Moderator Raddatz the real winner!

I haven't seen that anywhere but then I don't usually read right-wing sites.

I was watching the counters on CNN as they counted the time. I'm not looking this up on some "right-wing" site. Unless you count this one as a "right-wing" site and think I got it from somewhere other than simply watching the debate, I simply posted what I saw.
 
I'm talking about perception, he looked uncontrolled and uncontrollable, like a belligerent drunk Uncle at your family Christmas party. You have to invite him, but you have to make sure you get the kids in bed before he starts getting too rowdy.

IMO, he looked like they had him so full of stuff to regurgitate that he couldn't hold it in any longer, he tried to get it all out at once.

That is a great point. There was one point where he simply exploded with Axlerod prompted talking points and he seemed to want to get them out all at once. I think the more people think on it, the less favorable Biden is going to look.

OWEdummy goes into Tuesday night 0-2
 
It wasn't a "debate" at all, it was an orchestrated ambush of a conservative by two liberals. Everything down to the camera cuts by production, was designed to make Biden look good and Ryan look bad, and that is what they accomplished. Aside from Biden's constant rude interruptions and snickering or sneering, we had the moderator teaming up with Biden to bash on Ryan and bail out Joe when he started to drift away from us. In addition, we saw, whenever Biden was making a point, the camera shot was straight-on, as if he were addressing the people, no one else in the frame. When Ryan was making serious points, they always had the camera shot with Biden in the background snickering and sneering. Oh, they sprinkled in a few straight-on shots of Ryan too, just so it appears "fair" but the point is when these were done and how. The overall format was abysmal, there was no clear start-stop points that I could tell, it was like some kind of Sunday morning roundtable discussion, not a DEBATE.. or at least not any debate I can ever recall.
 
I'm talking about perception, he looked uncontrolled and uncontrollable, like a belligerent drunk Uncle at your family Christmas party. You have to invite him, but you have to make sure you get the kids in bed before he starts getting too rowdy.

IMO, he looked like they had him so full of stuff to regurgitate that he couldn't hold it in any longer, he tried to get it all out at once.

You have some very tame drunks in your family.
 
I already said last night that Biden overdid it with the laughing, the shrugs, the eye-rolling etc. He seemed to tone it down a bit toward the end. But it doesn't change the fact that Ryan was short on substance and that Raddatz had to press him to answer questions with specifics.

I disagree...the body language was perfect and got the point across when lyin Ryan was spewing his RW nonfacts and disinformation. We've watched for years how these cretins talk over everyone to bully and keep others from having a chance to rebut and this was perfect for that RW tactic. Perfect. Joe did a great job last night.

The 'drunk' meme comes from some of the most despicable RW cellars like Drudge or Worldnetdaily...complete swamps.
 
she would literally cut him off sometimes 4 seconds into an answer. at the end of the debate they had the same time.

apparently people are also saying biden interrupted ryan a total of 82 times and the moderator allowed it.
She also cut him off several times 4 minutes into an answer. Two minutes over his alloted time. No wonder Biden was interrupting him.
 
Joe did a great job last night.

And this seems to be the consensus from the left-wing extremists of the Democrat party, and virtually no one else. The problem is, flash polls show Biden lost the debate to Ryan, so this means you're about to have your liberal asses handed to you in November. But, glad you liked Biden's performance!
 
Biden interrupts Ryan 82 times, annoys viewers

Vice President Joe Biden interrupted Paul Ryan 82 times in a 90-minute debate with rival Paul Ryan, while CNN reported that women preferred Ryan.

“FACT: Final Count: Biden interrupted 82 times during the entire debate,” the RNC’s Joe Pounder tweeted after the debate. CNN’s Gloria Berger said that she would have liked Biden to show less “condescension” and “eye-rolling.”

Even MSNBC’s Chris Wallace — who thought that Biden won the debate — said that Biden “was openly contemptuous and disrespectful” of Ryan.

