Modern feminism: an evaluation

Aoxomoxoa said:
Who is she?
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She is Darla and she has introduced some folks, albeit very late in their middle-aged lives, to the limitations of personal experience and how those limitations can impact one's perception of the world. Apparently, some minds were blown and some are having difficultly incorporating the concept into their stunted worldviews.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
She is Darla and she has introduced some folks, albeit very late in their middle-aged lives, to the limitations of personal experience and how those limitations can impact one's perception of the world. Apparently, some minds were blown and some are having difficultly incorporating the concept into their stunted worldviews.
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Oh come on, I have always thought of you as one of the more thoughtful posters on here. You can do better than that, there are many types of feminists.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
She is Darla and she has introduced some folks, albeit very late in their middle-aged lives, to the limitations of personal experience and how those limitations can impact one's perception of the world. Apparently, some minds were blown and some are having difficultly incorporating the concept into their stunted worldviews.
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LMAO... that is quite the warped view of what actually happened. She did no such thing. She constantly proclaims that she knows what we can and cannot grasp due to the fact that we are white men. She pretends that we are incapable of comprehending other perspectives because we are white and male. Which is nothing short of nonsense. But as I stated many times, there are many liberal lemmings who are all to eager to jump on board the moronic wagon she is driving and start parroting the same nonsense.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... that is quite the warped view of what actually happened. She did no such thing. She constantly proclaims that she knows what we can and cannot grasp due to the fact that we are white men. She pretends that we are incapable of comprehending other perspectives because we are white and male. Which is nothing short of nonsense. But as I stated many times, there are many liberal lemmings who are all to eager to jump on board the moronic wagon she is driving and start parroting the same nonsense.
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Here is just one quote from the article, something that seems to be denied by the militant wing of feminism.

Men don't suffer from domestic violence by women.
We usually think that women are the only victims of domestic violence, but several studies have shown that the rate is about 50/50 men/women i.e. women engage in domestic violence against men at about the same rate that men do against women. The main difference is that women get hurt more unless a weapon is used, in which case the injury severity is about 50/50. This excellent paper (from Professor Linda Kelly of University of Indianapolis School of Law) explains the stats in detail http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/downloads/304/kelly.pdf
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Aoxomoxoa said:
Here is just one quote from the article, something that seems to be denied by the militant wing of feminism.
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yeah, I read the whole piece. That one shocked me a bit. I had no idea it was that close. Obviously as it stated, the discrepancy in damage caused is pretty large (unless a weapon is used), which is likely why we don't hear as much about it.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Oh come on, I have always thought of you as one of the more thoughtful posters on here. You can do better than that, there are many types of feminists.
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True. I actually met a porn star feminist once. She expressed some views that though feminist in nature were radically different than those in the feminist fold with extreme views like Andrea Dworkin and Katherin McKinin whom she was very critical off. She made a hell of a lot more sense then they did though I'm sure her views would still be repugnant to most conservative men. She was not your average porn star or feminist! LOL
 
I tried to post the full text but it is too long, so here is another snippet.


(c) 1 in 4 women are raped
Part of the general 'all men are rapists' attitude. The Independent Women's Forum maintains that this statistic is a myth: "based on a fallacious feminist study commissioned by Ms. magazine. The researcher, Mary Koss, hand-picked by hard-line feminist Gloria Steinem, acknowledges that 73 percent of the young women she counted as rape victims were not aware they had been raped. Forty-three percent of them were dating their 'attacker' again" http://www.massnews.com/2003_Editions/5_May/050503_mn_umass_feminists_hate_men_rally.shtml_feminists_hate_men_rally.shtml
The general tactic has been to expand the definition of rape so as to make it seem more prevalent: "…even verbal coercion or manipulation constitutes rape” (Roiphe, 1993, pp. 66–67) and “with such a sweeping definition of rape, I wonder how many people there are, male or female, who haven’t been date-raped at one point or another” (Roiphe, 1993, p. 79). Dr. Christina Hoff Sommers observes: "Dr. Andrea Parrot, chair of the Cornell University Coalition Advocating Rape Education and author of Sexual Assault on Campus, begins her date rape prevention manual with the words, "Any sexual intercourse without mutual desire is a form of rape"http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html
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Aoxomoxoa said:
I found this on the internet the other day, I would be interested in other's opinions especially the women on this forum.

http://www.freewebs.com/feminism-evaluated/
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I don't support extremist of any stripe.

