MLB Moves All-Star Game to 80% WHITE city with voter ID laws

[Damocles]

They're free to decline the water, you know...

However, setting up a "water booth" can be a ruse to make it "allowable" (wink-wink) for folks to be within the set perimeter to intimidate voters. The reality is, again, the only people who oppose such laws are either supremely naive as to what can happen (and has happened in the past) or those that want to do those things. I do not believe that you are naive...

 

[Grokmaster]

Colorado voting laws are similar to Georgia's despite decision to move Major League Baseball All-Star Game



Major League Baseball announced that they are moving the 2021 All-Star Game out of Georgia in protest of the state's new voting laws — and it now it is reportedly headed to Colorado, which has some rules that are similar, if not more restrictive.

The Associated Press reported Tuesday that the MLB will relocate the game to Denver’s Coors Field after pulling it from Atlanta over Georgia voting laws. In response, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp addressed the situation, comparing the two states' procedures, saying he is baffled by the decision.

"Georgia has 17 days of in-person early voting including two optional Sundays, Colorado has 15," the Republican governor said. "So what I'm being told, they also have a photo ID requirement. So it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me."

Kemp also said it did not make sense to him that President Biden appeared at the NCAA championship game in Indiana and praised the state, which Kemp said was "the birthplace for the photo ID requirement."

As it turns out, Colorado also requires voters to show identification when voting in person, and the state says that first-time mail-in voters may be required to include a copy of their identification with their ballot.

This is not far off from Georgia, which requires identification for in-person and absentee voting, although Georgia requires proof of identity for all absentee voting. According to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's office, voters without ID can use the last four digits of their social security number, a utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or another government document with their name and address on it.





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THE IDIOTS OF "WOKEWORLD" CONTINUE TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR ASININE MORONOITUDE*.



(*new word. your welcome)

 

[LV426]

However, setting up a "water booth" can be a ruse to make it "allowable" (wink-wink) for folks to be within the set perimeter to intimidate voters.

You haven't explained how offering someone water is "intimidation".

Conservatives can always offer water to people too. Why don't they?

The reality is, again, the only people who oppose such laws are either supremely naive as to what can happen (and has happened in the past) or those that want to do those things. I do not believe that you are naive...

You said earlier that these laws "appear to work"...so if they "appear to work", why are you changing them?

 

[Althea]

It's about voting, not about business or baseball.
It's a highly visible rejection of voter suppression.
That, to me, justifies it.

As governor, Pence signed horrid anti gay legislation. Businesses threatened to leave the state, and he was forced to sign a revised bill.

It works.

 

[LV426]

(*new word. your welcome)[/B]

CO has universal mail-in voting and automatic voter registration.

Georgia does not.

In 2020, only 3% of CO voters cast an in-person vote and that was spread throughout the entire early voting period.

So there were no long lines of voters in CO because 97% of them voted by mail.

You're welcome for this correction to your post.

 

[Althea]

Supreme Court Upholds Indiana Law Requiring Photo ID to Vote




Yup Biden praised this state

Colorado votes by mail. Early voting is almost moot. Further, Colorado did NOT pass legislation that allows the governor to overrule the vote of the people.

 

[Damocles]

You haven't explained how offering someone water is "intimidation".

Conservatives can always offer water to people too. Why don't they?




You said earlier that these laws "appear to work"...so if they "appear to work", why are you changing them?

I have, though, explained why gifts like water are not allowed and how it could become intimidation if these rules were not in place. I have also clearly noted that I can set up a "water" booth (since you would allow it) so I could be there to intimidate folks regardless of what I say my booth is for.... Thus you validate my presence with some official status and I simply use it to do what I want because you would allow me there as I am giving folks water...

Folks who have an interest in the election are not allowed in that area to protect voters from intimidation and other electioneering methods. Period. And these laws are good, both historically and currently.

(Following the voter in to verify that they stay "bought".)

