Mitt Romney’s Fair Share

Dixie said:
Excuse me... is the thread title about who is and isn't a church??? Because on my screen, it says "Mitt Romney's Fair Share" and I thought that was what the topic was supposed to be. Yes, as irrelevant as it is, many groups claim to be churches and aren't. What the fuck does this have to do with the topic? Whether you think Mormonism is legitimate or not, whether they are a Church or not, has nothing to do with the charitable works they've done worldwide, or Romney's most generous contributions to that. Are you now going to try and claim charitable works don't count if they don't come from a legitimate church that you recognize as such? WTF? Do you CARE about helping the needy or prosthelytizing Atheism?
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Hamas and Hezbollah do a lot of charitable work but they make no bones about the fact that it is good for recruiting new members.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I didn't deny that the Mormons engage in charity but pointed out that it is mostly done to recruit new members and that overall it is small beer compared to the donations that are received annually. The total amount spent worldwide is around 1 billion since 1985 and that is off the Mormon website, yet they have over 5 billion in 'investments' in Salt Lake city, much of which has tax exempt status. In other words the profits go to the Prophet!!
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Again, its NOT "mostly done to recruit new members" in fact, there is very little prosthelytizing done in most cases.

What the Church owns is the Church's business. Their members contribute through tithes and offerings (NOT DONATIONS), and they build churches and missions. The CHARITY wing is a different matter altogether. They receive donations from Mormons and non-Mormons, and 100% of the donations are used to help the needy... they don't even pay administrative costs out of them, that is done through the general fund of the Church itself. Very FEW charity organizations can make the same claim.
 
Dixie said:
No, it's NOT a business. To continue to insist that a non-profit organization is a "business" goes into a level of ignorance and stupidity we seldom see here. And that's fucking saying something, because we see an awful lot of ignorance and stupidity here. I presented a long list of charitable work the church does worldwide... can you refute any of that or not? Romney contributed about 16% of his total wealth to charity... can you refute that or not? Stop trying to switch topics and rail on Mormonism, that's NOT what the thread topic was about.
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See there you go again. Romney does not give it to charity, he gives that to the Mormon Church which is not the same thing.
 
Dixie said:
He has given 16% of his wealth (approximately) to the LDS Charities. That's NOT the Church.
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He is obligated to give 10% at least as a tithe to the Church. As his tax affairs are almost as murky as the Mormons it is not possible to know where it all goes. The Mormon Church has charitable status, as you know, so giving 16% to charity only means that he gives it to the Church which then decides what to do with it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mitt-romney-millions-mormon-church/story?id=15380149#.UEiKgnaH--I
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
He is obligated to give 10% at least as a tithe to the Church. As his tax affairs are almost as murky as the Mormons it is not possible to know where it all goes. The Mormon Church has charitable status, as you know, so giving 16% to charity only means that he gives it to the Church which then decides what to do with it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mitt-romney-millions-mormon-church/story?id=15380149#.UEiKgnaH--I
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Uhm... No, again. He gave it to LDS Charities, a division of the Church. This was in addition to his normal tithes to the Church.

LDS Charities uses 100% of the donations to help those in need... what other charity does that? Name one!
 
The Mormon Church has charitable status, as you know
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No, the Mormon Church has tax-exempt status as a religious organization. They operate LDS Charities, which is a non-profit charity organization. LDS Charities uses 100% of the donations received to help those in need. Romney's contributions were made through Tyler Charitable Foundation.
 
Dixie said:
No, the Mormon Church has tax-exempt status as a religious organization. They operate LDS Charities, which is a non-profit charity organization. LDS Charities uses 100% of the donations received to help those in need. Romney's contributions were made through Tyler Charitable Foundation.
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See, that is patent bullshit as the link I gave to you from the Mormon website attests. They say that they have distributed 1 billion dollars since 1985 yet they receive over 5 billion a year in donations. How do you reconcile those statements?

As I noted in “How atheists (and everyone else) subsidize religion in the United States,” the LDS Church donated a relatively insignificant $1 billion to charitable causes in the 23 year time span between 1985 and 2008, which accounts for 0.7% of the church’s income.
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http://sunsetdaily.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/mitt-romney-and-the-mormon-church/

[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romneys-charitable-donations-mormon-church-2012-7
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Aoxomoxoa said:
I maintain that their charity work is mostly window dressing and disguised recruitment. The Mormon Church is first and foremost a business, almost any fool knows that apart from you. The LDS church now admits that its five billion dollar real estate investment in downtown Salt Lake City was from its 'non profit' side.


http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-07-10/how-the-mormons-make-money

http://www.lds-mormon.com/time.shtml

http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/Mormon-Church-City-Creek-Project-Now-at-5-Billion-Dollars-April-2012
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and how much property does the Catholic Church own?

How much in property to all Baptist Church's own?

How about Jewish Synagogues?
 
Superfreak said:
and how much property does the Catholic Church own?

How much in property to all Baptist Church's own?

How about Jewish Synagogues?
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How many casinos does the Catholic Church run? Do Catholic bishops also act as CEOs of companies? Holy shit, Harry Reid was the head of the Nevada Gambling Commission at one time, for God's sake. Thinking about it, how many Catholic priests and bishops go into politics?
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
See there you go again. Romney does not give it to charity, he gives that to the Mormon Church which is not the same thing.
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Which is 100% bullshit. It is every bit as much of a charity as any other church. You are simply lashing out on a topic you clearly have no comprehension of.
 
Superfreak said:
link us up to whatever story you want us to read.
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You don't accept that the Mormons own casinos, you can't be that naive?

Bill Marriott is the son of the founder of Marriott International, and the current CEO of the company, clearly with power to regulate his hotels. He's also a member of the 6th Quorum of the Seventy, a high-ranking position in the LDS Church. The Marriot chain have casinos, porn and prostitutes in their hotels all of which are specifically banned by Mormonism.
 
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Superfreak said:
Which is 100% bullshit. It is every bit as much of a charity as any other church. You are simply lashing out on a topic you clearly have no comprehension of.
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SF, you really should read the whole thread and not just jump in at the top. I know that the LDS have charitable status.
 
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