Read more: http://times247.com/articles/biden-interrupts-ryan-82-times-annoys-viewers#ixzz297CHygK7

he interrupted him virtually every single minute of the debate

even honest liberals admit biden was an asshole

82 interruptions over 90 minutes basically means he was interupting on average once a minute, every minute, for the entire debate.
 
bullshit. he butted in the entire debate mopple
Oh whaaa, you poor little butt hurt Republican. When you talk 4 minutes into a two minute turn in a debate you get interrupted. Quit being whiny assed pussies about it. Romney constantly interrupted Obama in their debates and Obama should have told Romney to STFU but he didn't and he lost the debate. Now you guys are crybabying cause the tables got turned on Ryan? Oh cry me a river!

What a crock a shit. If you dish it out you gotta take it so quit being a candy assed crybaby and man up!
 
Oh whaaa, you poor little butt hurt Republican. When you talk 4 minutes into a two minute turn in a debate you get interrupted. Quit being whiny assed pussies about it. Romney constantly interrupted Obama in their debates and Obama should have told Romney to STFU but he didn't and he lost the debate. Now you guys are crybabying cause the tables got turned on Ryan? Oh cry me a river!

What a crock a shit. If you dish it out you gotta take it so quit being a candy assed crybaby and man up!

butt hurt? 1. i'm not a republican; 2. even democrats are calling biden out

stop being such an apologist mopple.
 
Biden was specific....

Around 24 minutes into the debate, moderator Raddatz steered the conversation toward the current unemployment level, and asked of both candidates, "Can you get unemployment to under 6 percent, and how long will it take?" Mr. Biden had the first bite of the apple, and delivered an aria that shook the glass in the windows.

I don't know how long it will take. We can and we will get it under 6 percent. Let's look at - let's take a look at the facts. Let's look at where we were when we came to office. The economy was in free fall. We had -- the great recession hit; 9 million people lost their job; $1.7 - $1.6 trillion in wealth lost in equity in your homes, in retirement accounts for the middle class.

We knew we had to act for the middle class. We immediately went out and rescued General Motors. We went ahead and made sure that we cut taxes for the middle class. And in addition to that, when that occurred, what did Romney do? Romney said, "No, let Detroit go bankrupt." We moved in and helped people refinance their homes. Governor Romney said, "No, let foreclosures hit the bottom."

But it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47 percent of the American people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. My friend (Rep. Ryan) recently in a speech in Washington said, "33 percent of the American people are takers."

These people are my mom and dad - the people I grew up with, my neighbors. They pay more effective tax than Governor Romney pays in his federal income tax. They are elderly people who in fact are living off of Social Security. They are veterans and people fighting in Afghanistan right now who are, quote, "not paying any tax."

It's about time they take some responsibility here. Instead of signing pledges to Grover Norquist not to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class we're going to level the playing field; we're going to give you a fair shot again; we are going to not repeat the mistakes we made in the past by having a different set of rules for Wall Street and Main Street, making sure that we continue to hemorrhage these tax cuts for the super wealthy.

They're pushing the continuation of a tax cut that will give an additional $500 billion in tax cuts to 120,000 families. And they're holding hostage the middle class tax cut because they say we won't pass -- we won't continue the middle class tax cut unless you give the tax cut for the super wealthy. It's about time they take some responsibility.

In one fell swoop: a nod to the successful auto industry bailout, a hit on Romney's 47% doctrine, a hit on Ryan's 33% doctrine, a hit on the Norquist anti-tax pledge, a hit on Romney's nebulous tax history, a reminder of the GOP's calamitous record, a hit on the GOP's desire to continue the Bush tax cuts, all of which came in a few savage minutes...and all of which was delivered with the heat and passion of someone who is legitimately angry about the matters at hand. Mr. Biden, in this small space, accomplished more than Mr. Obama did in his own 90-minute opportunity, and the simple force of it was palpable.

