti-choice even in cases of rape. That is a radical right view.

I am pro life... you can call it 'anti-choice' all you want. One of us is protecting a life...the other is taking the life.

Which is radical? I'll go with the one that supports murder.
 
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