I don't doubt that men are hit, abused and don't reciprocate, I know of one of my son's friends whose girlfriend was horrible. I tried to get him to press charges after one particularly bad instance where she scratched up his face. He refused to contact the police. She was later charged and convicted of a felony, hitting her fiancé, a different guy with a bat in their front yard, a neighbor reported it, the guy didn't wnt o press charges, but it was out of his hands because of Alaskan law.

I am a supporter of equal rights, not more rights for women.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I found this on the internet the other day, I would be interested in other's opinions especially the women on this forum.

http://www.freewebs.com/feminism-evaluated/
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I see what the author is doing and I don't approve. With out a doubt there are extremist in the feminist movement, as there are in any political movement. but the author is painting them to be mainstream feminist views when it's well known in feminist circles that the fringe views of Dworkin, Greer, Jong and McKinen are not held by many, if not most, mainstream feminist.

The author makes some valid points about sexism in the work place but with the implication that the glass ceiling does not exist for women, that's just non-sense. The glass ceiling may have lowered and is more attainable for professional women but it is still there. Make no mistake about that. His statos of female boardmembers is a good example. THe problem is is that the ratio of male to female board members in corporations is grossly lopsided in favor of males. Women are far more competitive at the corporate mid management level....but who still dominates the top positions in very lopsided numbers? Men do. So the glass ceiling certainly exist and just because we've made tremendous strides in gender equity doesn't meant there isn't a long way to go.

The comments on domestic violence are just plain vile. I mean for fucks sake. Yea, women hit men, with little consequence for men and the ratio of women using a weapon against a male and vice versa are comparable but the stats and facts are clear, when men hit women women get hurt, injured, disabled and even killed far, far, far more often then when the reverse occurs. To downplay this fact is completely reprehensible.

All in all, I think the auther uses some facts and some statistics and some comments from the lunatic fringe in an attempt to marginalize a legitimate political movement. This guy should apply for a job at Fox News. He'd be perfect!
 
Derp Derp said:
I see what the author is doing and I don't approve. With out a doubt there are extremist in the feminist movement, as there are in any political movement. but the author is painting them to be mainstream feminist views when it's well known in feminist circles that the fringe views of Dworkin, Greer, Jong and McKinen are not held by many, if not most, mainstream feminist.

The author makes some valid points about sexism in the work place but with the implication that the glass ceiling does not exist for women, that's just non-sense. The glass ceiling may have lowered and is more attainable for professional women but it is still there. Make no mistake about that. His statos of female boardmembers is a good example. THe problem is is that the ratio of male to female board members in corporations is grossly lopsided in favor of males. Women are far more competitive at the corporate mid management level....but who still dominates the top positions in very lopsided numbers? Men do. So the glass ceiling certainly exist and just because we've made tremendous strides in gender equity doesn't meant there isn't a long way to go.

The comments on domestic violence are just plain vile. I mean for fucks sake. Yea, women hit men, with little consequence for men and the ratio of women using a weapon against a male and vice versa are comparable but the stats and facts are clear, when men hit women women get hurt, injured, disabled and even killed far, far, far more often then when the reverse occurs. To downplay this fact is completely reprehensible.

All in all, I think the auther uses some facts and some statistics and some comments from the lunatic fringe in an attempt to marginalize a legitimate political movement. This guy should apply for a job at Fox News. He'd be perfect!
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The study that was quoted was conducted by a woman not a man. Here is an article from the Guardian, which is considered a left wing newspaper, detailing much the same story. There is an important principle here, in that many stories of female violence on men are unreported because the victims believe that they will not be taken seriously.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
The study that was quoted was conducted by a woman not a man. Here is an article from the Guardian, which is considered a left wing newspaper, detailing much the same story. There is an important principle here, in that many stories of female violence on men are unreported because the victims believe that they will not be taken seriously.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
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I stand corrected than. This woman should apply for a job at Fox News.

As for female violence upon men. I don't doubt that's the case but I fail to see what that has to do with my point. I've known to many people in violent relationships and it's almost always the women who come out on the shit end of that stick.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
The study that was quoted was conducted by a woman not a man. Here is an article from the Guardian, which is considered a left wing newspaper, detailing much the same story. There is an important principle here, in that many stories of female violence on men are unreported because the victims believe that they will not be taken seriously.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
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I am sorry Mott but as least in the UK, it is very easy for a woman to call the police and have a man evicted from his house. There need be no evidence other than the women's testimony, in part I think that is the reason why more men don't report violence apart from the humiliation and embarrassment factor.

I even gave you an article from the Guardian, which is the social workers bible in the UK, detailing how rife women's violence on men is.
 
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