Mr. Biden was not done, however. Minutes later, on the subject of Detroit in particular and job growth in general, the vice president enjoyed what may well go down in history as his finest moment in politics.

I've never met two guys who are more down on America across the board. We're told everything's going bad. There are 5.2 million new jobs, private-sector jobs. If they'd get out of the way, if they'd get out of the way and let us pass the tax cut for the middle class, make it permanent, if they get out of the way and pass the jobs bill, if they get out of the way and let us allow 14 million people who are struggling to stay in their homes because their mortgages are upside down, but they never missed a mortgage payment...

Just get out of the way.

Stop talking about how you care about people. Show me something. Show me a policy. Show me a policy where you take responsibility.

And, by the way, they talk about this Great Recession as if it fell out of the sky, like, "Oh, my goodness, where did it come from?" It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. I was there. I voted against them. I said, no, we can't afford that. And now, all of a sudden, these guys are so seized with the concern about the debt that they created.

It was at this point that Paul Ryan began to look, for all the world, eerily like Mr. Bean. His reliance on campaign talking points wore raggedly thin, and as Mr. Biden gained strength and intensity, Mr. Ryan began to shrink. A welcome discussion of foreign policy regarding Afghanistan, Syria and Iran was transformed into an international policy seminar delivered by a guy who's been around the block a few times to a guy who didn't seem to know where the block was to begin with.
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12075-big-joe-and-the-joyful-noise

He was factual and addressed the issues...Joe was golden last night.

Before the night was even half over, both Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh had tweeted that Mr. Biden was "bullying" Mr. Ryan. If this is any indication of how the GOP intends to spin the debate, and it surely is, the right will seek to make hay out of Biden's demonstrably emotional approach to the debate, if for no other reason than to distract from the actual substance of the event. Mr. Biden laughed, he sighed, he shook his head, he raised his hands to the heavens in disgust, and he leveled an angry, accusatory finger at his opponent more than once.

Biden was heated, and animated, and was not shy about telegraphing the disdain he felt for his opponent's arguments. Of course he will be criticized for that. Of course he will. Elements of the "news" media will certainly try to boil off the meat and focus on the dreck, for no other reason than to make their jobs easier, and that narrative will be promoted with vigor by the GOP's spin machine.

If that becomes the final takeaway from Thursday's debate - despite all the substance provided, despite all the facts deployed, despite all the heartily-welcomed challenges traded back and forth - then the political "news" media has officially lost any and all purchase on usefulness in this republic. What happened on Thursday night was nothing more or less than the best Vice Presidential debate in American history, and was the best debate - period - any of us have seen in a long, long time. If it is not reported this way, in detail, the political "news" media should be collectively shoved into a shot-weighted barrel and dropped into the Marianas Trench.

Ryan the 'young gun' is the 'best' they have....LMAO!!!! How fucking sad!!! They don't think much of the American people and show it every time they open their traps.
 
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I'm talking about perception, he looked uncontrolled and uncontrollable, like a belligerent drunk Uncle at your family Christmas party. You have to invite him, but you have to make sure you get the kids in bed before he starts getting too rowdy.

IMO, he looked like they had him so full of stuff to regurgitate that he couldn't hold it in any longer, he tried to get it all out at once.
It's amazing how perception works. Romney's performance in the Presidential debate was exactly idential to Bidens, right down to the smirk and his constantly interrupting. Funny how that's cool but when Joe does the same thing as your guy your butt hurts so much you call him a drunk. Yea...funny how perception works, isn't it?
 
It's amazing how perception works. Romney's performance in the Presidential debate was exactly idential to Bidens, right down to the smirk and his constantly interrupting. Funny how that's cool but when Joe does the same thing as your guy your butt hurts so much you call him a drunk. Yea...funny how perception works, isn't it?

bullshit

this post proves, without a doubt, you are a left wing shill

do tell us how many times romney interrupted obama you fracking hack
 
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