Mitt Romney’s Fair Share

Damocles said:
The fact is you stated that they forbid it, they don't but they do counsel against it, then cited an individual who owned a casino as "the church" actually "running" the casino...

And now you provide an anti-'mormon' site to back up your claims. The church doesn't forbid what people in this thread says they forbid, it isn't even something they refuse entry to Temple over (as your own link did say, albeit in a weakly left-handed way). Seriously, bigotry doesn't become you, you should stop while you are behind.

Nobody cares because it doesn't matter at all in this particular political race. It just doesn't.
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Alcohol and tobacco, tea and coffee are all forbidden by the church. Gambling is deeply frowned on but they somehow manage to ignore all the Mormons going to Las Vegas from Utah to gamble and all the Mormons working in the gambling industry. I also very much doubt that they turn away the tithes from those connected to gambling.

Ask yourself why they don't outright ban gambling yet all stimulants are banned.
 
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I pass this sometimes on the way to Scotland, it is the main North West training indoctrination centre of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, perhaps better known as the Mormons.

In an office there is a corporate-type slogan, encouraging members with the words "Let's all work to grow the stake". Stake is the Mormon equivalent for a diocese, a grouping of wards or congregations, which are the equivalent of parishes.

And the parallels with business continue in the training centre. The casual observer might see something of their sales pitch buried in their manner. And at least a small part of their training covers how to deal with British reserve while getting all of the message across.
Missionaries sit in a mock-up of a living room, a camera pointed squarely at their head, practising what they would like to preach on two church members pretending to be receptive unbelievers. The footage is then analysed in adjacent observation rooms.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7227889.stm
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
Because we want to keep it that way, we would rather the loonies stay in their native environment. Unfortunately they are becoming bigger over here and buiding more and more temples.
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But how is that possible, if no one is paying attention to them (as has been suggested by you and LowIQ)?

If everyone considers them to be a joke, then how is it they have the ability to expand their congregation base?

Unless it's a serious threat to the Church of England, which is the OFFICIAL CHURCH of the British.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Why is gambling only allowed in two states and Indian reservations?
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To help sustain the economies of the Indian reservations and those two states. Doesn't really work well for the Indians, but we keep rolling the dice and taking a gamble on their fiscal well-being. Actually, there are plenty of non-tribal casinos throughout the US, but I guess there must be laws which allow them to operate at a small capacity (since they all seem to be relatively small). One trip through the state of Montana is enough to make you think that the state nickname is "The Casino State" rather than "The Treasure State," although I can see how the two might easily be confused, anyway...
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But how is that possible, if no one is paying attention to them (as has been suggested by you and LowIQ)?

If everyone considers them to be a joke, then how is it they have the ability to expand their congregation base?

Unless it's a serious threat to the Church of England, which is the OFFICIAL CHURCH of the British.
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They are relatively small but are getting bigger, as for the Church of England its congregations have been shrinking for many years.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I am trying to point out that most of the US shuns gambling yet the Mormons turn a blind eye to it because of the vast sums it produces for their coffers.
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pretty lame attempt at doing so......have you ever heard of lotteries.......you can't even buy gas without someone trying to get you to buy a ticket.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
pretty lame attempt at doing so......have you ever heard of lotteries.......you can't even buy gas without someone trying to get you to buy a ticket.....
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In the main, people don't spend fortunes on lotteries. I know a bit about lotteries as one time I was in Prague putting in comms equipment on behalf of the US company GTech which runs many lotteries worldwide.
 
Dixie said:
You know, you can keep sitting here spewing vile and hateful insults at Mormon religion all day long, and it doesn't negate a thing they have done to help millions of people in dire need worldwide. Regardless of what their religion teaches, the record speaks for itself with regard to their charitable contribution to humanity, and no amount of trashing and bashing will change that. You can persecute them all day long for what they believe or how they practice their religious freedom, you still won't take away all they have done to help people in need, including their own enemies. You can try and compare them with terrorist organizations, and when that fails and falls flat on it's face, you can revert back to criticizing their rights to believe as they please religiously, it doesn't help your argument or save it from failure.

Now unless you have something of substance to add, you're done here. You've stated your case and I've stated mine, and people can make up their own minds. You regurgitating disgust over what they have a right to believe as a matter of personal faith, is not changing a thing, it's a waste of my time and yours. So just sit back, relax and have a big tall glass of shut the fuck up!
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My goodness, Dixie...and you accuse me of 'spewing'. Let me make one (or perhaps more) final (or nearly final) statements.
The Church of the Latter Day Saints is NOT a religion. Just because they call themselves a religion does not make it so. It is a CULT. It is a cult founded by a con man and a charlatan that has, in a few short years proven what millions of people have believed for ever. That America is THE MOST GULLIBLE country in the world - perhaps with the exception of China which is so similar in so many ways.
The man who presents himself as a pretender to your presidency says he is a bishop (or some such) of that bunch of loonies. This is a man who believes in the stories of Joseph Smith. This man BELIEVES that a pair of cotton underpants possess magical powers. This is a man who gives a tithe to this cult for the sole purpose of extending the reach of its rather silly teachings. It is a con, Dixie. Romney is a con, Dixie and, with total gravitas, anyone with the slightest knowledge of life and the history of religions who takes any of his gobbledegook seriously must be the most gullible, mentally challenged individual to be allowed to roam free.
Now, I KNOW you are not THAT stupid and I strongly suspect that there is not a little trolling in many of your posts. Why don't you drop the pretence and show us the real, sensible Dixie beneath.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
are you sure you haven't confused them with Muslims?.....
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Islam is sensible in comparison. Many of its adherents are crazy but the basic teachings are no more crazy than any other religion. The Mormons START with stupidity and just get worse with every day that goes by.