 

[Althea]

Does GA automatically send ballots to all registered voters?
Does GA allow non photo IDs to be used when voting in person?
Does GA allow a voter to use a utility bill as identification?
Does GA allow food and drink to be handed out to persons waiting in line to vote?
Does GA allow persons on parole to vote?

Does Colorado allow the governor the change the outcome of the election?

 

[Althea]

Should the NRA or a Pro Life group be handing out free food and water to voters in line?

If they aren't wearing NRA or Pro Life garb, why not?

 

[Althea]

Colorado has 100% mail in balloting which is what the left wants because checks are useless and codified to be so. And no, Colorado does not have "voter ID laws"... Not unless you believe that a "copy of a bill" is ID and then that would only be looked at if they came in to vote, which is rare as all ballots are mail in.

Before you crap your pants you should talk to somebody who has been an election judge in Colorado and get information.

You must provide ID when you register to vote.

 

[LV426]

I have, though, explained why gifts like water are not allowed and how it could become intimidation if these rules were not in place.

No you didn't actually speak to that.

You just said it was intimidation and you left it at that...you didn't go into how offering someone a bottle of water -THAT THEY CAN REFUSE- is intimidation.

Take me through the thought process there...like, I'm standing in line, some guy comes up to me and offers me a bottle of water. How am I being intimidated there? I can just decline the water.

 

[Damocles]

You must provide ID when you register to vote.

A copy of a utility bill (not the bill itself, something I make a xerox of) is "ID"? I can literally make "identification" and register all over the state without too much effort... I can make something that looks like it was sent to me especially if I get to xerox it afterward... with same day voting the only limit would be how far I was willing to drive to fraudulently vote (zero, I have no interest in voting fraudulently). It really depends on what you call ID.

Also, the only check in CO as to your status as a citizen is a checkmark box on the form. If you don't check it, then you are not allowed to register, if you do nobody can or will ever check to see if you actually are a citizen, as that is illegal...

 

[Althea]

The law does not make it illegal to give folks food, it makes it illegal for a campaign or political entity to give them stuff. It is called electioneering and it really is a bad thing. In the past folks would say that is what they were doing when they were twisting folks arms to intimidate them.

Seriously, this is relatively normal to not let campaigns harass folks at the polls.

Nope. That's not how the law is written

"No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method...or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector.”

 

[LV426]

I have also clearly noted that I can set up a "water" booth (since you would allow it) so I could be there to intimidate folks regardless of what I say my booth is for.

But HOW?

HOW are you intimidating anyone by setting up a water booth?

Take me through the process there, because I don't see it.

You're not forcing people to take any water, are you?

People can refuse your water, can't they?

Thus you validate my presence with some official status and I simply use it to do what I want because you would allow me there as I am giving folks water...

So you think your mere presence is intimidation? That says more about you personally than you think.

Folks who have an interest in the election are not allowed in that area to protect voters from intimidation and other electioneering methods.

But they can just stand 1 inch outside those arbitrary boundaries, so what does banning people from handing out water to folks in line accomplish that isn't accomplished 1 inch outside of the designated zone?

This is why your whole deal here makes no sense...it's all arbitrary and it comes with the very naïve belief that within a certain distance of a polling station, those waiting in line are suddenly influenced and intimidated, but they're not influenced and intimidated 1 inch outside that line.

So the whole thing is bullshit, isn't it?

And these laws are good, both historically and currently.

If they were good, then you all wouldn't be trying to change them.

So this gets to The Big Lie...you claim in The Big Lie that people are intimidated by free water, so therefore no one is allowed free water in line.

That Big Lie is no different from The Big Lie that the election was stolen or that there was widespread fraud.

I don't believe you've come out and said the 2020 election was legit.

That would mean you bought into the Big Lie, and if you bought into that Big Lie, why wouldn't you buy into the Small Lie that water is intimidation?

 

[Damocles]

Nope. That's not how the law is written

"No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method...or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector.”

"within 150 feet of a polling place"... I copied and pasted more of it earlier, adding context.

By taking it out of context you miss out on the important bit.

 

[Althea]

It does not. That is simply not true.

