Minimum Wage Hike

Supertool is wetting his panties over the wage increase with the crying wolf!
It's been raised a bunch of times with the same pre game pants wetting.
The game turned out different.
 
Rana said:
The dog whistle was the excuse that it will be bad for the economy, cawacko, lol, did I hurt your whittle feelings. ;)
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I'm not that sensitive so no my feelings were not hurt. I just find it funny that I'm dog whistling by bringing up the economy and its cool that Zappa says they want to keep the wage at $9 to minimize any negative impact. What negative impact would that be? Is he doing a some cat whistling?
 
cawacko said:
If economic issues are not a consideration and it is purely political then why not propose raising the minimum wage to $10, $15 or $20? Those latter numbers are a hell of a lot closer to a 'living wage' than $9.
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I didn't say that economic issues weren't a consideration. I said that Republicans were over looking the political aspects of the issues and in the process further alienating demographics they've been giving lip service to trying to attract.

I'm not trying to be partisan here. I'm analysing the political dimensions. Tying the minimum wage to inflation would have little impact on the economy overall but what impact it would have would have probably more benefits than draw backs, at a very small level, and would prevent Democrats from using this as a political tool against Republicans. My conclusion is that from a political standpoint and a pragmatic one Republicans would be wise to do just exactly that becuase as a political issue, this one is a loser for Republicans.
 
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Disillusioned said:
A business in my town, ran close to even with very little profit from the manager, this was a while back when the wage was still 7.15, he had three minimum wage employees, all highschool students. When the wage changed he dropped below the point that he could/would support and sold the business. That area is still vacant. This was from a very small change. How many changes will result from a large one?
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That's what we call in the science dodge "anecdotal evidence". The reverse can be asked too. With the increased revenue spent by working poor from an increase in the minimum wage how many new jobs will be created?
 
cawacko said:
Why $9? That's not going to get people out of poverty. And you said it was a dog whistle to bring up economics so if economics aren't an issue why not go with something closer to a living wage amount of $15 or $20?
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Because it's been a long while since the minimum wage has been adjusted for inflation.
 
The Dude said:
Supertool is wetting his panties over the wage increase with the crying wolf!
It's been raised a bunch of times with the same pre game pants wetting.
The game turned out different.
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lol... so toppy... how did that work out? did it solve the problem of it not being a 'living wage'? or did cost of living increases make it moot to the point that we are now having the same conversation all over again?

My entire point toppy is that it will not do anything to alleviate what the Dems SAY the problem is. You cannot raise unskilled labors wages to the point where they are making a so called 'living wage'.
 
Superfreak said:
lol... so toppy... how did that work out? did it solve the problem of it not being a 'living wage'? or did cost of living increases make it moot to the point that we are now having the same conversation all over again?

My entire point toppy is that it will not do anything to alleviate what the Dems SAY the problem is. You cannot raise unskilled labors wages to the point where they are making a so called 'living wage'.
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It worked for Congress.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I didn't say that economic issues weren't a consideration. I said that Republicans were over looking the political aspects of the issues and in the process further alienating demographics they've been giving lip service to trying to attract.

I'm not trying to be partisan here. I'm analysing the political dimensions. Tying the minimum wage to inflation would have little impact on the economy overall but what impact it would have would have probably more benefits than draw backs, at a very small level, and would prevent Democrats from using this as a political tool against Republicans. My conclusion is that from a political standpoint and a pragmatic one Republicans would be wise to do just exactly that becuase as a political issue, this one is a loser for Republicans.
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The 'benefits' would be almost entirely political. A short term boost to high school and college kids income. Yeah!

You ignore why it is comical to tie the minimum wage to inflation and simply continue pretending it is a 'simple no brainer' for the Reps.
 
Superfreak said:
The 'benefits' would be almost entirely political. A short term boost to high school and college kids income. Yeah!

Superfreak said:
You ignore why it is comical to tie the minimum wage to inflation and simply continue pretending it is a 'simple no brainer' for the Reps.
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Why do you ignore the other 50% of minimum and below minimum wage workers and why isn't it a good thing to boost their income even if it is short-term?
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Dungheap said:
Why do you ignore the other 50% of minimum and below minimum wage workers and why isn't it a good thing to boost their income even if it is short-term?
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I don't ignore them, the fact is most are either part time second income earners, college students, high school students and/or they work in food service where they earn tips on top of the wage.

You are over estimating who would benefit from this. You want to pretend it is single parents with kids struggling to get by. By and large that is not the case.

There are other ways we can help the poor without raising the minimum wage.

Add in the fact that if we are going to use a minimum wage it should be set by the states, not the fed. Let the states adjust for cost of living. Trying to do this at the federal level makes no sense. At the state level it still is not necessary, but this is where it should be done if anywhere.
 
Superfreak said:
The 'benefits' would be almost entirely political. A short term boost to high school and college kids income. Yeah!

You ignore why it is comical to tie the minimum wage to inflation and simply continue pretending it is a 'simple no brainer' for the Reps.
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If it's so comical why has it been done in most of the developed industrial States, including yours?
 
Superfreak said:
Who cares? My guess is that the small business owners who have to cough it up will care.

You are so focused on partisan bullshit that you simply don't care about the greater economic concerns.

You solve NOTHING with regards to poverty or 'living wage' by raising the minimum wage.

The reason tying it to inflation is comical is that it is circular. Which is why we keep having this stupid argument every few years.

If you have:

1) Unskilled labor $7.25
2) low skilled labor $8.50
3) skilled labor $10.00
4) highly skilled labor $15.00

If you raise #1 above by 24%... what do you suppose the other three categories will want?

If wages go up across the board... what happens to cost of goods sold?

If costs of goods sold goes up, what happens to the purchasing power of that unskilled laborer?

If wage inflation spikes as a result and you tie the minimum to inflation... do you see the circular pattern that will develop?
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The minimum wage increased twice during the Clinton administration and those were good times for the country.
 
patriot66 said:
Does that mean my employer will be forced to adjust my pay? After all if you raise minimum wage to that, prices will go up and if I do not receive the same amount of hike they do I am screwed, it will be like starting at the bottom rung again. Low skilled workers will get a huge raise, and higher skilled workers like myself will be screwed.
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If you're a highly skilled worker why do you care if a burger flipper gets another dollar? Most of them don't get full time or benefits and you probably have both.

Sorry but I don't see the connection between your earning power as "highly skilled" and the minimum wage recipient. It's apples and oranges.
 
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