Why do you defend them?
 
Lowaicue said:
My goodness, Dixie...and you accuse me of 'spewing'. Let me make one (or perhaps more) final (or nearly final) statements.
The Church of the Latter Day Saints is NOT a religion. Just because they call themselves a religion does not make it so. It is a CULT. It is a cult founded by a con man and a charlatan that has, in a few short years proven what millions of people have believed for ever. That America is THE MOST GULLIBLE country in the world - perhaps with the exception of China which is so similar in so many ways.
The man who presents himself as a pretender to your presidency says he is a bishop (or some such) of that bunch of loonies. This is a man who believes in the stories of Joseph Smith. This man BELIEVES that a pair of cotton underpants possess magical powers. This is a man who gives a tithe to this cult for the sole purpose of extending the reach of its rather silly teachings. It is a con, Dixie. Romney is a con, Dixie and, with total gravitas, anyone with the slightest knowledge of life and the history of religions who takes any of his gobbledegook seriously must be the most gullible, mentally challenged individual to be allowed to roam free.
Now, I KNOW you are not THAT stupid and I strongly suspect that there is not a little trolling in many of your posts. Why don't you drop the pretence and show us the real, sensible Dixie beneath.
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The real sensible Dixie thinks, regardless of how you feel about Mormonism, these people do amazing charity work and it should be commended. You've not refuted any point made on that, you just want to bash and rail about their religious beliefs. Well, here in America, we are all free to believe whatever we please, religiously. So that isn't a reason to persecute them, and it certainly doesn't negate what they have done for the needy and those in distress. The more you've spoken, the more you've revealed you are a religious bigot and someone who has no intention of acknowledging religious freedom, or the charity works of people you disagree with. You've revealed just exactly what kind of low-life piece of human debris you are, and that suits me just fine. The world certainly needs less people like you and more people like the Mormons.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Alcohol and tobacco, tea and coffee are all forbidden by the church. Gambling is deeply frowned on but they somehow manage to ignore all the Mormons going to Las Vegas from Utah to gamble and all the Mormons working in the gambling industry. I also very much doubt that they turn away the tithes from those connected to gambling.

Ask yourself why they don't outright ban gambling yet all stimulants are banned.
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Here you claim the Mormons deeply frown on gambling.

Aoxomoxoa said:
I am trying to point out that most of the US shuns gambling yet the Mormons turn a blind eye to it because of the vast sums it produces for their coffers.
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Here you claim they turn a blind eye to gambling.

We see that what you want to do, is denigrate the religious beliefs of Mormons, and nothing more. You want to sit on your little throne and dictate what is proper and improper for people to believe and how to worship, and it's not any of your goddamn business. You're not King Henry VIII, and we didn't appoint you Czar of Religion. So you can stick it where the sun don't shine. They are free to believe whatever they please, it's America, and we are endowed with that inalienable right by our Creator.... not you!

Regardless of what they believe, regardless of how "goofy" you claim their beliefs are, and regardless of how much droning you and LowIQ want to do about their religion, the record speaks for itself in terms of their charitable work. Millions of people have been helped, but that simply doesn't matter to you because they don't believe like you do, they think a different way than you. Unless we all conform to your way of thinking and your personal beliefs, it doesn't matter what good deeds we do, they are simply negated, because in your mind, the bigotry and hate are far more powerful. You're really no different than a sheet-wearing Klansman.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Alcohol and tobacco, tea and coffee are all forbidden by the church. Gambling is deeply frowned on but they somehow manage to ignore all the Mormons going to Las Vegas from Utah to gamble and all the Mormons working in the gambling industry. I also very much doubt that they turn away the tithes from those connected to gambling.

Ask yourself why they don't outright ban gambling yet all stimulants are banned.
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Because you don't take Gambling into your body. You again are attempting to find an inconsistency that doesn't exist. The Word of Wisdom speaks against substances, because your body is the Temple of God. Other religions also do this. Shoot the only religion that ever banned it (that I personally know of) was the Catholics, and then they specifically exempted the fund-raising gambling in their own churches....

The reality is, you've provided misinformation. You've done it purposefully and continue to try to do it after you've found out you are wrong. To me that sounds like personal bigotry towards people of a certain religion that you don't like. I'm good with that, it isn't in me...

Do you think those Catholics refuse to take money from people who use prophylactics?
 
Tommy TuTu's anti-LDS fetish seems strange.

Maybe the Slimy Limey hates Mormons because of this:


BP's CEO Tony Hayward hired Bain Capital to say the company would be better managed if it spent less money.

Bain used consulting BS terms like reducing "complexity".

The oil company then fired 5,000 employees in response to the Bain report.

BP's Bain-blessed, deadly, insouciant cost-cutting was the deadly habit that federal regulators identified as a cause of the Deepwater Horizon blow-out.



http://www.gregpalast.com/how-bain-capital-helped-bpblow-up-the-deepwater-horizon/


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Aoxomoxoa said:
In the main, people don't spend fortunes on lotteries. I know a bit about lotteries as one time I was in Prague putting in comms equipment on behalf of the US company GTech which runs many lotteries worldwide.
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I'm willing to gamble that lottery sales exceed all money spent in casinos in the US....
 
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