Holmes replied: "No, I'm not. What I'm suggesting is wrong is to suggest that the law does that." He later said, "It very specifically says that it can't be provided by political entities seeking to one way or another influence an outcome of a vote."

It is electioneering that is illegal within a certain distance of the polls, and this is very normal. I'd bet that you have a similar law that makes it so that political entities seeking to change the outcome of votes cannot electioneer within a certain distance of the polls.

this is what the law says:

"(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any

person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give,

or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and

drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any

person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables

or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast

(1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is

The bold is the important bit... You should read the law and not just listen to your favorite leftist pundit.

So, if you are in line 151 feet from the polling place even the electioneers can give you water. If you are within that 150 feet they cannot, but your family member can so long as they don't work for a campaign.

Yes. You should.

 

[Damocles]

But HOW?

HOW are you intimidating anyone by setting up a water booth?

Take me through the process there, because I don't see it.

You're not forcing people to take any water, are you?

People can refuse your water, can't they?




So you think your mere presence is intimidation? That says more about you personally than you think.




But they can just stand 1 inch outside those arbitrary boundaries, so what does banning people from handing out water to folks in line accomplish that isn't accomplished 1 inch outside of the designated zone?

This is why your whole deal here makes no sense...it's all arbitrary and it comes with the very naïve belief that within a certain distance of a polling station, those waiting in line are suddenly influenced and intimidated, but they're not influenced and intimidated 1 inch outside that line.

So the whole thing is bullshit, isn't it?




If they were good, then you all wouldn't be trying to change them.

So this gets to The Big Lie...you claim in The Big Lie that people are intimidated by free water, so therefore no one is allowed free water in line.

That Big Lie is no different from The Big Lie that the election was stolen or that there was widespread fraud.

I don't believe you've come out and said the 2020 election was legit.

That would mean you bought into the Big Lie, and if you bought into that Big Lie, why wouldn't you buy into the Small Lie that water is intimidation?

I've never said it was not legit. Why would I need to say it was legit?

 

[Damocles]

Yes. You should.

I did. You simply don't bother reading the post you quoted.

 

[Althea]

"within 150 feet of a polling place"... I copied and pasted more of it, adding context.

By taking it out of context you miss out on the important bit.

Do you know how long it takes to move 150 feet when waiting for hours to vote? 150 feet applies to any solicitation, campaign sign, or any other political activity. Handing out water is now illegal. It has nothing to do with campaigning. Thankfully, many precincts will not prosecute the law.

 

[Damocles]

But HOW?

HOW are you intimidating anyone by setting up a water booth?

Take me through the process there, because I don't see it.

You're not forcing people to take any water, are you?

People can refuse your water, can't they?




So you think your mere presence is intimidation? That says more about you personally than you think.




But they can just stand 1 inch outside those arbitrary boundaries, so what does banning people from handing out water to folks in line accomplish that isn't accomplished 1 inch outside of the designated zone?

This is why your whole deal here makes no sense...it's all arbitrary and it comes with the very naïve belief that within a certain distance of a polling station, those waiting in line are suddenly influenced and intimidated, but they're not influenced and intimidated 1 inch outside that line.

So the whole thing is bullshit, isn't it?




If they were good, then you all wouldn't be trying to change them.

So this gets to The Big Lie...you claim in The Big Lie that people are intimidated by free water, so therefore no one is allowed free water in line.

That Big Lie is no different from The Big Lie that the election was stolen or that there was widespread fraud.

I don't believe you've come out and said the 2020 election was legit.

That would mean you bought into the Big Lie, and if you bought into that Big Lie, why wouldn't you buy into the Small Lie that water is intimidation?

I think that being present is the first step in intimidation, I even gave you a historical account of past intimidation tactics folks have used. The reality is, even you know that in the past there has been voter intimidation practiced at polling places and the reason for these laws.

And again, I really do believe that you are not naive and therefore I really do believe that the only reason you would want this to be allowed is because you would want to ensure you can do it. I will bet that this part of the law is one that will stand, and I also have proven it doesn't do what you originally stated it does.